Fuck The Bay Area as the only source for California Cannabis!
I agree....thankfully that area doesn't have special rights and any city in Cali can do the same.
Fuck The Bay Area as the only source for California Cannabis!
HashZ, I've read the bill a couple times and don't recall seeing anything about 215 being grandfathered in, I just searched it again and the word grandfather does not appear.
As GanjaAl's post pointed out, if it isn't mentioned, it doesn't exist, legally anyway.
Hahaah this thread is great. Hash z you should get your own radio show, you clearly have mastered capitalism, politics, and American history, you’re like a stoned Glenn beck. The truth is you have no clue what the scene is around Cali, no clue what so ever. All these things you’re saying exist in your head only, what you think will or should happen mean nothing to real people.
wow seriously a good post with a ton of ideas and opinions. I must say I was illy-educated and still am about 215 and generally was gung-ho on the legalization. But from reading some of the posts I am on the fence now leaning toward no, mainly because I can see the honest opinion of you native cali folks and your inside knowldge because you're right, people elsewhere truly have no clue...
The Richard Lee I know Hides behind Pool Tables with security at his beck-n-call..
So what does R. Lee from "not California' have to lose?
OUR Californian cannabis heritage and State wide FREEDOM
If you are from California let not this foreigner rule the day..
Hey Mr. Lee .. My First Wife had Progressive Spinal Muscular Atrophy and I loved her!
You Are NOTHING on the Disability Scale to me Dude.. And I was there when you said The Central Valley was the Threat to Bay Area Profits!
Cannabis needs to be Grown all over the State to be True Californian! Fuck The Bay Area as the only source for California Cannabis!
vote no because weed smokers belong in jail, i really cant believe people want this to fail, this bill is good enough, we shouldnt be so greedy. prop 19 is a statement,time for change, time to stop prosecuting pot smokers, time for the people to see past the BULLSHIT!
voting no would be a step backwards...
I feel you bro, but honestly, could you point me in the direction of an article with someone doing actual "jail time" for strictly smoking herb? It’s simple possession. Maybe in some crazy town in Texas you get lynched for blazing, but what will a crap ass tax and regulation bill in Cali do for that? Not a damn thing, Texas will still be Texas, and Cali will be Cali. And think about this, if it’s legalized you'll still have to smoke it inside you home, you'll still have rules and regulations to follow, and so what are you really gaining, or trading if you will? Apples for apple juice?
Again this bill is strictly to make marijuana a cash crop. Why do we need that? If they just legalized it, without trying to shape a big business industry around it I'd be clapping my hands.
you forgot to respond to this post so I'll re-up it for you
IF this was a legalization bill I would be all for it. It’s not, it’s a tax and regulate bill, still illegal outside the confines of the bill. So it goes from, use it you go to jail, to, use it and don’t pay tax on it, you go to jail. I’m not down to hand over marijuana to the powers at be, so they can ass fuck it into some weak as crap. Image they cap thc amounts at 7%, I’m not saying they will because I can’t sit on my computer and predict the future like your trying too, the truth is if regulated it’s could turn into a mutant of what we consider marijuana today. All this stuff about "work it out later" doesn’t ring true to me, why rush a bad bill, when there is all the time in the world to do it right. The line " everything in America is tax" that’s a crappy viewpoint, and its kind of not true, weed isn’t right now for 95% of America, so we can surly live without it. The only reason to tax it is to control it, which means regulate it, which means make it illegal outside the regulations. Which means big business is going to run the show, at first you’ll be able to grow your own, but maybe then they will say it’s too dangerous, and you'll be buying it in store but not after 9pm or on Sundays. Can’t you support leaving marijuana the fuck alone? keep it illegal to sell, keep smoking in public illegal, keep driving high illegal, but if you want to grow, grow, if you want to smoke, smoke, if you want to give some to a friend, do it. Even they want to make certain laws regarding permits for growing requiring certain electrical and safe precautions I’m all for that. But there is no need to turn marijuana into a corporate cash cow grown in 100,000sqft factories so they can tax the fuck out of it. I’m sure if I lived in a non-med state I would think its crazy for a smoking not to vote for legalization, but I don’t, I live in California and I know how it is here, and getting arrested for growing or smoking pot is about as far from my mind as possible.
thank you for reposting a post that raises actual points. I dont mind if you disagree as long as you do it with good points like these.
you wont be taxed on personal grows. only on business grows. If it is changed it the future it wont be to take away your growing right. You can brew your own beer. the only reason you cant distill your own vodka without a permit it the huge potential to blow stuff up.
I feel you bro, but honestly, could you point me in the direction of an article with someone doing actual "jail time" for strictly smoking herb? It’s simple possession. Maybe in some crazy town in Texas you get lynched for blazing, but what will a crap ass tax and regulation bill in Cali do for that? Not a damn thing, Texas will still be Texas, and Cali will be Cali. And think about this, if it’s legalized you'll still have to smoke it inside you home, you'll still have rules and regulations to follow, and so what are you really gaining, or trading if you will? Apples for apple juice?
Again this bill is strictly to make marijuana a cash crop. Why do we need that? If they just legalized it, without trying to shape a big business industry around it I'd be clapping my hands.[/CO,LOR]
thank you for being constructive and adding your opinion with out slandering people.
BTW, I understand that our Drug Czar fears that if prop 19 passes in CA that it will create a black market for cannabis. Talk about your unintended consequences! Just imagine what CA would be like if was home to a cannabis black market!!! Think of the children!! Now there's something we should be talking about.
You're welcome. FWIW, I never post anything that attacks or criticizes people, only their ideas and opinions.
But I think this is all going to be a moot point. If I had to put money on it, I'd bet against prop 19 passing. And the repercussions of it not passing will be just as far reaching as if it passed. It will be a major setback to the entire anti-prohibition movement. Legislators who have already or are considering jumping on the legalization bandwagon will have second thoughts. Legislation that had potential will never make it out of committee. What happens this November in CA will affect us all, one way or another.
BTW, I understand that our Drug Czar fears that if prop 19 passes in CA that it will create a black market for cannabis. Talk about your unintended consequences! Just imagine what CA would be like if was home to a cannabis black market!!! Think of the children!! Now there's something we should be talking about.
Mr. KERLIKOWSKE: Well, we know that certainly California is poised to and will be voting on legalizing small amounts of marijuana. And that vote is scheduled for November of this year.
There are a number of studies and a number of pieces of information that really throw that into the light of saying that, look, California is not going to solve its budget problems, that they have more increase or availability if drugs were, or marijuana, was to become legalized. That in fact you would see more use. That you would also see a black market that would come into play. Because why wouldn't in heaven's name would somebody want to spend money on tax money for marijuana when they could either use the underground market or they could in fact grow their own.
So there are a whole lot of good reasons why we don't want to see drugs legalized. And that's why the Obama administration has a very clear and direct opinion on that.