Pure speed

[CraftyApe]

Ok, been doing the auto thing for a while. Had good results, bad results and some just plain odd results but I have had fun. And I think that I have found my muse so to speak.

Dont know that I will ever reach the level that some of our more well known contributors here have reached when it comes to accomplishments re breeding or new strains, but I am going to be making an effort to make a little headway of my own.

The prime goal that I have in mind is speed. From seed to harvest, the fastest consistent results is the aim. Now so far the auto that seems to finish the fastest for me is plain ole LR#2, but I have not grown out nearly as many varieties as several of the folks on the forum. Plus I in the past have only been so so about my record keeping (got to get better). Less concerned about yield or potency at the outset because one goal at a time is enough. I can breed for the other traits after I have a consistent performer that finishes like it has been huffing NOS.

So what I would like is for those of you who have grown out a fair number of varieties to let me know which is your reining champ on speed so far in your experience. Planning another seed purchase and your recommendations will help to shape my decision.

cheers

 

[Mr. Hugeblunts]

I don't remember who, but I believe someone around here had a White Widow SOG that flowered for 60 days. Not a bad time at all IMO

 

[itsaplant]

first you have to find a strain that you can grow and learn its traits then you find speed grasshopper

 

[CraftyApe]

Well the best that I have to date is a seed to harvest 56 days on a LR2 that unfortunately was not pollinated. The ones that seemed to be really maturing fastest I have been hitting with my only documented fastish pollen but I am not more than a couple generations in on the experiment so I cant say that I have accomplished anything to date.
I really need to set up a separate tent, room or cab etc just for the attempt to breed for speed.

That and ideally some of the shining stars in our little auto community will unbutton their lips and give me some recommendations for some genes that are already a touch faster than average....... HELLO? McFly? Hello? heh.

 

[CraftyApe]

Nobody?

I figured that there would be opinions a plenty as to which was the fastest.

 

[Leviathan]

i used to think like you,,''what the fastest'' but u soon realize with autos is that most of them need to go to about 10 weeks to put out there maximum. go with something with auto ak in it, u can pull down autos at day 56 sure but your looking at lowerd yeilds, there is some fast phenotypes i agree but better to just wait it out to week ten if u can make it and get your oucne if your lucky..those 56 day plants are ten gram producers tops on average id say, dont believe the hype.

 

[lowrdr]

those 56 day plants are ten gram producers tops on average id say, dont believe the hype.

they may produce low but its about numbers. get 3 10 gram producers and theres your ounce. get 6 and theres 2 ounces. you get the idea?

plus whos to say they are only "10gram producers" lowryder 2 can yield up and over an ounce if its a large phenotype

 

[Leviathan]

one auto ak roughly one ounce even though in a recent post you were saying that people are pulling 4 ounces of auto which i dont belive, ill say 1.5 is possible, just trying to tell people not to get there hopes up for a decent 8 week auto harvest, hit the search engine on lowryder 2s and look at the yeild plus weeks it grew, u have to remember that some low ryders start flowering at day 18-25, if its 18 days that they show buds that only means on an 8 week harvest that youll have 38 days for budd formation, it really isnt enough even for autos, its just a fact, and if it starts at day 25 well your at 31 days to flower, which certanily isnt enough, and keep in mind that some of your lowryder 2s at day 70 are only going to be 10-15 gram plants.

 

[lowrdr]

one auto ak roughly one ounce even though in a recent post you were saying that people are pulling 4 ounces of auto which i dont belive, ill say 1.5 is possible

i dont really care what you believe lol, ask any exprienced grower how much is possibly to pull off an auto ak and they will tell you. icecoldcrickets may be 1 to ask, ch@ppers will be your best bet as he knows lowlife and knows the plants. just because you have not done it or seen it does not mean its not possible! we shall agree to disagree

 

[Leviathan]

i hope your right about the ak, im not talking down to u , i just havent seen it yet-

 

[lowrdr]

trust me it is possible. is a shame planetganja went down as there were loads of ak47 grows that produced massivly. someone was even working on a 5ft ak47

 

[Leviathan]

thats awsome, i think in the future im only going to use autos with ak in them, i myself went with ''quicker'' autos my most recent run and i feel i made a mistake. did u see the auto ak blueberry grow here yet?

 

[lowrdr]

i had a look yeh.

people need to get away from the idea that you cant get an auto to produce large amounts of bud, because you can. grown well with enough rootspace and the right plant will produce an extremely surprising amount of bud. thats not to say there aren't some auto's that produce pathetic amounts of bud because there are, my blueberry i got stayed tiny! try an ak47 in a large pot and look after her and and see what you end up with, or try easyryder i hear they yield very well

 

[AllStar]

It was a project in my book but i'll never get to it so why dont you try mikado. i know from seed they produce a lot very quick, i wondered why the lowlow companies never tried it.

 

[lowrdr]

leviathan, got a pic of an auto ak47 that i had on my hard drive, i think you'll agree its a big yielder. look at the sofa behind the plant

dont remember who grew it but was a grower from planetganja

 

[CraftyApe]

Leviathan - I know that in many cases the speedy phenos may not be the large ones but one goal at a time. I just want to aim first at a consistent faster pheno. So what I have been doing (with LR#2) is just taking the first to show female preflowers and hitting it with some pollen from a male that was like a premature ejaculator at a porn convention. Heh.
And naturally watching for faster males to show and then setting them aside to collect from once they are ready to blow. Then a bit of inbreeding.

Lowrdr - Agree that it is a real shame that PG went down. I was talking to a lad on there that was pulling 4 oz plus from a line of auto ak's, originally from LL that he had been inbreeding for a few generations and was producing some monster sized pheno's. He was kind enough to offer me some beans and I was taking him up on it when the site went away and we lost contact. Real bummer honestly cause while the massive weight the things were kicking out would be killer.

Anyway, once I am happy that I have managed to get the kind of speed of flowering and finishing that I am aiming for, then I will start trying to isolate the larger ones. Hells bells, I will be happy if I can achieve that goal. For weight I will just go with other peoples work and skull sweat.

 

[Leviathan]

Lowrdr that pic u posted i had seen before n didnt buy it then and dont now, could be anything my friend. and have u read this thread http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=83790&page=1&pp=15 on the mix pack from lowlife, some of the plants going a hundred days and looking quite large while some look so small. the autos that take over 75 days make me loose interest.

as far as the quickest auto like i said dont get your hopes up, your looking at 9 weeks atleast on hundred percent of them but more like ten. u have to remember that if they start flower at 3 weeks and u want them done at 8 weeks(56 days) thats 35 days flower time, its just not enough as ive already said. and if u find that quick male that shows in day 17 but whos pollen is ready for a week later to be dropped and u mate it with a female who showed at day 18 your still going to get most of your autos needing im afraid about ten weeks to fully ripen. and when u wait that long 8 weeks to pull it down and have your 15 grams u could of just used ak-47 and let it go two more weeks and gotten 30+ grams. i say this becuase i just ran some autos and wished i would of went with auto ak, i had the intent like u of a quick finisher, but i learned that it aint really out there, its just marketing hype, my plants got pulled at day 66 and needed a few more days tops. dont forget that all theese autos are somewhat half the same, being that there a lowryder 1 cross, they are what they are.

 

[the.rise]

if thats an autoflower it must have been trained/topped seriously looking at the number of colas coming off that thing.

that brings up a question though, are normal topping/training techniques useful on autoflowers? can you increase yield by having 4 colas on top of an auto or are they only going to produce as much as their root structure develops?

 

[lowrdr]

Lowrdr that pic u posted i had seen before n didnt buy it then and dont now, could be anything my friend. and have u read this thread http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=83790&page=1&pp=15 on the mix pack from lowlife, some of the plants going a hundred days and looking quite large while some look so small. the autos that take over 75 days make me loose interest.

as far as the quickest auto like i said dont get your hopes up, your looking at 9 weeks atleast on hundred percent of them but more like ten. u have to remember that if they start flower at 3 weeks and u want them done at 8 weeks(56 days) thats 35 days flower time, its just not enough as ive already said. and if u find that quick male that shows in day 17 but whos pollen is ready for a week later to be dropped and u mate it with a female who showed at day 18 your still going to get most of your autos needing im afraid about ten weeks to fully ripen. and when u wait that long 8 weeks to pull it down and have your 15 grams u could of just used ak-47 and let it go two more weeks and gotten 30+ grams. i say this becuase i just ran some autos and wished i would of went with auto ak, i had the intent like u of a quick finisher, but i learned that it aint really out there, its just marketing hype, my plants got pulled at day 66 and needed a few more days tops. dont forget that all theese autos are somewhat half the same, being that there a lowryder 1 cross, they are what they are.

leviathan im sorry but it is clear you know NOTHING! you float around here accusing people of lying thinking you know better. well im sorry if you aren't good enough to get a large harvest off an auto and im sorry if the genetics really arent quick enough to suit your high expectations. that photo was an auto ak47, grown in a massive pot under an hps. you will see 1 day that getting such a big harvest is possible but people like you obviously wont believe it until you see it. good luck with your grow

 

[lowrdr]

if thats an autoflower it must have been trained/topped seriously looking at the number of colas coming off that thing.

that brings up a question though, are normal topping/training techniques useful on autoflowers? can you increase yield by having 4 colas on top of an auto or are they only going to produce as much as their root structure develops?

its been lst'd. there are many phenotypes, from small single colas to massive multi cola's, all plants are different and will yield different. have a look around, after all why should you believe me i just post random pictures that could be anything....