Pose2B clone grow by Onavelzy

[onavelzy]

Good, Better, Oops?

Good, Better, Oops?

Late night feeding odds and ends:

The Dubtech7 pot was pretty light today. It dried out as much in two days as it had in 5 d prior to the last feeding. The others were moist but not wet. Rather than let the Dubtech dry out another day, I decided to go ahead and water it. Then, I decided, F' it, and fed them all.

feed details: EC 1.3, pH 5.7. most plants got 5-6 pints with at least a 10-20% run off

Dubtech weighed 1700 g less than 2 days ago and the top was dry dry. The other plants hadn't dried out that much, weighing around 1400g less than after Monday's watering. I think this feed was a day too early for all but the dt7 but we'll see how they respond. Hopefully they won't get all pissy-pouty and act over-watered.

I added the Veg + Bloom Life product for the first time. I had previously been using a different beneficial fungal additive but decided might as well go with VnB 100%.

I also gave a light's out spray with spinosad. That's the first pesticide I have applied in around 4 weeks. It was just a leaf and soil spray down, not a dunkage. I'll hang fresh sticky traps tomorrow to see how many fliers are still around.

Noticed a slight green tinge at the bottom edge of one of the fabric pots. I can conceive of a fungal growth happening but not an algal one. Might look into a copper based anti-fungal to dip the bottom of the plants in at the next feed just in case.

The run off EC is around 1.8 to 2.0. I know it's not a great measure of what's going on deep in the medium but it's the best I've got right now. I'll probably do a light feed/flush at the next watering.

Ok, wanted to put that down for future reference.

Hope everyone has a great day,

Ona

 

[onavelzy]

11 days, one rootlet

11 days, one rootlet

A root! A root!!

Can you all remember back to your first clone rooting? Such a little achievement really, but when it looked like a Round-up slaughter house in there 2 or 3 days ago, I had my doubts.

Clone tray 3/20:

Clones today:

Not exactly a tray full of second comings, but defnitely better than 4 days ago. VnB Push, ftw!?! The clone that rooted is the GG4 that is in the back left. One caution: the Cannabis smell was replaced by a slightly funkier smell so I'm worried something may be brewing. All I can do for now is wait for more roots and get them transplanted when and if that happens.


The canopy in the tent is filling in some:
Group canopy view today

Line-up ID's: Kaya bottom left; GG4 middle and bottom right; Adubb right and upper right; Dubtech7 upper left

Group canopy 5 days ago:

Like i said in a recent post, it's about time I started looking at a flip time. The canopy is currently fairly uniform in height, around 12 inches. They are feeding more but still not that close to the once a day level.

I can keep doing LST until I see signs of more rooting, such as faster water consumption. The available horizontal space is already starting to get used up though. The canopy spreads measure from 17 to 22 inches at their widest. I'd like to keep things closer to a 4x4 overall spread as the light, any light really, will go laterally with only so much intensity. I could supplement with LED power strips but I'd like to see what the CMH can do first

Part of this grow is to see if a single light can pull off acceptable production in a 5x5 space with a single DE CMH bulb. I've read where accomplished growers have done it and do it, i.e. Hammerhead. I'm obviously not in that universe of ability. Just trying to approximate the ones who know what they're doing. Aiming high is what I want to do here.

In my "little victories" concept of success in growing, the spectrum goes like this:
1) Don't kill everything
2) Don't kill most
3) get one or more clones of each strain to survive
4) get a gram of harvestable flower
5) get an ounce of harvestable flower
6) get a pound of harvestable flower
7) Take over SoCal production, secede, and create my own Cannabis state.
8) Go to the Emmy's and sit with whoever has been nominated for performing or producing the most current song about my strains.


Little victories. I'm up to #2 so far.

Ona

 

[onavelzy]

Stranger Danger!

Stranger Danger!

we have a fridge repair person coming by sometime between 12-3. Cool, that's how I like to spend my Saturday off before working all Saturday night: waiting for butt crack man to show up and blow my "security".

I hadn't run the filter in probably a week or more. No one had issues with the smell so no need to run that loud-assed fan to get it out the window. With the door to the room and the kitchen is pulled shut, there's very little odor outside of the room that I can detect. Never hurts to keep anyone we don't know in the dark though. Legal or not, some people just think they're clever little predators and want to rip to see if they can. At least they do in my mind.

I have just been using passive inflow and outflow through the mesh windows of the tent and the times that I open the door and stand there looking, I have been getting temps that had been pretty stable between mid 70's and low 80's with RH in the 50-70 % range, depending on how recently I had watered. If the tent gets above 82, opening the door to the rest of the house drops it 5 degrees pretty quickly. Our house is frigid.

When I turned the fan/filter on, the temps quickly went down to 73 and the humidity dropped to around 50%. I didn't want the space to be cold either so I shut the windows in the room and the temp is edging back up.

The Dubtech 7 was getting dry again, just two days since the last feed. I gave it a full watering. The rest of the plants still had some heft to them so I held off and just gave them all a VnB Push foliar at lights out.

Kind of stressing on transitioning to flower. I'll need to go to multi-feeding I'm presuming. So that means I'll need a collection tray for the overflow. I cojuld probably leave it in the tray and do a shop vac removal. I am sometimes away so there would be times that others would have to do it for me or it would have to sit in the tray until I could. Leaving it to sits raises worries about RH and mold. The alternative is an automatic drain system using a tray drain into a condenser pump and out to a waste reservoir. I'm leaning towards KISS this grow but I've seen the drain system work well in other grows like Aspenou812's Girls Got Skills.

I think I can put together a feeding system. Never played with PVC, pumps, reservoirs, etc before. The approaches I'm considering are Aspen's and the one Dansbud uses. I should have made this kind of decision a long tome ago and had trial runs built and tested by now. Probably money will be spent Sunday.

It's the first mile that I find intimidating or difficult to decide on. Since I'm looking at supplying plants in a 5x5 space, I don't need a lot of volume. But its just a whole lot to do. Get and put together an RO system. Figure out how to get the fluid to a feeding reservoir (hand carry in buckets then pour vs run a line of some kind). Create one of those Rube Goldberg systems that Aspen made while on Trainwreck to mix the feeds, and route the fluid to a manifold and then to the plants. It'll be fun once I'm done with it. I just keep putting doing it off. Kind of like those papers we would do the night before they were due.

No pictures except what I've already posted many times over. To keep the visually driven masses happy, here's some non-grow fluff.

The Pose2b guard dog in camouflage mode.

Figs popping up before leaves. Normal??

Ok, back to trying to disguise my nefarious actions from well intentioned repair folks

Have a nice weekend. May rain here they say.

Ona

 

[onavelzy]

Things Change

Things Change

Forewarning, this will probably end up being a photo dump and data dump for myself to be able to refer to later on. If that's interesting to you at all, dig in. If not, there's always the Funny Pictures thread.

It was a semi busy day for me. I got off this morning, came home to make sure nothing died. After a couple of errands, haircut,etc. i headed off to get a drain tray for the tent. I opted to get the 4x4 that is actually 4x4 at it's widest, not just in the base of the pan. There's a much bigger one with an outer width of something like 4' 6". It was a good choice because the one I got takes up almost all the room in the tent. Moving around to the far corners will be a challenge. Time to start back with yoga classes.

Given how much others have helped me get this grow going, I feel a sense of duty to pass on to others the pearls of wisdom that I have managed to come by. So, if you are ready, here is a vital lesson for every one to learn: A 4x4 tray will NOT fit into a Prius.

Yes it will actually. You just have to want it bad enough. The guy at the hydro store seemed impressed that we got it in the back seat.
It did require a little bending and a liberal application of inappropriate force, but it will go in. There in no way in hell other tray with the 7 inch tall sides would have gone though.

Here is the new bed for all the plants to rest on:

Hard to tell there's 25 sq ft of floor space in the tent, huh? If things spread out at all, it's gonna be a long-assed game of Twister for the next 2-3 months.

All the pots were dry. Driest they've ever been dry. So there must be roots in them pots somewhere.

Here's a couple of pics of each plant and the data I measured when I fed watered today. I fed with an EC of 1.0, pH of 6.1. I used a lighter feed because I thought the plants might need a flush of sorts. The runoff EC for all of the plants has gone up higher each time I have fed. Today, most of the plants had EC's of 2.2 to 2.4. I gave each plant close to a gallon and a half and got them all to a runoff EC of 1.2. Probably could have done it with a lot less water if i used a lower EC to flush.

Adubb in upper right corner, height

Same plant, width

feed info: 15x19"; weight b/a: 2487/4999; EC 2.4>>1.2

Adubb in middle right, height

same plant, width

feed info: 14x25", weight b/a: 2518/5138, EC 2.4>>1.2

Continued:

 

[onavelzy]

GG#4 that sits in the middle of the group, height:

same plant, width:

feed info: 12x23", weight b/a: 2494/4986, EC 2.4>>1.2

GG#4, lower right corner; height:

feed info: 12x20", weight b/a: 2818/4820, EC 2.2>>1.2

getting bored with this. Here's a nice bright bottle brush for variety:

con't

 

[bsgospel]

So your EC is quite a bit higher after sitting in the pots for a bit... Ph higher or lower (either with soil tester or run off?)

Did you take those photos right after feeding? They look pretty flush/fat. On a second look, the new table looks clean(no run off) so the high EC adds up. What medium are you using again? Any limestone for buffering or whatever?

The color on those plants is great but I'm willing to wager based on the EC that your mediums Ph might be a tick low. Another mL/gallon of Cal/Mag might help to keep your mediums pH from dropping, either when they get dry or when N/H+ exchange is high.

 

[bsgospel]

I read it again- you put in 1.0 at 6.1 and it only rose. You're performing an osmotic leeching or exchange of sorts. For coco, don't be afraid to keep the mediums Ph between 6.0-6.3 by flushing with a higher ph (6.7-6.8) and using a constant of nutes (1.2-1.6)

 

[onavelzy]

Kaya, bottom left in the group shots; height

same plant, width:

feed info: 11x21", weight b/a: 2371/5176, EC 3.0>>1.2

Dubtech 7, upper left in group shots

Same plant, top down view:

feed info: forgot to write down anything except the pre-watering weight: 2791. the width was 21". The EC was 18>>12.

The Dubtech has a weird thing compared to the other plants. There are almost innumerable leads along each branch. I don't think my pics show it well. I'll put one up to see.

New growth along one branch of DT7

It looks like some of the pictures that people have put up describing monster cropping. I don't think that's what happened here. The plant didn't have that structure initially. It started after I super-cropped it and when it had that spell where it was starting to have some weird leaf changes and dropped a number of leaves.

I forgot to mention in the first post that I did some LST on almost all the plants. I think that's anbout all I can do because the spread is already filling the ten. I can top the existing tops but, I think I'll hold off for now.

Over in the clone tray, I have roots showing is at least two clones of each of the three varieties I cloned. I wanted to get them into solo cups tonight but ran out of energy. Hopefully, I can do all that tomorrow. I didn't realize until now that I hadn't taking any cuttings of the DT7. I guess I was worried it was in bad shape and therefore was a poor candidate to clone.

I need to focus on getting a watering system in place. I've been saving up some each week to get what I need in one go round. I don't want to be having to get a new part of the puzzle week to week.

I can still haul water for now. I just need to get the various reservoirs, manifold, feedlines, pumps and timers all in the same time-space continuum and playing nice with each other.

I have been asking shop owners I come across if the Floraflex system is any good and if it can be used effectively with fabric bags. I have gotten the sense that some don't know much about it and can't yet give a good eval on it. One guy said it has the drawback of covering up the soil surface, preventing evaporation there. He felt that could increase the chance of waterlogging the plant. He also mentioned that covering the surface limited your ability to check for dryness, pests, etc.

It looks pretty simple though. That's a bad thing, right?

Food for thought for another day.

Sorry this was kind of a dreary, drudgy set of posts. I wanted a record to look back on, fwiw.

Take care everyone,

Ona

 

[onavelzy]

So your EC is quite a bit higher after sitting in the pots for a bit... Ph higher or lower (either with soil tester or run off?)

Did you take those photos right after feeding? They look pretty flush/fat. On a second look, the new table looks clean(no run off) so the high EC adds up. What medium are you using again? Any limestone for buffering or whatever?

The color on those plants is great but I'm willing to wager based on the EC that your mediums Ph might be a tick low. Another mL/gallon of Cal/Mag might help to keep your mediums pH from dropping, either when they get dry or when N/H+ exchange is high.

Hi BsG. Thanks for dropping in. I treasure your compliment as there hasn't been much that has looked very healthy until recently.

I'm using bagged Coco, don't recall the brand. Nothing added to the medium. Sterile culture except for V+B Life, which is their beneficial innoculum. I'm pretty sure its just mycorrhiza (sp?) kinds of stuff and not bacterial, but I never looked it up.

The pics were taken right before the feeding/flushing today. I haven't been feeding out of a reservoir yet. I mixed each gallon, one by one (it took 8.5 in total tonight), so the pH and the EC are set within minutes of the feed. Not gonna keep doing that manual stuff much longer. Plants are getting too big to move our of the tent safely and it just takes forever to do it the way I have been.

I have been allowing the medium to dry out a lot between feeds to promote rooting spread. I think the plants are all now in a daily to every other day feeding level though so I don't plan on drying them as much going forward. That should decrease the progressive increase in EC I've had the last few weeks.

I appreciate your observations and suggestions. I've learned stuff from every person who has stopped in and commented. Please come by again when you have the time, always welcome here.

Gotta haul myself to bed now to catch up from last night's sleep deficit.

Take care,

Ona

 

[bsgospel]

Cheers- the training looks good. Keep it up

 

[cyat]

Nice improvement in the health of your plants!

 

[onavelzy]

Thanks to you and the others who've helped me along.

 

[onavelzy]

Dither and delay

Dither and delay

It's time to do this.

OK. Now that that's decided... Daytime lights or night time lights? I think night time would be better for heat management. The light off during daytime would mean I'd have to be tighter on closing off windows in the room, zippers and portholes in the tent, etc to avoid light leaks. That would make air flow less which could make heat and humidity control harder. Yada yada

It may be better (simpler) to do daytime lights this first run and then build from that.

The plants have each been spread out a fair amount with LST so they are still around 12-14 inches tall from the top of the soil. I don't think they're going to stay that way long. Good number of leads for the most part though.

I'm going to get outgrown pretty quickly if I don't commit.

Here's the top view tonight:

And the side view:

Sorry about the glare.

The plants are clustered kind of close to try to get them mostly under the light. I could pretty much fill the tent if I spread them out to the periphery of the tray.


On the clone front, every plant is alive and showing some degree of roots, some more robust than others.

Kaya roots:

GG4 roots:

No root porn but looks ok overall. The clones themselves look like crap. After that serious wilt when they dried out, most are still bent over like a flock of hunchbacks. I've going to keep dunking the cubes in V+B Push foliar solution while I harden off a bit.

I have this weekend off, so I'll get the tent checked out for light leaks and make my decision on day or night. I'm trying to source some speedfit fittings for the planned manifold. If I can't track them down, then I'll do it the simple Pico way. I just wanted to do something a little different to see how easy or how hard it is and how well it works, even if the fittings are more expensive.

Hey you experts out there, I'm very open to suggestions for watering timers, pumps (size, brand, type, etc), RO systems, and reservoir to plant manifold design if you want to share details of what you use and why you like it

I also need to get the clones up potted and then decide what to do if they all root out. I'm definitely not going to grow all 16 of them. Kaya for sure and maybe the GG4. Probably mother out the strongest of each strain and..., I don't know. I'm gonna have a hard time slaughtering those little rascals after they have fought back like that. It would be easier if I knew they were or weren't legit clones.

I have some seeds in hand and some coming in too that I think would be interesting to do next. We'll see how this flowering thing goes for a while before deciding on repeating clones vs new strains from seeds.

Culture notes: I fed again this morning. Just a quick get-it-done thing before heading to work. I thought they'd be too dry to wait till this evening. Fed at 1.1, pH of 5.7-ish with a smidge of V+B Life in each gallon. Temps and humidity are starting to go up lately. I'm still in an ok range, Tmax was 87, max RH was 75.

Ok, that's enough mind-numbing verbiage. Thanks to anyone who's made it this far.

Ona

 

[Grow Tech]

I've found the biggest cost of RO systems is the replacement filters. I actually tossed the first one I had bought and picked up a new one with a whole set of replacements because it was cheaper than buying replacement filters for my first system

 

[Aspenou812]

You have gotten them healthy... Time to flip Ona.....build a manifold like I use and you can thank me later...... Step into the multi feeds slowly.... Twice a day at first then more as they need it.. you have to build the manifold and test it.... To see how much you should be watering.... All manifolds are not created equally....

 

[MurdaMishou]

Looking GOOD ONA! Them bitches bounced back better than ever! I pondered the same question as you. Light on during day or night time. For this run I decided to run the flower from 6pm to 6am. Just incase it starts to warm up here soon. I will be getting a AC/ Dehumidifier after this harvest so I can run my tents through the summer while the bitches are outside in their greenhouse basking in that natural sun. Cheers from Maine Broheimian Rhapsody!

 

[onavelzy]

Thx all

Thx all

I've found the biggest cost of RO systems is the replacement filters. I actually tossed the first one I had bought and picked up a new one with a whole set of replacements because it was cheaper than buying replacement filters for my first system

HI GT, I think I'll probably end up getting an RO system and hook it up in the sink in the garage. Then I'll store up in 5 g containers and pour into a nute mixing/feeding reservoir.

I was just talking to a person you know, APE. He helped me map out a plumbing design from reservoir to the plants.

I'll look into what RO system to get over the next week or so. It's still a defer-able action, at least compared to some other decisions that need to get handled here pretty soon.

Hope you're doing well. Your Kaya clone is looking stronger and stronger compared to her tent mates

You have gotten them healthy... Time to flip Ona.....build a manifold like I use and you can thank me later...... Step into the multi feeds slowly.... Twice a day at first then more as they need it.. you have to build the manifold and test it.... To see how much you should be watering.... All manifolds are not created equally....

Thank you Aspen. They got healthier, let's say that.

I went out and sourced a bunch of the bare-boned basic Pico manifold type supplies tonight. I plan on mirroring your path from the reservoir to the manifold, including the hand carry from the RO source to the mixing container. It's just the limits of my lay out. I want to ask you some questions about a couple of the details but I want to try some stuff out on my own first. I don't want to be hand held. Forewarned though, knowing my "skills", I'm sure I'll be knocking on your door, Lol.

Looking GOOD ONA! Them bitches bounced back better than ever! I pondered the same question as you. Light on during day or night time. For this run I decided to run the flower from 6pm to 6am. Just incase it starts to warm up here soon. I will be getting a AC/ Dehumidifier after this harvest so I can run my tents through the summer while the bitches are outside in their greenhouse basking in that natural sun. Cheers from Maine Broheimian Rhapsody!

Hey Murda,

Since I posted that, I think I've changed my decision 2-3 times. Hey, is it Spring yet? Forgive me but that comes from someone who lives in a land of eternal Spring.

Anyway, how's the flower coming? you have some nice sounding strains but some good variety too. Looking forward to see how that aspect turns out because of my multi strain grow.

Stay warm, crocuses are coming.

Ona

 

[Grow Tech]

APE is in large part responsible for what the SD scene is today. I was very fortunate to meet him early in my 215 adventure

 

[MurdaMishou]

Ahola from Maine brother! Oooooh they are stacking and packing for sure. The Glue is seriously dominating the trellis! Looking like 15 to 20 solid colas! Seriously has me considering running all Glue in the 5x5 next run.Purple Trainwreck and Blueberry Snow Lotus are doing their things as well. Probably 6-10 solid tops on each. And the CBD Rich Blessings is starting to pack on fruit and shoot through the trellis as well. The only concern I am having is the two Blissful Wizards. They are definitely the runts of the bunch, mutant looking motherfuckers. Also NOTORIOUS for throwing Nanners. Theyre are starting to throw out some pistils and finally stretching a bit. Definitely will be cutting her out of the line up. Too many better more interesting strains could be occupying there spaces. I am going to get some good shots of everything when the lights come on tonight. Pop in and have a gander Ona. Cheers from the 207!

 

[onavelzy]

Next Gen

Next Gen

I transplanted the clones into Solo cups today. There's three Kaya's, five GG4's, four each of the two Adubb plants (Adubb 1 and Adubb 2 in my complex coding system)

i went ahead and used boiling water again to kill any insect vagrants. I used a mesh waste basket to hold the coco. I put that inside a 5g bucket and poured the hot water. Using about 3-4 gallons of water let the coco stay under the hot water for longer and used a lot less water too. Much easier to drain outl, just lift the waste basket out and let the water seep out. Minimal coco loss too, just the powdery stuff.

Dry coco ready to get dunked in boiling water

Coco basket steaming away in the hot water

It was also very easy to squeeze out the excess water after the majority had drained out. Just push down on the top of the coco in the basket and the excess goes out through the holes.

After I had immersed in the hot water for a while, I cooled it down with some water from the hose. I then soaked it for a while in some V+B at about 0.8 EC. After draining that off, I squeezed out the excess to where it just felt moist, not wet, and repotted. Took a fraction of the time that my first attempt did back in February.

I know this kind of stuff is not so interesting to anyone who has gotten past their first grow. It's more for me and for anyone else who stumbles in looking for beginner hints and things to avoid.

I got my daughter to shut me in the tent so I could do a light leak test with all lights on and in the middle of the day. Have to wonder why they didn't put zipper heads on the inside too. It was pretty damn dark. The only leaks are at some of the port holes which I haven't cinched down all the way and at the main door zipper, which is right across from the 8 LED lights I have in the closet over the clones.

I will probably hang a black plastic tarp around the clone area to keep that light away from the tent door. Or maybe move it to a different area. I could also drape black film or dark material over any unused port holes. I have to start looking at active inflow of cooler air now that I have to be more light tight. Right now I mostly rely on passive inflow through the mesh windows and the partially opened door. That won't be an option after I flip to 12/12.

I'll be spending most of today and tomorrow playing around with various tinker toys for a manifold/irrigation system.

I want to get another power strip of LED's up too. Hopefully, some ordered seeds will come in this weekend or early next week. I have some very nice Sativa seeds from ACE in hand I could start out with. I may try something else first though. I thought it might be better to go with strains that may be less challenging and have a shorter growth cycle for my first attempt at seeds. If that other order order doesn't come in this week, I'll go through my ACE's and pick.

Ona