Phylos Bioscience sparks outrage after announcing their beginning their own breeding

[bigtacofarmer]

I am with shaggy. I have always known legalization also meant a coorperate takeover. What has surprised me is how the process has worked. We have people trading stock in billion dollar companies at the same time as it is still a felony in some states. I could go on for days about all the oxymoron shit but most of you know. To me the most mind blowing part. The only people that give a fuck is growers. They are the only ones getting fucked. Consumers do not care. Maybe a little if you explain how its progressing. But most people are looking forward to buying a wal mart 20 sack. Around here distilate pens are so popular. Turns out Im the type of smoker that wants super stanky that stinks up wherever I am at. And I want to always burn something new for my head. Why have the same buzz twice in a row. Turns out there is alot of smokers that do not care if their weed even taste like weed. And do not want stinky. Or trippy. Or really anything a conneseuer would want.

Anyway. The market will chase the money. And the potheads will chase quality.

 

[Drewsif]

Most people today will never eat a tortilla that's capable of molding, or a tomatoe that wouldnt make me personally vomit. Nor did the "Cannabis community" make that tie dye shirt theyre wearing.

Legal Cannabis is not going to be a natural quality grass roots product. Terp hype is guaranteed foreshadowing, it will be perfumed distillate. Half the country are "non-tasters" with no gag reflex or natural poison response, and associate flavor exclusively with scent. They smoke perfume in the southwest. Its disgusting what's happened to Cannabis. You cant even sell ugly strains that reek proper and taste like royal cake frosting, but you can turn moldy trim into Grade A distilled bullshit that tastes like Dr Shoals shoe spray.

You cant make sense of it.

 

[Fermented]

You don't have to be a dippy hippie to realize that it won't take long for corporate cannabis to "convince" politicians in power with bags of money or jobs when they get voted out to pass laws that will criminalize or in some way prevent personal growing to make it "safer" for the public....or will it be simply like beer, where 99.9% of it is produced by big (or those aspiring to be big) companies and making it yourself at home is rare?

 

[White Beard]

I know some don’t favor this, but the only thing that can derail your projection is for growers to unite, organize, and push their way into representatives’ offices - speak with one voice, make sure the important things stay on the table, show up to hearings, get cannabis users onboard for a smoke-OUT, a National t-break in support of traditional growers and better cannabis...(hit ‘em in the tax revenue).

It’s not as immediately satisfying as saying “FUCK YOU!!!” to the man, but it usually involves fewer arrests and beatings.

 

[CosmicGiggle]

.... something like an individual cannabis growers lobby, it'll take Big Buck$ to compete with the Big Boys, easier and more satisfying to screw 'um by remaining in the closet.

 

[shaggyballs]

Or we could vote no to bullshit legalization laws we dont agree with in the first place.

 

[I'mback]

Getting a foot in the door is a start. Crying over spilt milk won't do diddly for you, with the exception of raising your stress and blood pressure. Chill dude and light one up.

 

[White Beard]

.... something like an individual cannabis growers lobby, it'll take Big Buck$ to compete with the Big Boys, easier and more satisfying to screw 'um by remaining in the closet.

Well, we’d be fools to try to compete with them dollar for dollar, but while it WOULD cost something, it’s important to be within shouting distance when we yell “BAD IDEA!” at them.

Number of supporters can make up for number of dollars, and a national smoke-out weekend in support of small growers and growers’ rights and better weed would definitely get their attention.

 

[shaggyballs]

Not crying over spilled milk,just trying to keep folks from making the same mistake over and over again.
We could do so much better than the scraps they are tossing us.
If you are good with scraps they hey, but not me.

If you are trying to get their attention boycott all pot stores that will surely get their attention.

 

[I'mback]

The only problem is that you are sounding like a broken record, each day a new twist. There is no pie in the sky. Just delusional thinking! BTW I'm a glass 1/2 full kind of guy.

 

[White Beard]

Eyes on the prize, y’all - that’s all

 

[shaggyballs]

What exactly do you find delusional?

1. Thinking people should be accountable for their actions?
2. Wanting legalization that is for the people?
3. Thinking people should stay informed of the plans big canabiz has.

I guess to you that may be delusional, but hey, to each his own.

I know I know, just comply already shaggy.
Your complience will be rewarded.
You keep playing the same song over and over too you see.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

The only problem is that you are sounding like a broken record, each day a new twist. There is no pie in the sky. Just delusional thinking! BTW I'm a glass 1/2 full kind of guy.

They will ban you from the plant and charge you 20 a gram for shwag if we let them. Do not kid yourself.

Now that banks are allowed to work with them expect a much larger effort eliminating black market competition and regulating as much of the competition out of business as possible.

 

[White Beard]

They will ban you from the plant and charge you 20 a gram for shwag if we let them. Do not kid yourself.

Now that banks are allowed to work with them expect a much larger effort eliminating black market competition and regulating as much of the competition out of business as possible.

I don’t think we’re kidding ourselves or each other here, and nobody’s talking about “we let them”. NOT letting them depends on making them listen, and making sure we’re talking sense while they listen.

The banking thing is still in Congress and not at all worked out yet; LEO activity in your area will probably remain consistent, no matter how things proceed.

You know I’m not messing with you, Shagg: I *am* curious about your ‘elevator pitch’, your 30-sec cannabis activism platform...care to share?

 

[CaptainDankness]

You don't have to be a dippy hippie to realize that it won't take long for corporate cannabis to "convince" politicians in power with bags of money or jobs when they get voted out to pass laws that will criminalize or in some way prevent personal growing to make it "safer" for the public....or will it be simply like beer, where 99.9% of it is produced by big (or those aspiring to be big) companies and making it yourself at home is rare?

They're never going to stop us from growing for personal use. They'll probably make it difficult to start a business growing weed and selling it though. I can grow my own tobacco though it seems to be difficult to become a cigarette company since their are not many.

Micro breweries are everywhere though and with weed the cost of the greenhouse will be pricey but after set up it doesn't cost much to grow weed as long as you don't use bullshit nutrient companies like Advanced Nutrients. Lol

The biggest problem is going to be the 3rd world nation's, you can definitely grow great weed in Columbia and labor is cheap. Also even in Amsterdam to this day they have import hash on their menus once legal to trade the quality will end up getting better and the price will go down.

But fuck it, it's going to be what it's going to be, I'm just thankful to own enough land I will always be able to make a living farming and will be happy to purchase Indian Charas, Morrocan and Afghan hash.

A clone only mail company would be great too. Kind of bugs me seeds are federally illegal yet we have American seed companies selling seeds, are clones really that much of a difference? It's the same charge federally if it's only a 6 pack or so I know I'd be willing to pay more if the company was reputable, especially if they had them tested for terps and cannabinoids pictures and reviews. Be great to get exactly as advertised.

It's going to happen regardless, so be it all the douche bags will puff their pussy sticks. I'm going to be smoking the best hash from around the world along with my home grown garden of the dankest clone onlys in the world.

The only downside I see is sure some people are going to make billions of dollars, already are really. Yeah, pens are popular, Budweiser is popular, but I don't have to be like the majority, this is America!!!

 

[CaptainDankness]

They will ban you from the plant and charge you 20 a gram for shwag if we let them. Do not kid yourself.

Now that banks are allowed to work with them expect a much larger effort eliminating black market competition and regulating as much of the competition out of business as possible.

LMAO, no they won't. The black market will never go away if that happens. Don't kid yourself.

 

[Drunken Buddha]

The only downside I see is sure some people are going to make billions of dollars, already are really.

A small concern when the environment might continue to downgrade exponentially. The rich clowns will be stuck at the same circus and have nowhere to enjoy their billions.

 

[White Beard]

Dying last seems to be their big game....

 

[CosmicGiggle]

Dying last seems to be their big game....

..... not all bad, at least shaggy's come around!

......So you are thinking there are some undiscovered/unnamed cannabinoids?

That very well could be the ticket my friend.
A thc enhancer so to speak, I like the way you think.
They will soon or (are already) be ripping this plant apart to find out how it works.

Interesting times no doubt!

It would be nice if small growers could co-exist with big AG.
But you know how it goes.....

 

[Chimera]

https://www.cannabisbusinesstimes.c...e-resign-phylos-bioscience-cannabis-breeding/

Robert C. Clarke: Why I’ve Resigned From the Phylos Bioscience Scientific Advisory Board

In the wake of Phylos Bioscience's breeding program announcement, a close look at the headlines' impact.

June 26, 2019
Robert C. Clarke

Editor's note: Robert C. Clarke, cannabis researcher and Cannabis Business Times columnist, shares his thoughts on why he resigned from the Phylos Bioscience Scientific Advisory Board in the wake of the company's announcement to start a breeding program. As the news prompts conversations about cannabis genetics research and intellectual property protection across the industry, Clarke wished to make his thoughts public.


This short message marks my resignation from the Phylos Bioscience Scientific Advisory Board. In recent weeks it has become increasingly apparent that we no longer share the same research goals, and I am very sorry it worked out this way for all concerned.

I support Cannabis science on many fronts, and I will continue to push Cannabis science into the forefront. Exploring and understanding the genome are key steps in realizing the great potentials of Cannabis and many other crop plants. Those who believe in progressive science accept that the study of inheritance is important to the future of developing successful cultivars, and that genomics offers extremely valuable tools. Research concerning the Cannabis plant has largely been ignored by governments and in turn academic institutions, and the responsibility for cannabis-related R&D now lies firmly within the private business sector. Businesses aim to make profits, and this core motive will drive cannabis science for the foreseeable future.

Members of our cannabis community chose various paths in relation to Phylos Bioscience. My decision to engage was based on scientific interest. Many of us assumed that Phylos would follow its somewhat predictable economic path towards becoming a variety breeding company and nursery. Therefore, I did not supply the company with live seeds, as live seeds were not needed for its phylogenetic research anyway. Others chose a different path and intentionally aligned themselves with Phylos, providing the company with their cherished varieties with the hope of assisting it with commercial cultivar selections and eventual breeding projects. Others formed differing relationships all with the best of intentions, just trying to do the right thing.

Then, Phylos changed its public face and insulted the community whose trust it had garnered by suddenly providing duplicitous explanations of its varied intents. Its actions raised simple questions: “Is Phylos working for me, the boutique grower, by protecting my hard-won heritage with their Galaxy? Or, do they have a hidden agenda?” Most insulting was Phylos discounting the crowd-sourced science and personal initiative that produced our amazingly diverse Cannabis cultivars. Without the international culture of clandestine cannabis growers and breeders, Phylos and other Cannabis genomics companies would have little space to occupy today.

My personal disappointment, which is shared by many whom I persuaded to submit samples, is that Phylos was unable to carry out the science it initially planned. Corporate interests ruled and their basic research was delayed. Driven by scientific curiosity, we all looked forward to the possibility that DNA sequencing might add to our phylogenetic knowledge and shed light on the history and relatively recent domestication of present-day cultivars. Many took an interest and we solicited samples primarily of landraces from foreign sources and their very early hybrids – the exotic building blocks of modern sinsemilla cultivars – especially samples that pre-dated or were isolated from the rampant spread of “Dutch” seeds. About half the samples submitted with this intent were sequenced and added to the Phylos Galaxy the optical results to be shared by all. Should the task be completed one fine day, we may then realize the insights we all yearn for.

There exists a persistent yet nebulus feeling amongst members of our community that raw Cannabis genome data is of great value, and possibly someday it will be of great value, but to say that data Phylos collected from donated samples is of great value would be speculative at best. There is great anticipation surrounding the advances in variety improvement that will be made using the potentially powerful tool of marker-assisted breeding to isolate the genes for rare traits. Marker-assisted breeding relies on phenotype data characterizing the plants the genomic data is collected from. It is difficult to find genetic markers for a trait in the absence of a plant that expresses that trait. Without phenotype data the genomic data is debased and of less value to variety development research. This is why genomics companies will all end up either growing their own plants and collecting their own genomic data (or contracting someone else to do it for them) to support their variety improvement programs.

As a technological species we rely heavily on science, yet many in today’s world doubt its veracity and honesty. Phylos bridged the divide between the cannabis community and rigorous science and made that science accessible and compelling to many. And then it torched that bridge. Not only were people disappointed by Phylos—Phylos discolored its feelings about science as well. However, those who distrust the alliance of science and industry have much more powerful and potentially evil companies to fear, and we should all come to grips with the emotionally sensitive issues surrounding how we feel about the inevitable influences of agribusiness impinging on our futures.

In closing, I must add that I find the behavior of some members of our cannabis community quite disappointing. Scanty information concerning sensitive topics can prove a dangerous thing, and it is far too cheap and easy to point accusing fingers through the hazy smog of the Internet. Once again, well-meaning people are being dragged onto the smoldering pyre of conspiracy theories by rabid cannabis reactionaries unfairly accusing them of collaborating with an imaginary enemy. Most of those chased by the lynch mob of unfounded public opinion survived decades of prohibition, devoted much of their lives to pushing our knowledge of the Cannabis plant to new limits, and remain dedicated allies of our favorite plant to this day. Taking them to task over problems created by Phylos is additionally disrespectful of our community. Do you support such allegations, or do you prefer that logic reassert itself?

All I hope for is that lessons will be learned by all involved, and that Cannabis-based science will proceed hand-in-hand with both successful business models and heightened social awareness. Science marches on, so let’s make the best of it.