Panama

[dubi]

Very accurate description Bear Riot Thank you so much for take the time to share it, you really explained very well the terpene complexity of your samples. I'm glad you are enjoying it

yesum, thanks also to you for adding your insights too

Terpene, can't wait to see your panama resinous hybrid at the end of flowering

Thanks all to make this thread a great report of this amazing pure central american sativa bred.

 

[recent guest]

Very accurate description Bear Riot Thank you so much for take the time to share it, you really explained very well the terpene complexity of your samples. I'm glad you are enjoying it

yesum, thanks also to you for adding your insights too

Terpene, can't wait to see your panama resinous hybrid at the end of flowering

Thanks all to make this thread a great report of this amazing pure central american sativa bred.

Thanks Dubi, I was starting to think that we'd never hear from you again.

I wanted to ask about the recent reproductions of feminized Panama seed, was a purple phenotype reversed to make S1's?

 

[JACKBAYBEH]

That was an inspired smoke report Bear. Enjoyed it very much.
Looks like I need to add Panama to the list along with Bangi Haze,
PurpleHaze/Malawi, and Zamaladelica lol.

 

[Terpene]

12 weeks to the day, the Napalm x Panama cross is all finished off. Here's a shot of both sides:

Panama leaning

Napalm leaning

I'll report back and let you know how it smokes in a week or so.

 

[JACKBAYBEH]

Cheers Terpene
That is a very nice looking Sat dom cross you've made there.
How did the straight Napalm smoke? Were you trying to improve on certain traits of the Napalm by crossing to the Panama?

 

[recent guest]

starting my day with two panama bowls, floating off to work

 

[Terpene]

Cheers Terpene
That is a very nice looking Sat dom cross you've made there.
How did the straight Napalm smoke? Were you trying to improve on certain traits of the Napalm by crossing to the Panama?

Not really trying to improve the smoke so much as playing around. (Though Panama added to anything is an improvement, I love Panama)

Napalm (Fire OG x Destroyer) is already pretty solid smoke. I was teaching a friend to make his own beans and he selected the plants for the cross based on how much he liked the two lines.

The smoke from the cross is exactly what you'd expect, a little energy from the destroyer with a somewhat OG buzzy high and that feel-good confidence from the Panama. I haven't had time for curing, but so far, I dig the resulting flowers.

 

[guy fawkes]

Here is a smoke report on Panama I just compiled for another thread, thought I would post it here. Grow this strain, period, end of story.


IDENTIFICATION
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Date: 5 - 8 -14
Strain: Panama (Red Phenotype)
Judge: Bear_Riot
Breeder: Ace Seeds
Grower: Bear_Riot!!!

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PHYSICAL EXAMINATION
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1. Visual Appeal: Rate the visual appeal of the buds from 1-10 unappealing-excellent. 8-9

This is great looking dry marijuana. In terms of Bag appeal, it is the second prettiest strain I have grown, the only one that ranks above her in this category, that I have grown, is NYC Diesel, and I honestly and objectively don't think I've ever seen nicer looking bud than that, if I may say so myself which I may, so, all in all, top notch. Great trichome coverage and a profusion of red hairs, from a distance this is a darker jar, you might not say 'Red' but definitely not a wholly traditional looking green herb.

(one interesting thing to note is that I left the plant outside after harvesting all but the lower two branches. In 55-60F night temperatures, the buds on those branches purpled up to a beautiful light lavender tone, so maybe in a cooler greenhouse, she will produce some purple! Get yourself over to my greenhouse thread!)

2. Visible Trichomes: Rate the visible trichome content from 1-10 none-totally covered. 9

I think any sane person would conclude that trichomes/crystals are totally covering these buds.

3. Use an X to indicate the colors that are present in the trichome heads under magnification or list the percentages of each color for a more precise report.

Clear [ ] Cloudy [x] Amber [ ] Dark [ ]

After a bit of cure, only amber, nice light colored trichomes.

4. Mark with X the colors that are present in the buds or for a more detailed color analysis rate presence on a scale 1-9 light-dark.

Brown [ ] Green [x] Gold [x] Blue [ ] Grey [ ] White [ ] Red [x] Rust [x] Orange [x] Purple [ ] Black [ ]

5. Bud density: [5] Rate the bud density from 1-10 airy-dense. For samples that are not in their natural state leave this field blank.
Right in the middle of the road. If the Oldtimer's Haze in this grow is a 1, about as airy as you can get, Panama sits at about 5. The bud is nice and compact, but there is air space too. Normal is the word.

6. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the aroma of freshly broken bud where a one indicates a subtle presence and 9 indicates a pronounced presence.
Delete the existing space when marking a descriptor in order to maintain the columns in alignment.

Earthy [2] Berry [2-3] Floral [5] Fruit [5] Hash [4]
Musk [2] Spice [2] Nutmeg [1] Strawberry [3] Lemon [7]

The sweet side of the cannabis spectrum. Not a citrus 'bite', as I have noted, but rather a warm, lush, and smooth ripe lemon overtone with definite floral berry reminders, and backgrounds of exotic spice, incense, and egyptian musk. The cure is bringing out stronger smells in almost all categories, but when the jar is opened, and it often is, I usually find myself expressing out loud how awesome it smells, even if I'm alone. It just needs to be said.

7. Aroma [8-9] Rate the aroma from 1-10 repulsive-delightful. Use freshly crumbled bud for best results.

Top notch. I grew out a chocolope dominant pheno of C99 x Chocolope that I doubt will ever be beaten in the smell dept., this jar definitely ranks in the same league though.

8. Seed content [0] Rate seed content from 0-10 none-fully seeded.
Not a seed in any of the bud from this grow, I think the Frost Monster nanner was impotent.

9. Weeks cured [2] If known enter the number of weeks your sample has been cured. If desired repeat SSR after an additional two weeks of curing.

This shouldnt be news to anyone but the cure is making this herb smell better and better, and the high nicer all the time. The problem is I don't think I can save this from myself long enough to give it a proper cure.

PHYSICAL EXAMINATION COMMENTS:
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THE SMOKE TEST
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Address these questions while smoking.

...looks like I have to smoke another bowl. Well, if I HAVE to

1. Please use a clean instrument for the evaluation. Enter information below that will identify the instrument as follows:

Water pipe (enter bong, hooka, bubbler etc) [ ]
Vaporizer (enter the brand name) [ ]
Pipe (size-type, ie medium-glass) [x]
This is my homemade pipe/water pipe. I used three different length pieces of copper pipe, 1'', 6'', and 24'', connected by three 90 brass coupling elbows. A 'Y' valve functions as the carb, letting it clear quickly, and that connects to a common brass garden hose nozzle that functions as the bowl. Each bowl gives three 'milky' full hits, despite its small size, and maybe a couple of residual pulls. It is a highly efficient piece of equipment, and its not going to break, ever. You can change out the bowl, and there are different types of brass hose nozzle with different 'bowls', and they are $7.95 at the hardware store, and I can find new parts anywhere in the country. Then theres the fact that this pipe can be taken apart and look it looks like components of an irrigation system, slick sh*t. Then theres the fact that I can alter the size/capacity of this thing to anything I want. I could screw a regular garden hose onto the end of it and make it into a 100 footer.

It is called The Bamboozler.

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Now you see what this Panama is doing? I can't stop talking!

Joint (enter brand of papers) [ ]
Other (specify):

2. Use numbers 1-9 on descriptors that apply to the taste where a one indicates a subtle presence and a nine indicates a very pronounced presence.
Delete the existing space when marking a descriptor in order to maintain the columns in alignment.

Earthy [2] Fruit [8] Hash [6] Citrus [9]
Spice [2] Nutmeg [2] Strawberry [7] Lemon [9] Menthol [4]

The smoke is surprisingly close to the smell, which is very cool. I put '6' for Hash but thats not quite the taste, its more of a thick, oily background. Not acrid, not bitter, but sweet, floral, lemony, and more berry with a 'thick' feel to it. Very good for just 2 cure weeks. Nice on the exhale, and so smooth I only cough on the BIGGEST of hits, which, it turns out, adds to it's deceptive nature. This is the only bud in the collection I have at the time of this report that I can most definitely smoke too much of. Thats rare for me.

If appropriate return to this question after 5-10 minutes and mark
with X any unmarked descriptors for lingering aftertaste.

3. Taste [9] Rate your impression of the taste from 1-10 unpleasant-delicious.

4. State of dryness [5] Rate the dryness of the bud from 1-10 wet-dry where 5 is ideal.

I use a humidity monitor inside of the jar, and for this stage of the curing, I keep the jar at 65% rh. I have brought it down as gradually as possible from a beginning rh of 75% right after jarring. No mold and no spoilage.

5. Smoke ability [10] Rate the smoke ability of the sample from 1-10 harsh-smooth.

A very positive sticking point for this herb, its well velvety.


6. Smoke expansion [ ] Rate how the smoke expands in the lungs from 1-10 stable-explodes.

Im sorry but I have no idea what this means. I don't burst out coughing, like I said, very little throat pain, easy to hold a hit in. Too easy.

SMOKE TEST COMMENTS:

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FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS
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Address final questions immediately after effects have worn off.

1. Dosage [3 or fewer] Enter the number of hits taken to reach desired effects.

All winter I had not much to do and was smoking two, sometimes three 110 millimeter joints a day, each was over a gram, and I can get, LIKE NOW, way way high from just finishing one bowl out of the Bamboozler.

2. Effect onset [5] Rate how quickly the effect hit from 1-10 immediate-major creeper.

I don't really notice it to be either. Maybe a little more creeper than quick, I usually start packing another bowl and then don't smoke it. Another positive of the Bamboozler is I can set it down and it solidly holds a packed bowl.

3. Sativa influence [8-9] Rate the sativa influence detected from 0-10 none-extreme. Sativa influence is best described as a clear and energetic mental effect.

Now we get to the meat of the thing. This is a pure Sativa, plain and simple. An experienced sativa connoisseur would not mistake this for a hybrid. You are awakened and uplifted, motivated and talkative. That said, I put 8-9 because there is a drifty, disoriented, dense effect to the high that is totally enjoyable and not to be confused with a lethargic Indica stone.

The breeders describe the high of the Panama Red phenotype with that adjective, dense, and once you smoke it you know exactly what they mean. They also said once that is was far from being a 'dirty' sativa, and once you smoke it you definitely get that, too.

4. Indica influence [0] Rate the indica influence detected from 0-10 none-extreme. Indica influence is best described as a sedative,
lethargic or numbing effect that affects the body.

5. Potency [8-9+] Rate the potency of the sample from 0-10 none-devastating.

As I have made clear, I have plenty of smoking experience and this does the trick and then some.

6. Duration [2+] Indicate the number of hours the effects lasted.

7. Tolerance build up [4] Rate how quickly tolerance builds from 0-10 none-rapid. Leave this field blank if you have not used this sample repeatedly.

Im going to wait to pass judgement on this, so far, its still getting me high as hell.

8. Usability [check] Rate on a scale of 1-9 where a one indicates the worst time of day to consume this strain and a nine represents the ideal time of day.
Leave field(s) blank if you have not yet formed an opinion.

Morning - wake up [7] Day - work [6] Evening - relax [6] Night - sleep [3]

This is the herb that I am smoking in the mornings. It works then, its fine while I am working, and its has a surprising relaxing quality to it, I heard someone say 'sensual', thats accurate. Its a sensual, warm, happy, and very floaty sativa. Not for bedtime for me.

9. Overall satisfaction [8-10] Rate your overall satisfaction from 1-10 poor-Holy Grail.

Wasn't planning on keeping this plant because she has a mutated leaf that shows up about 1 out of every 10 leaves the plant grows. Its got a twisted tip and a variegated yellow slash pattern, not yellowing from deficiency, but like a patterned leaf. I'll try to get a photo.

10.Ability and conditions [7-8] Rate your overall ability to judge from 1-10 low-high. Consider experience, strain familiarity, atmosphere,
current tolerance and most importantly the condition and preparation of the sample.

I feel pretty seasoned despite being on the younger side, there are definitely many more experienced IcMag members, but I hold my smoke for sure. I definitely qualify as a daily smoker. I definitely qualify as a weed head, and I qualify as a connoisseur.

11.Judging from the sample alone do you personally consider this
strain a keeper for long term use. Yes [xxxx] No [ ]


The Panama Red effect:

An uplifting, dreamy, expansive floating sensation, sometimes experienced as a physical euphoria. Produces feelings of warmth and positive energy/thoughts. Creativity and abstract thought are enhanced. I have no experience with this strain in social situations, but I imagine it to be functional, perhaps inducing laughter. In higher doses there is an almost out-of-body effect that could be considered a form of trippyness, a twist on most the classic psychedelic sativa effect. I have no problem reading, and when smoking Panama I tend to be very highly focused on whatever im doing, sometimes completely absorbed in mundane tasks like dishwashing and pulling weeds. Tactile experience is enhanced, along with visual richness and color intensity. Late evening sunset glow quality to the world of Panama. A neat feature of the effect seems to be that my short term memory is not nearly as impaired as it usually is, which is one reason I believe the high could be quite socially functional. As yet, I have not found a 'limit' to Panama, I invariably stop smoking before it stops getting me high.


Conclusion:
Panama is a winner strain, excellent to grow and smoke. This pheno goes above and beyond by being exceptionally beautiful and exotic as a plant and in the jar/bag, because of it's highly unusual pink pistil.
Thank you to the Ace Seed Company, saludos
Thanks for reading!

Thats it, ive been humming and arrring about buy a pack of these for the past year, i posting cash of today.. i need some of this in my life

epic smoke report mate!!

 

[recent guest]

I doubt you will be disappointed!

Here is mine, a clone of the plant that report is about. She is being grown in about 150 gallons of FFOF soil, half new and half used but enriched with compost, worm castings, guano, seaweed and crab/fish meal. She should reach a good size by the time flowering begins. Yield from this strain is very good in good conditions, with this much veg it should be a bit over the top, just the way I like it!

See, this part of the greenhouse is where all the 'red' flowers go.

 

[recent guest]

12 weeks to the day, the Napalm x Panama cross is all finished off. Here's a shot of both sides:

Panama leaning
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Napalm leaning
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I'll report back and let you know how it smokes in a week or so.

Terpene, I definitely see the Destroyer influence in there, having just finished a run with several Destroyer crosses myself. I like Destroyer's influence, seems like the high quality high comes through two out of three times. Next seed run both Destroyer and Panama will definitely be involved. Im thinking a threesome with Destroyer, Panama, and Malawi.

 

[dubi]

more pics of my Panama at day 45...

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Excellent AceHaze, the good pinkish phenos are indeed like the one you have posted Great find! The smell is lemony incensey like some kali mist could be.

 

[dubi]

Here's one going on 18 weeks, sorry for the bad pic. My opinion is that there are no indica in this.
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That's a good 'microphone' RandyCalifornia How is the taste and effect ? It very rare to find such long flowering expressions in latest panama releases although possible.

Last standard reproduction was quite open pollinated including very different parental plants from different lines and years, to keep the vigour and the chances to find the different good phenos this strain has to offer.

 

[dubi]

Thanks Dubi, I was starting to think that we'd never hear from you again.

I wanted to ask about the recent reproductions of feminized Panama seed, was a purple phenotype reversed to make S1's?

Hi Bear Riot,

Hopefully i can find more time this weekend to answer all your doubts.

The last panama feminized reproduction was not an S1.
To produce the current feminized panama stock: the best panama (green/purple pheno) was reversed to pollinate her sisters and also many other females from other phenos (green, pink, white, and combinations inbetween) and from different panama lines. As explained in previous post this is to keep the desirable genetic diversity of the strain. The upcoming panama fem reproduction comes in a similar way.

 

[Panacanna]

Hi Bear Riot,

Hopefully i can find more time this weekend to answer all your doubts.

The last panama feminized reproduction was not an S1.
To produce the current feminized panama stock: the best panama (green/purple pheno) was reversed to pollinate her sisters and also many other females from other phenos (green, pink, white, and combinations inbetween) and from different panama lines. As explained in previous post this is to keep the desirable genetic diversity of the strain. The upcoming panama fem reproduction comes in a similar way.

What did that one look like? Green/purple sounds a lot like mine.

 

[bwoyrude]

Panama Fem 90 @12/12
looking rdy

 

[Jhhnn]

Panama Fem 90 @12/12
looking rdy

How long did those veg, & how tall are they atm?

Well, & anything else you'd care to offer about your technique, please!

 

[bwoyrude]

i have dairy a little below .
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=279544
pre-veg 10d,veg 35d,pre-bloom 14d(90d@bloom total),2 times fimed/toped
nothing special in the technique , i did not like this cycle
I had to train them better, or even make cycle 12/12 from seeds in other pots

 

[Jhhnn]

Thanks for that, bwoyrude.

 

[warcraft74]

here's some panama seedlings that all came up on the 27th of may. they did go through a traumatic experience about a week ago when a strong wind blew them off of the windowsill - i was able to replant 'em though and they haven't seemed to have stunted.

the one on the top left is the largest and most vigorous... though i'm a bit worried about the bottom two - especially the bottom right one. her second set of leaves haven't really grown at all in the past week, even though she's putting out her first set of 'quadruple leaves' anyway (which have some brownish color to them in the middle as yo can see in the macro). should i be worried, or will they eventually start to take off? or maybe they're just a different pheno and won't look the same as the top two? would you guys say the largest one is healthier than the smallest? lol... i'm new to growing as you can prob tell.

i usually keep em outside, but it's rainy today, so i brought them in as i don't want them to drown. i'm using a slow feeding potting soil (i know, they shouldn't be fed at all but it's what i've got). i also water them sparingly ever two or three days... they don't get much rain water if any. this will be an outdoor grow.

you can click on the pics if you want a bigger res.

group shot:



largest seedling:



smallest seedling:

 

[warcraft74]

here's a clearer group shot: