Occupy Wall Street: Not on major media but worth watching!

[whodare]

The system cannot regulate the individual without extreme inefficiency and corruption.

Support for the individual comes from the community. Anything beyond the community becomes extremely inefficient and ripe for corruption.

Support for a system that tries to tell people how they're supposed to act is folly. The majority of our issues arise from regulation that is completely unnecessary and contrary to a productive society.

Raise your hand if you know all 6 million+ federal laws, by-laws, regulations and whatnot? Yeah. Thought so. WTF People?

More Education, Less Regulation.

Stay Safe!

how bout unbiased scientifically reasonable regulations that protect the earth and people,

im all for getting rid of regulations that really aid companies or are completely senseless

and im pro education advancement

but it think its naive to be pro deregulation

 

[Hydro-Soil]

how bout unbiased scientifically reasonable regulations that protect the earth and people,

im all for getting rid of regulations that really aid companies or are completely senseless

and im pro education advancement

but it think its naive to be pro deregulation

Ok... I'll bite.

So... who's unbiased, how do you tell and who's to say they'll stay that way?

Scientifically reasonable regulations that protect the earth and people.
Like the Georgia Guidestones?
Seriously though,the answers are sovereignty, honesty, ethics, family values and education. The rest sorts itself out.

When people are given all of the correct information, they generally make better choices than we've experienced from ignorance.


You're all for getting rid of regulations that really aid companies or are completely senseless .... but you believe deregulation is naive? Hey now.


Have things gotten to a point where it looks like it's impossible to start over? Yep. Are there still blind people who believe it can be fixed? Ummm.. Yep. Is there going to be some nice fuzzy-wuzzy solution to this?

NOPE!

Stay Safe!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ok... I'll bite.

So... who's unbiased, how do you tell and who's to say they'll stay that way?

Sounds like a precursor to denial.

Scientifically reasonable regulations that protect the earth and people.
Like the Georgia Guidestones?

How about Aesop's fables?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Occupy DC Protesters Take Over K Street, Dozens Arrested

Posted: 12/ 7/11 05:34 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- At least 60 protesters were arrested on K Street NW, the historical lobbying hub of the nation's capital, as they blocked four key intersections, shutting down the street for much of the afternoon Wednesday.

Lasting more than an hour, a standoff between Occupy Wall Street protesters and D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department resulted in at least three dozen arrests near Franklin Square at 14th and K Streets NW. Police used horses for crowd control, and picked apart protesters who linked arms and went limp with their bodies.

Police on the seen did not have a complete count of how many were arrested along the K Street corridor on Wednesday, but the number was reported by National Lawyers' Guild observers and protesters to be near 60.

Most of those arrested were charged with blocking a highway, as Occupy protesters began setting up tents and quite literally occupying K Street, blocking all traffic on the heavily-traveled downtown thoroughfare that is also Route 29. Metrobus and D.C. Circulator bus services were impacted.

Occupy DC protesters had marched through the rain to meet up on K Street with "Take Back the Capitol," a union-backed protest organized by groups like OurDC, the SEIU and Rebuild the American Dream, around 12:30 p.m. Immediately upon arriving and swelling in number to nearly 700, the protesters took over the intersection of 16th and K streets.

Members of Occupy DC began to get frustrated, however, with Take Back the Capitol's attempt at crowd control. Occupy DC protesters, joined by a large number of Occupy Wall Street protesters from at least a dozen other states, began to spread to the next intersection at 15th and K Streets, adjacent to Occupy DC's home base of McPherson Square.

Demonstrators quickly began dragging tents, garbage cans, chairs and tables into the intersection. Within an hour, Occupy protesters had blocked three intersections along K Street, stopping all traffic. Police rushed to keep up, but did not try to stop the protesters. To the contrary, a mix of city police, park police and Department of Homeland Security officers helped prevent cars from trying to drive through the protesters. At one intersection, protesters tipped over newspaper boxes to use for blocking traffic and standing upon.

Meanwhile, as Occupy protesters kept spreading, 20 demonstrators were arrested at 16th and K Streets.

As protesters began forming lines along two sides of the 14th and K intersection, police gave them three warnings using a loudspeaker before moving in.

Protesters decided to link arms and were arrested without major conflict. D.C. cops then used three police horses to move the crowd out of the street.

After the first arrests, Occupy demonstrators laid down and linked arms in a line of more than two dozen people.

Approximately 100 protesters with Occupy DC marched on Podesta Group's G Street NW headquarters downtown at 11 a.m. They chose Podesta because the firm has worked for BP, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and many other notable clients. The firm was co-founded by John Podesta, former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton.

Take Back the Capitol marchers protested at the offices of Verizon, GE and the American Bankers Association. Most of them marched away from the Occupy DC-lead group at 14th and K Streets before the showdown with police began.

Shortly after 4 p.m., police said traffic was flowing smoothly again.
Many protesters present traveled from other Occupy Wall Street-inspired protests in states from Texas to California, Wisconsin and Massachusetts for a week of protests in Washington. Some told HuffPost they got rides to D.C. by taking advantage of the SEIU's buses.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...rrested_n_1135084.html?ref=occupy-wall-street

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I don't care what you have to say DB. You've proven yourself to be an intelligent, completely-programmed, tool of the NWO. Wittingly or unwittingly, I care not. You're the worst kind of tool.... your intentions are good, you just don't understand the full ramifications of your actions.

 

[McSnappler]

Anyone interested in just how far off the track our country has gone? Here's a good primer video to get you started.

I watched the whole thing a while back, and found it a useful overview of the original intentions of the united states Constitution and Bill of Rights. Badnarik speaks well and helps make it an engaging experience.

 

[whodare]

Ok... I'll bite.

bite what?

So... who's unbiased, how do you tell and who's to say they'll stay that way?

by that logic what determines a good doctor?
the answer to your question is simple though, anyone that is dedicated to the rules of scientific observation will be unbiased...
is it idealistic yea but its far superior to what we have now

Scientifically reasonable regulations that protect the earth and people.
Like the Georgia Guidestones?
Seriously though,the answers are sovereignty, honesty, ethics, family values and education. The rest sorts itself out.

the "guide stones" are far from reasonable science...
and i am pro all those things and if we had those, science would rule


When people are given all of the correct information, they generally make better choices than we've experienced from ignorance.

really, so the bankers and globalists who are running this country into the ground make better choices
(well for themselves and goals i guess)


You're all for getting rid of regulations that really aid companies or are completely senseless .... but you believe deregulation is naive? Hey now.

thats far from contradictory like i said unbiased scientifically reasonable regulations,

Have things gotten to a point where it looks like it's impossible to start over? Yep. Are there still blind people who believe it can be fixed? Ummm.. Yep. Is there going to be some nice fuzzy-wuzzy solution to this?

NOPE!

so you preach what the founding fathers preached yet you dont think we can start over?

idealist, realist, pessimist?
really we should get along


Stay Safe!

 

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I don't care whether you respond. What's this? Looks like a response.

I don't care what you have to say DB.

Keep thinking it's all about you. I don't care what you think, I just point out your reasoning - or lack of it.

You've proven yourself to be an intelligent, completely-programmed, tool of the NWO.

Ah, shades of Illuminati. As ineffective as all-about-self reading, unless of course you're all about self.

Wittingly or unwittingly, I care not. You're the worst kind of tool.... your intentions are good, you just don't understand the full ramifications of your actions.

I understand that if you care about yourself enough, nothing else matters. Even though you have to counter math with philosophy and phoney fear i.e. NWO.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Memo to American Consumers: You Just Got Screwed... Again

Adam Levin - Founder, Credit.com
Posted: 12/ 8/11 09:13 PM ET

The too-big-to-fail boys and their GOP handmaidens -- the Hon. Richard Shelby, the Hon. Mitch McConnell and the other 43 legislative dwarves in the U.S. Senate -- have struck again.

Senate Republicans blocked the confirmation of Richard Cordray as Director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which is the first federal regulator charged with enforcing consumer financial protection laws.

Plain and simple -- just like we experienced a few months earlier with Elizabeth Warren (whose potential nomination was derailed by the same band of robber barons) -- Mr. Cordray is the newest roadkill on the conservative superhighway, and the American people have been hosed yet again. Now, you might not realize this, because you're about to witness a cable news cycle full of Republican senators prattling on as to why their vote was really about accountability and good government.

Don't buy it, my friends.

Thursday's vote was a simple win for greed and gridlock.

Republicans didn't need to win (actually they lost, 45 to 53). To secure their next round of campaign contributions from their financial patrons, all they needed to do was stall. And in that respect, they hit the ball out of the park. Thursday's vote assures that a whole host of banks and other non-banking financial services companies won't have a real cop on the beat until at least November 2012, when the next presidential election is decided. Furthermore, the GOP is counting on the fact that when the smoke clears in January 2013, they will be running the show so that they can stamp out all of this consumer protection rubbish once and for all.

Guess who lost? Consumers -- obviously. But other folks lost, as well. Take, for instance, honest companies (including some of the nation's largest banks), and anyone who cares about doing business on a level playing field in an environment of integrity.

First, a little background. Congress created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which launched last summer, as part of the Dodd-Frank financial reform package. A lynchpin of the legislation is the CFPB, which represents the first federal agency exclusively devoted to the protection of the consumer in the financial services area. Consumer law enforcement responsibility previously scattered among seven other financial regulatory agencies has been consolidated under the CFPB.

Whereas other regulators are primarily concerned with promoting the safety and soundness of the American economy (which all too often they confused with protecting the profits of big banks and Wall Street investment firms), the CFPB is a one-stop shop for consumer education, advocacy, research and enforcement.

This is vitally important work. Here's the most obvious reason why: the late-stage mortgage boom of the mid-2000s, and the crisis it caused, was fueled by greed, ignorance, irresponsibility and fraud. After years of historically low interest rates, lenders and the Wall Street firms that funded them had largely run out of qualified people to whom they could lend money. But the banks and investment houses were too addicted to the easy money they made from mortgage fees to change course.

Lines were blurred, rules were broken and facilitators were rewarded for creating exotic and risky bundles of securitized loans -- which were then off-loaded to uninitiated and unsuspecting investors. According to insider testimony, brokers at companies like Countrywide Financial, the largest subprime lender during the boom, tricked people into taking on loans they couldn't afford. And then the big boys went about enticing everyone from pension funds to Scandinavian fishing villages to buy those junky loans.

When the whole thing fell apart, 99.25 percent of the people were decimated. (You don't really believe that the entire 1 percent escaped scot-free, do you?) People with mortgages that never should have been written in the first place found the banks too overwhelmed with bad loans to help. Everyone else suffered, too, since the average value of all our homes has dropped by a third since the boom time peak.

Guess who also lost out? Honest bankers and any other business that tried to stay free from the mess. Many financial institutions actually tried for years avoid the subprime market. But non-banks like Countrywide were making so much money that eventually, virtually every major bank had to get into the business just to preserve market share.

The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has the power to level the playing field for consumers and honest bankers, but only if and when it has a permanent director. It can educate, do research and enforce existing legislation, but when it comes to the important, innovative work for which it was created, it is seriously hampered.

Like an embryo permanently trapped in the womb of the Treasury Department, without a director, it has no power to prevent "unfair, abusive or deceptive practices," which, of course, is the core of its being. It can't even write new rules to enforce existing laws designed to protect consumers from mortgage fraud, payday loans charging 400-percent interest, and student loans that consumers can never escape, even if they declare bankruptcy.

Republican leaders would have you believe that they blocked this important work because they fear the CFPB has "unprecedented" power and is "unaccountable" to voters and Congress, in the words of Senator Richard Shelby.

Who does the Honorable Gentleman from the Great State of Alabama think he's kidding? Nobody. The CFPB actually has less power than any other financial regulator. (The other seven can even veto any bureau decision.) This isn't a fight about accountability, transparency, or any such noble cause. It's a fight about who will win in our economy. It's a fight between consumers and honest businesspeople on one side, and predators, charlatans and snake oil salesmen on the other.

By doing the bidding of their Wall Street contributors, Republicans aren't just hurting consumers. They're actually hurting the companies and values they claim to represent. Real bank profits don't require devious schemes. Real innovation in the financial markets doesn't involve fraud. Stable banks and a stable middle class depend on everybody playing by the same rules.

Senate Republicans, meanwhile, continue to play by an older set of rules, one that already sent our economy down the path of crisis and ruination. "Congress has remained a collection of two-cent politicians who could serve well enough in simpler days," TIME magazine wrote in 1942. "But the ignorance and provincialism of Congress renders it incapable of meeting the needs of modern government."

Truer words were never spoken. We need the minority party in the Senate to get with the program. We need a CFPB with the firepower, the funds and the fangs to do its job. Until we get that, honest American consumers and businesspeople will continue to get pulverized.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-...-cfpb_b_1137988.html?ref=business&ir=Business

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[DiscoBiscuit]

senate asnswers house call for Constitutional ammendment

senate asnswers house call for Constitutional ammendment

Saving Our Democracy

Senator Bernie Sanders (I) Vermont
Posted: 12/ 8/11 06:08 PM ET

Today I introduced a resolution calling for an amendment to the U.S. Constitution. A similar resolution has been offered in the house by Rep. Ted Deutsch of Florida.

I do not do this lightly nor have I ever done this before. The U.S. constitution is an extraordinary document which has served our country well for over 200 years. In my view, it should not be amended often. In light of the Supreme Court's disastrous 5-4 decision in the Citizens United case, however, I see no alternative but a constitutional amendment.

I strongly disagree with the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision.

In my view, a corporation is not a person.

In my view, a corporation does not have first amendment rights to spend as much money as it wants, without disclosure, on a political campaign.

In my view, corporations should not be able to go into their treasuries, spend millions and millions of dollars on a campaign in order to buy elections.

I do not believe that is what American democracy is supposed to be about.

I do not believe that that is what the bravest of the brave from our country fighting for democracy fought and died to preserve.

Almost two years ago in its now infamous Citizens United decision, the United States Supreme Court upended over a precedent, taking a somewhat narrow legal question and using it as an opportunity to radically change our political landscape, unleashing a tsunami of corporate spending on campaign ads.

Make no mistake; the Citizens United ruling has radically changed the nature of our democracy. It has further tilted the balance of the power toward the rich and the powerful at a time when the wealthiest people in this country already never had it so good. In my view, history will record that the Citizens United decision is one of the worst in the history of our country.

At a time when corporations have more than $2 trillion in cash in their bank accounts and are making record-breaking profits, the American people should be concerned when the Supreme Court says that these corporations have a constitutionally-protected right to spend, spend, spend shareholders' money to dominate an election as if they were real, live persons.

If we do not reverse this decision, there will be no end to the impact that corporate interests can have on our campaigns and our democracy.

Infinitely more money is going to come into the political process through non-disclosed donations funding political ads on TV screens in our states.

According to an Oct. 10, 2011, article in Politico, "the billionaire industrialist brothers David and Charles Koch plan to steer more than $200 million -- potentially much more -- to conservative groups ahead of Election Day 2012."

Does anybody really believe that that is what American democracy is supposed to be about?
When an issue comes up that impacts Wall Street, like breaking up huge banks. What will senators be thinking about when they decide to vote?

Every member of the Senate, every member of the House, in the back of their minds will be asking this: If I cast a vote this way, if I take on some big-money interest, am I going to be punished? Will a huge amount of money be unleashed in my state?

It's not just taking on Wall Street. Maybe it's taking on the drug companies. Maybe it's taking on the private insurance companies. Maybe it's taking on the military-industrial complex. Whatever powerful and wealthy special interests members of Congress are prepared to take on -- on behalf of the interest of the middle class and working families of this country -- they will know in the back of their mind that they may be a flood of money coming in to their state. They're going to think twice about how to cast that vote.

The Constitution of this country has served us well for more than 200 years, but when the Supreme Court says that for purposes of the First Amendment, corporations are people, that writing checks from the company's bank account is constitutionally-protected speech and that attempts by the federal government and states to impose reasonable restrictions on campaign ads are unconstitutional, when that occurs, our democracy is in grave danger.

I am a proud sponsor of a number of bills that would respond to Citizens United and begin to get a handle on the problem. But more needs to be done, something more fundamental and indisputable, something that cannot be turned on its head by a 5-4 Supreme Court decision.

We have got to send a constitutional amendment to the states that says simply and straightforwardly what everyone except five members of the United States Supreme Court seem to understand, that corporations are not people with equal constitutional rights. Corporations are subject to regulation by the people. Corporations may not make campaign contributions -- the law of the land for the last century. And Congress and states have the power to regulate campaign finances.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-bernie-sanders/saving-our-democracy_b_1137783.html

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[bombadil.360]

And now, the top 10 wealth-disparate nations on the planet***

Number 10..... New Zealand

Number 9........Australia

Number 8....... Italy

Number 7....... United Kingdom

Number 6....... Portugal

Number 5....... Israel

Number 4........United States

Number 3........Turkey

Number 2........Mexico

And the Number 1 wealth-disparate nation on earth is

Chile, the CIA test-bed of Friedman utopia.
***according to The Organization For Economic Co-Operation And Development

BTW, Venezuela is #97 and Cuba is #167.

thanks for proving my point Disco.

cuba and venezuela do not qualify as having big wealth inequalities in their societies because in cuba and venezuela everyone is equally poor.

and btw, chile is the strongest economy of latin america, and they do not have oil, like venezuela, go figure...

another factoid, venezuelan citizens are not allowed by swiss banks to open anonymous accounts there; because of the fact that venezuela is the most corrupt country in the world.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

thanks for proving my point Disco.

cuba and venezuela do not qualify as having big wealth inequalities in their societies because in cuba and venezuela everyone is equally poor.

Referencing the Communist Manifesto? Not sure I exactly corroborated your post.

(nations' encyclopedia) The richest 10% of the population accounted for approximately 36.5% of household consumption and the poorest 10% approximately 0.8%. It was estimated that in 1997 about 67% of the population had incomes below the poverty line.

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Americas/Venezuela-INCOME.html

Doesn't look like Venezuela operates according to Carl. Still interested in Cuba?

and btw, chile is the strongest economy of latin america, and they do not have oil, like venezuela, go figure...

Source: CIA World Factbook[4]

1)

Brazil $2,102,018 million

2)

Argentina $694,690 million

3)

Colombia $484,960 million

4)

Venezuela $369,324 million

5)

Peru $300,114 million 44

6)

Chile $281,368 million

7)

Ecuador $125,066 million

8)

Uruguay $52,111 million

9)

Bolivia $51,478 million

10)

Paraguay $36,235 million

11)

Guyana $5,842 million

12)

Suriname $5,069 million

Looks like Venezuela (and 4 other countries) are doing better than Chile. And that's just South America. If we included all Latin American countries, Chile might not make #6.

another factoid, venezuelan citizens are not allowed by swiss banks to open anonymous accounts there; because of the fact that venezuela is the most corrupt country in the world.

Well, let's see. The 2009 Corruption Perceptions Index says that Venezuela shares spot #162 with 5 others countries.

http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

Not sure where you're going with all this. Nobody's cheer leading for communism here. Are you a Milton Friedman fan?

EDIT: According to the survey, looks like Chile is the 25th most-corrupt, globally. USA is #19. Far more corrupt than V town.

 

[onegreenday]

That's BS Bombadil;

You said this about Venezuela & Cuba:

QUOTE:

the best warnings against communism for today are venezuela and cuba, see how the 'ruling class of socialists' live, compare how the working classes live; make up your own mind, see where is the social justice there? by comparisson, the social justice of such systems is virtually non-existence when compared to the U.S, even with all the social inequality the U.S has atm.

in venezuela and cuba, the ruling socialst class are very truly rich, and everyone else is equally truly poor, that's 'their equality', everyone equally fucked and unable to work since work is 'evil' and 'imperialistic', go figure...

END QUOTE:

The figures prove you wrong.

You rag-on Venezuela you are pimping for USA..

Chavez is a Worldwide hero;
not like our hated ghetto leaders...

thanks for proving my point Disco.

cuba and venezuela do not qualify as having big wealth inequalities in their societies because in cuba and venezuela everyone is equally poor.

and btw, chile is the strongest economy of latin america, and they do not have oil, like venezuela, go figure...

another factoid, venezuelan citizens are not allowed by swiss banks to open anonymous accounts there; because of the fact that venezuela is the most corrupt country in the world.

 

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"If they do not do what you tell them, strike them."

"If they do not do what you tell them, strike them."

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[dagnabit]

our 99% are the worlds 1%

welcome to income inequality in "V town"

nice to see they treat their protesters better in "v town"

 

[dagnabit]

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/09/18/decade-under-ch-vez

v town aint corrupt!!!
just ask hugo.

http://www.canvasopedia.org/legacy/files/venezuela/Human_Rights_Violations.pdf

only if you consider human rights important.

There has been no investigations of the criminal acts committed during public demonstrations against the government resulting in the violation of the integrity of people (during the last sixteen months there have been 52 deaths, 820 injured, and 92 journalist attacked) (Source: COFAVIC, PROVEA, Human Rights Watch, US Department of State Report on Human Rights in Venezuela, El Universal 02/09/03)

how many OWS protesters dead so far?

PROVEA documented 664 cases of torture, beating and other abuse, affecting 1,731 victims, from October 2000 through September 2001. (Source: PROVEA, US Depart. of State).
• Torture continues, in part, because Government did not ensure independent investigation of complaints. Very few cases of torture resulted in convictions (Source: US Depart. of State).
• Prison conditions are worsening under the current administration. The prison population is 117 percent over capacity. Prisoners have used grenades (only legally used by the army) and guns. (Source: US Depart. of State)
• 48 percent of all prisoners are in pretrial detention. (Source: Ministry of the Interior of Venezuela, US Depart. of State).
• There have been 244 deaths and 1,249 injuries from violence in jails from October 2001 through September 2002. (Source: US Dept. of State).

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

our 99% are the worlds 1%

welcome to income inequality in "V town"

Yeah, the world does analysis and dag does dag. Welcome to judgement call.

nice to see they treat their protesters better in "v town"

Argue that with somebody who gives a fuck.

v town aint corrupt!!!
just ask hugo.

But it sure is a fuckin excuse to argue.

only if you consider human rights important.

how many OWS protesters dead so far?

In the context of wealth disparity, I don't give a fuck about your dead protester argument.

 

[Guest3498]

Anybody else want to give this guy a high five?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4yDCUJJm_U&sns=fb