Yea, turning off your phone will help......... Baaaaa!!!!! (More sheep noises)
http://mashable.com/2012/10/09/new-lookout-app-locates-your-phone-even-when-battery-is-dead/
New bankcard has a chip innit
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Yea, turning off your phone will help......... Baaaaa!!!!! (More sheep noises)
http://mashable.com/2012/10/09/new-lookout-app-locates-your-phone-even-when-battery-is-dead/
I've got a handy little tobacco tin lined with copper foil to carry my phone if I don't want cell tower info showing where I am/have been.
They can't get around the basic way a mobile phone works, block the radio waves and bingo, privacy. They cant remotely activate cameras and microphones, or locate a phone with a whizzy new app, without getting a signal to the phone in the 1st place.
Companies sell Faraday cage bags/wrappers, similar to my baccy tin, for police to put seized phones in, to prevent the owner or anyone else from doing a remote wipe and destroying evidence, if it works for them, it'll work for you.
Also, calling anyone who doesn't buy into your paranoia, a sheep, says more about you than it does them.
Get a tin and some copper foil, assemble, put your phone in, then try to call it from another phone. If you made your Faraday cage tin correctly, you will not get through. You need the whole interior to be conductive, so fold some of the foil over the lip on the tin for it to catch the foil in the lid, or solder a piece of wire in to use as a contact.
Oh noes, the mark of the beast,
pffft
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http://www.activistpost.com/2012/08/public-schools-use-rfid-chips-to-track.html
^not implants...
http://polidics.com/news/another-hidden-secret-in-obamacare-rfid-chip-implants.html
health care bill HR3200, signed into law by obummer
^not implants...
http://polidics.com/news/another-hidden-secret-in-obamacare-rfid-chip-implants.html
health care bill HR3200, signed into law by obummer
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An old folks home near me uses them, for patients with Alzheimers/Dementia, to inform the staff if they wander off the grounds.
It isn't an implant, it's a bracelet, like those watches you can get to track your kids.
iampolluted
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the powers that be (the 0.01%) would love to implant folks with microchips that hold personal and financial info on em. if ya ever got out of line, click, you're shit gets cut off.
zeitgeist: the movie is a great view into how they've been fucking us long before we were even born.
zeitgeist: the movie is a great view into how they've been fucking us long before we were even born.
You guys are leaving out one very important new tech in this discussion...
DRONES...
It's not enough to track you, they have to be able to corner you, disable you, kill you too.
Just wait for the first civilian death, or should I say collateral damage to an innocent US citizen due to a government drone. Once they begin overlooking such deaths, we will become like Afghanistan and Pakistan, just another place to police from the skies via remote aircraft.
Of course they've already killed US citizens with drones overseas. So what's gonna stop them from doing it here.
Little chips are just a small worry compared to the ability of the government to just off anyone they choose without legal recourse... Hell they don't need judges to spy on us anymore.
Just think about the sea change in police psychology when they no longer have to worry about being injured themselves. When they have world class gamers at the joysticks of military/police drones and robots, you know like that kid from Newtown, ready to celebrate the destruction of their next target and whatever collateral damage they can inflict, without any danger or legal issues to themselves.
That is the scenario we need to avoid, but unfortunately it's here now...
Whenever I think of police drones and robots, what comes to mind is the opening scenes from the original Terminator movie...
Then add to that the scene from Fahrenheit 451 when loudspeakers urge everyone to step out of their houses and keep an eye out for the renegade/terrorist (who reads books! Horrors!). Now of course they know exactly where you are, so no need to get everyone else involved in your execution.
How long before people begin to protest about the Desaparecidos (the missing), like those from Pinochet's reign in Chile, the people the government takes out for their convenience.
The Chinese are not waiting around. Here's a pic of their latest drone technology on display just the other day.
I hear they have like 30 versions of drones now. China probably makes more than anyone, from little hobby drones to one that can deliver bombs and missiles.
DRONES...
It's not enough to track you, they have to be able to corner you, disable you, kill you too.
Just wait for the first civilian death, or should I say collateral damage to an innocent US citizen due to a government drone. Once they begin overlooking such deaths, we will become like Afghanistan and Pakistan, just another place to police from the skies via remote aircraft.
Of course they've already killed US citizens with drones overseas. So what's gonna stop them from doing it here.
Little chips are just a small worry compared to the ability of the government to just off anyone they choose without legal recourse... Hell they don't need judges to spy on us anymore.
Just think about the sea change in police psychology when they no longer have to worry about being injured themselves. When they have world class gamers at the joysticks of military/police drones and robots, you know like that kid from Newtown, ready to celebrate the destruction of their next target and whatever collateral damage they can inflict, without any danger or legal issues to themselves.
That is the scenario we need to avoid, but unfortunately it's here now...
Whenever I think of police drones and robots, what comes to mind is the opening scenes from the original Terminator movie...
Then add to that the scene from Fahrenheit 451 when loudspeakers urge everyone to step out of their houses and keep an eye out for the renegade/terrorist (who reads books! Horrors!). Now of course they know exactly where you are, so no need to get everyone else involved in your execution.
How long before people begin to protest about the Desaparecidos (the missing), like those from Pinochet's reign in Chile, the people the government takes out for their convenience.
The Chinese are not waiting around. Here's a pic of their latest drone technology on display just the other day.
I hear they have like 30 versions of drones now. China probably makes more than anyone, from little hobby drones to one that can deliver bombs and missiles.
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false, sorry...
don't believe all the bullshit you hear about obama and obamacare. health care bill HR3200 was not even passed. but the bill did originate in the house and supported by REPUBLICANS, not DEMS.
do a little investigating. took me less than 1 minute.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp
http://rfid.net/news/410-national-healthcare-does-not-require-rfid-chips
the HATE and mistrust for the black man in office is disgusting, racist and totally fucking wrong and quite frankly it's become tiring and boring.
Ive seen bracelets im talking about the claims of forced implants for mentally handicapped individuals.
I work with an arc facility that provides materials for my industry and have never heard or seen any word of this.
A Google provides zero evidence to support the claim.
Im open to see it but without a single credible shred of evidence I call bullshit.
I work with an arc facility that provides materials for my industry and have never heard or seen any word of this.
A Google provides zero evidence to support the claim.
Im open to see it but without a single credible shred of evidence I call bullshit.
iampolluted
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who would or could force an implant? no one. people will do it willfully, and people who are able to do it to their kids legally (guardians included), will. it's basic consent, and people give up that right far too often, some without knowing, especially kids.
all rfid chips are geolocatable ,there is a new paint on the market that allows the rifd chip to use as an antana in remote locations,so tracking is a viable possability with these cards as is fraud ,keep your card in a protective sleave that blocks its ability to transmit
gplc, i wasn't hammering the black guy...just the guy who signed this shit into law...it might have been anyone.
still this is a moot point as the in vivo rfid chips are no longer a threat.
The size of two grains of rice, the tiny VeriChip, a microchip made to be implanted in the human body and transmit information about that person through radio signals, has huge Owellian implications. “The VeriChip Corporation markets the implant as a method of accessing medical records in an emergency, for use as a payment device, and as a way to control access to secure facilities,” consumer privacy advocate Katherine Albrecht describes in the newly released VeriChip FAQ. It sounds innocent enough, but numerous critics of the chip, including Dr. Albright, author of Spychips, How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track Your Every Move with RFIDs, have brought to attention the fact “the implant could be surreptitiously used for tracking purposes through a network of local readers” by a government or agency that wanted to control a large group of people. Another risk is the possibility of hacking. David H. Holtzman in his Business Week article “Human ID Chips Get Under my skin,” pointed out: “All it would take is a careless employee to accidentally expose everyone’s number (the 16 digits on the chip that associate a person with his or her information) to an ill-intentioned hacker,” who then could use the personal information stored on a database in correlation to the numbers to access financial, medical, and security information about that person.
After the FDA approved these chips for use in humans, the reaction was intense. Groups began protesting the use of chips in humans, and numerous campaigns to prohibit foreseeable use of it began. Despite the controversy, the use of human “chipping” continued being discussed. Immigrants, the military, Alzheimer’s patients, and babies were the first candidates for being “chipped.”
Then the floodwaters broke. In 2007, Dr. Albrecht, the founder of CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering), brought out studies showing a connection between microchipped animals and cancer to the attention of the Associated Press. The Washington Post, in an article entitled “Chip Implants Linked to Animal Tumors,” reported: “A series of veterinary and toxicology studies, dating to the mid-1990s, stated that chip implants had ‘induced’ malignant tumors in some lab mice and rats,” and that furthermore, “Leading cancer specialists reviewed the research for The Associated Press and, while cautioning that animal test results do not necessarily apply to humans, said the findings troubled them. Some said they would not allow family members to receive implants, and all urged further research before the glass-encased transponders are widely implanted in people.”
On November 19, 2007, CASPIAN released the reports, entitled Microchip-Induced Tumors in Laboratory Rodents and Dogs: A Review of the Literature 1990–2006 showing how lab rats, mice and dogs contracted cancer from being implanted with RFID chips. Most of these studies were conducted for research reasons other than that of testing the VeriChip, but when both the control group (animals not exposed to chemicals being tested) and the experimental group were found to have contracted cancer from the microchips put in them for ID purposes, the conductors of the tests thought it significant enough to report.
Scott Silverman the, CEO of VeriChip, at first denied any knowledge of such tests, stating: “(the VeriChip company) was not aware of any studies that have resulted in malignant tumors in mice or rats, and certainly not cats or dogs.” Later, however, Silverman admitted certain studies were "omitted from the sheaf of studies included in the FDA application (for approval),” as Sobhean Morissy paraphrased in his article “Are Microchip Tags Safe?" It might be asked, what else might Mr. Silverman have concealed from the FDA?
Since the reports have come out, Mr. Silverman has been caught in a tangle of misstatements and VeriChip has gone down hard and fast. Over the past year the company lost more than 11 million dollars and its stock has dropped from over 10.47 dollars a share to less than two. “VeriChip’s media efforts have done little to salvage the company’s public image or its financial performance, both of which plummeted after research linking the implantable microchip to cancer was first widely revealed,” Dr. Albrecht reported. “The same company that once predicted revenues in the ‘billions’ earned just $3,000 from its microchip implant operations in the first quarter of 2008”
On July 21, the true victory came. VeriChip sold its Xmark division of the company that comprised its main enterprise to Stanley Canada Company for $47.9 million. Xmark’s product line provides external RFID active tags for the healthcare market. Though this may seem like a lot, with over $24 million going to pay off debt and another $15 million allotted as dividends for shareholders, the company has made a minimal profit in comparison with its hopes. Mr. Silverman has stepped down as CEO, and the parent corporation, Digital Angel, has taken over what is left of the company.
VeriChip has now revealed plans to sell its VeriMed Health Link business — the Health Link division carries the implantable chips. The rest of the company is also for sale.
For the moment the substantial financial losses suffered by VeriChip tells us that the voice of the people has been heard:
“We don’t want microchips implanted in us for any reason and we won’t stop till the threat is gone!
http://www.infowars.com/verichip-corp-takes-downturn-in-wake-of-rfid-caner-link/
still this is a moot point as the in vivo rfid chips are no longer a threat.
The size of two grains of rice, the tiny VeriChip, a microchip made to be implanted in the human body and transmit information about that person through radio signals, has huge Owellian implications. “The VeriChip Corporation markets the implant as a method of accessing medical records in an emergency, for use as a payment device, and as a way to control access to secure facilities,” consumer privacy advocate Katherine Albrecht describes in the newly released VeriChip FAQ. It sounds innocent enough, but numerous critics of the chip, including Dr. Albright, author of Spychips, How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track Your Every Move with RFIDs, have brought to attention the fact “the implant could be surreptitiously used for tracking purposes through a network of local readers” by a government or agency that wanted to control a large group of people. Another risk is the possibility of hacking. David H. Holtzman in his Business Week article “Human ID Chips Get Under my skin,” pointed out: “All it would take is a careless employee to accidentally expose everyone’s number (the 16 digits on the chip that associate a person with his or her information) to an ill-intentioned hacker,” who then could use the personal information stored on a database in correlation to the numbers to access financial, medical, and security information about that person.
After the FDA approved these chips for use in humans, the reaction was intense. Groups began protesting the use of chips in humans, and numerous campaigns to prohibit foreseeable use of it began. Despite the controversy, the use of human “chipping” continued being discussed. Immigrants, the military, Alzheimer’s patients, and babies were the first candidates for being “chipped.”
Then the floodwaters broke. In 2007, Dr. Albrecht, the founder of CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering), brought out studies showing a connection between microchipped animals and cancer to the attention of the Associated Press. The Washington Post, in an article entitled “Chip Implants Linked to Animal Tumors,” reported: “A series of veterinary and toxicology studies, dating to the mid-1990s, stated that chip implants had ‘induced’ malignant tumors in some lab mice and rats,” and that furthermore, “Leading cancer specialists reviewed the research for The Associated Press and, while cautioning that animal test results do not necessarily apply to humans, said the findings troubled them. Some said they would not allow family members to receive implants, and all urged further research before the glass-encased transponders are widely implanted in people.”
On November 19, 2007, CASPIAN released the reports, entitled Microchip-Induced Tumors in Laboratory Rodents and Dogs: A Review of the Literature 1990–2006 showing how lab rats, mice and dogs contracted cancer from being implanted with RFID chips. Most of these studies were conducted for research reasons other than that of testing the VeriChip, but when both the control group (animals not exposed to chemicals being tested) and the experimental group were found to have contracted cancer from the microchips put in them for ID purposes, the conductors of the tests thought it significant enough to report.
Scott Silverman the, CEO of VeriChip, at first denied any knowledge of such tests, stating: “(the VeriChip company) was not aware of any studies that have resulted in malignant tumors in mice or rats, and certainly not cats or dogs.” Later, however, Silverman admitted certain studies were "omitted from the sheaf of studies included in the FDA application (for approval),” as Sobhean Morissy paraphrased in his article “Are Microchip Tags Safe?" It might be asked, what else might Mr. Silverman have concealed from the FDA?
Since the reports have come out, Mr. Silverman has been caught in a tangle of misstatements and VeriChip has gone down hard and fast. Over the past year the company lost more than 11 million dollars and its stock has dropped from over 10.47 dollars a share to less than two. “VeriChip’s media efforts have done little to salvage the company’s public image or its financial performance, both of which plummeted after research linking the implantable microchip to cancer was first widely revealed,” Dr. Albrecht reported. “The same company that once predicted revenues in the ‘billions’ earned just $3,000 from its microchip implant operations in the first quarter of 2008”
On July 21, the true victory came. VeriChip sold its Xmark division of the company that comprised its main enterprise to Stanley Canada Company for $47.9 million. Xmark’s product line provides external RFID active tags for the healthcare market. Though this may seem like a lot, with over $24 million going to pay off debt and another $15 million allotted as dividends for shareholders, the company has made a minimal profit in comparison with its hopes. Mr. Silverman has stepped down as CEO, and the parent corporation, Digital Angel, has taken over what is left of the company.
VeriChip has now revealed plans to sell its VeriMed Health Link business — the Health Link division carries the implantable chips. The rest of the company is also for sale.
For the moment the substantial financial losses suffered by VeriChip tells us that the voice of the people has been heard:
“We don’t want microchips implanted in us for any reason and we won’t stop till the threat is gone!
http://www.infowars.com/verichip-corp-takes-downturn-in-wake-of-rfid-caner-link/
it's not law, it never even passed the house of representatives.
ok, i can agree with this.
but please stop spreading lies about HB3200 which i repeat was never even passed by the house, much less signed into law by whoever occupied the white house...
peace to you brother, not trying to start anything. i respect you and have always thought well of you my brother.
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SooperSmurph
Seems like something noninvasive but semi-permanent would be doable so that we're not installing in people the chips my cats have in them. A Tyvek bracelet would last for at least a few months, it's the material they make fedex envelopes out of, is hard to damage, can be worn in the shower and washed, and could carry the tag inside it with all the pertinent info. Thought about plastic or rubber at first but there are too many skin irritation problems that could result, the Tyvek material softens over time so it would become more comfortable the longer you wore it.
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SooperSmurph
both parties are jackasses, i could not agree more.
however, republicans wanting to invade my private life, doctors office and bedroom is enough for me to vote for the lesser of two evils, which is currently the dems.
i would love to see more political parties, but repubs and dems have system so manipulated i don't expect to see that in my lifetime.
Personally, I'm more concerned about Bio-Weapons.
The US Gov, is still pumping hundreds of millions into BW research. They say it's about finding treatments etc, but who buys that. The only reason they tracked the Anthrax guy(I don't mean Scott Ian LOL) a few years back, was because it was their Anthrax and he worked for them.
Imagine this scenario, the Government wants to kill someone, but keep it's hands clean. How about a DNA specific virus, something which infects everyone, and is infectious between people, but only the person whose DNA is "Programmed" into it gets sick and dies, everyone else are merely carriers. So an ice cream van drives into the city, spraying virus into the air, it spreads, while everyone is none the wiser until it eventually reaches the target who dies. Scary shit....
And the subject of my upcoming novel.... (not really, have at it Mr Clancy)
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SooperSmurph
The fact that this chipping bill was sponsored by Dems should inform you that that's a lie.both parties are jackasses, i could not agree more.
however, republicans wanting to invade my private life, doctors office and bedroom is enough for me to vote for the lesser of two evils, which is currently the dems.
i would love to see more political parties, but repubs and dems have system so manipulated i don't expect to see that in my lifetime.
One goal, your money, claiming one is the lesser evil just gives them more power.
