my home was raided for a high powerbill!
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here I found this interesting, on page 50 of the linked document.
A remarkable number of electric appliances can be identified by their load signatures, and
with impressive accuracy. Researchers have all but mastered identification of the larger common
household appliances such as water heaters, well pumps, furnace blowers, refrigerators, and air
conditioners, with recognition accuracies approaching perfection.132 Ongoing work focuses now
on the myriad smaller electric devices around the home such as personal computers,133 laser
printers, and differentiating fluorescent from energy-saving light bulbs.134 It also bears noting
here that the success of this kind of load disaggregation is not limited to electric utilities; similar
approaches have been successfully used to break down residential gas use into appliance events
as well.135
If you live in the country there is still hope I guess, since HID's are used all the time for outdoor floodlighting..Other than that, I guess it's time to buy some spiked boots and climb the street light!
also this:
A number of heuristic principles are employed in order to ease the disaggregation of
individual appliance signals from the noise of a household’s total electricity consumption by
framing a backdrop understanding of the total load. For example, the so-called “switch
continuity” principle guides appliance naming by imposing the assumption that, generally, only
one appliance switches on at a time, and that simultaneous appliance events are very rare.130
Employing these procedures for data recording and analysis, a NALM is capable of
providing utilities or researchers with detailed information about the electricity consumption
habits of residents. Figure 5, below, shows a portion of individual’s energy load profile that has
been parsed by a NALM, each edge labeled with the corresponding appliance.
--so there may be a way to trick this meter after all...plenty of good minds out there in the world, they just too busy hacking the newest playstation I guess
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grow nerd
I'm sure glad my meter is dumb as fuck, maybe qualifies for special education.
Listen I don't need to prove shit when I know what I am talking about to begin with. I am glad you found something else to read online to back-up my already accurate information! Grow on, be safe!
great attitude guy
let us not forget police still need a warrant to look at your power info.
I wont delve any further with you as I'm smart enough to know how this plays out
But I will say, at least I'm MAN ENOUGH to admit that I was wrong. But only after I found my own SOURCE.
So you seem to care enough to come back and make petty child-like insults at me, but you couldnt be bothered with a 2 second google to back up your claims (and contrary to your belief..nothing anyone says to me will be presented as fact in my mind, unless they got something to back it up with..)
Anyway, I see where your priorities are, with setting the record straight, and slinging petty insults and all..flame on friend
let us not forget police still need a warrant to look at your power info.
I wont delve any further with you as I'm smart enough to know how this plays out
But I will say, at least I'm MAN ENOUGH to admit that I was wrong. But only after I found my own SOURCE.
So you seem to care enough to come back and make petty child-like insults at me, but you couldnt be bothered with a 2 second google to back up your claims (and contrary to your belief..nothing anyone says to me will be presented as fact in my mind, unless they got something to back it up with..)
Anyway, I see where your priorities are, with setting the record straight, and slinging petty insults and all..flame on friend
let us not forget police still need a warrant to look at your power info.
righttttt
I wont delve any further with you as I'm smart enough to know how this plays out
smart move
But I will say, at least I'm MAN ENOUGH to admit that I was wrong. But only after I found my own SOURCE.
The wheels on the bus go round & round, round & round....
My only intentions here, despite you few flamers who were clueless about this matter, has been to help others stay safe with smart meters when growing the good green herb. For future reference if I am posting about something like this I have already done my due diligence research ahead of time because I actually happen to know what the fuck I am talking about 99 times out of 100, even if I am smoking this bomb ass weed that smells like grapefruit candy!
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Cinderella99
SOTF...Are you telling me my sun system ballast has a smart chip in it? LOL
Seriously, dude, I know my refrig and my stove can talk to each other with this smart chip thing-- I know all about it-- I bought 'em based somewhat on that bluetooth reason...
What pisses me off about their constant back and forth is that I know they're conspiring against me...In fact, yesterday I intercepted a communique and overheard frig say to oven "I have it on the best authority that you're going to be cookin a 4 hour roast tonight...He moved a 10lbs roast from freezer to frig this morning....Sucks to be you, but I wanted to give you a heads up, brother man". Oven says "Yea, f*ck, if that f*ckers gonna work me again, I'm gonna rat to the Smart Meter about him bakin cannabutter cookies the other night..."
Smart Chips don't work like that bro...At least not yet. The money a manufacturer spends to implant a smart chip into an appliance that rolls off the assembly line today is spent with the intent to somehow make the consumer's life easier-- like your refrigerator, based on zero weight recognizes that there are no eggs in the egg holder, so communicates this to a cyber shopping list that exists somewhere. Scary, no doubt, but to make the logical jump that the nature or intent -- or even capability at this point -- of these chips is to report to the central scrutinizing agency (or the CSA
) what potential illicit activities may be transpiring under your rooftop is, imo, ludicrous, my friend. Where the government insists that every appliance is outfitted with a device that can report illicit activity to a central authority is in the Orwellian future. That's not to say that it wouldn't be technologically possible at this point, but how paranoid do you have to be?Quite simply put, there'd be massive outrage towards the gov't mandating these "rat" chips buried in every appliances, because civil liberties would be violated. Do you remember, several years ago when the gov't tried to force bullet manufacturers to implant a unique tag in each bullet that would be able to trace back a bullet used in a homicide to a point of purchase? Huge outrage-- didn't fly (of course w/ a lot of help$$ from the NRA) because it was argued that this was a breach of privacy. To put is simply, the sh*t your suggesting wouldn't fly in this country without you hearing about it.
I used to be in journalism, and when I interviewed the former Chief Counsel to the Warren Commission after the movie JFK came out, he said to me: "There's no way JFK's assassination could be a conspiracy-- because too many people would have had to have been involved, somebody would have blown the whistle by now..." This same rationale-- that somebody would have blown the whistle by now-- is the same reason I don't believe that there are any government conspiracies underway to mandate "ratting" appliances.
The one thing I could (possibly) believe, though, is that certain appliances emit a certain frequency back into the grid that may further differentiate between load types. That I might believe. But 1) I would need evidence that Smart Meters actually read this appliance frequency, break down appliance usage and 2) Smart meters have the capacity to report it to someone who gives a sh*t. Please, no disrespect bro, your posts are really very good and Thank you. Peace.
thatguynotspam
Member
So I read this whole thread, twice, I'm still confused and now scared shitless!! How do I know if I have a smart meter?
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grow nerd
Quiz it. Ask it a few common-sense and other general-knowledge questions, and judge its intelligence based on the responses. You can start with something like...
"What's 2 + 2?"
And finish with maybe "Who was the 37th President of the United States?"
Obviously, if your meter can't even make it past the 1st question, it is safe to consider it dumb. Either that, or no habla Ingles...
"What's 2 + 2?"
And finish with maybe "Who was the 37th President of the United States?"
Obviously, if your meter can't even make it past the 1st question, it is safe to consider it dumb. Either that, or no habla Ingles...
stink.whistler
Member
If it is not digital, it is not a smart meter. Not sure if there are any digital non smart meters, but for sure there aren't any non digital smart meters.
LoudBlunts
Member
im still lost on this power conditioner thing
anybody care to elaborate
thanks to the folks who gave input on thread, very very interesting read here
anybody care to elaborate
thanks to the folks who gave input on thread, very very interesting read here
thatguynotspam
Member
From the reasearch that I've done since finding this thread, a power conditioner isnt going to help against the smart meter, what the power conditioner actually does is clean up the the electricity that has entered your home. Just a big high tech surge protector in a sense. So yes, if someone could explain any benifit in hioding the hid sig than that would be helpfull. Thanks!
thatguynotspam
Member
It would also seem from what info I could find that unless you are running way above the avgerage power usage for a given area than no one is going to see what power signatures are coming from your home. That there isnt anyone looking at what appliances you have. This seems to be right in line with what happend to the guy who started this thread, he doubled his power consumption in just a year, gradual or not. It is my opinion that a small grow i.e.1000w or less will not draw enough power for the system to even hiccup enough to draw any suspicion. Any of you guys more in the know want to confirm or rebut this thinking?
Old time lurker
Member
FLIR, smart meters, and high bills! I dunno about "smart meters", but I've recently switched to a LED light. My temps are now around room temp, and LEDs are s'posed to use less energy. Hopefully I killed 2 birds with one stone on that one, but I don't know squat about meters.
Best of luck to the OP. Hopefully, he can duck out of charges on this. Don't just be limited to CA (altho' the weather would be more like FL). 14 states have med laws and more are considering 'em!
Best of luck to the OP. Hopefully, he can duck out of charges on this. Don't just be limited to CA (altho' the weather would be more like FL). 14 states have med laws and more are considering 'em!
IWanaGetHiSoHi
Active member
Just a suggestion ... Ignore SOTF420 ... you'll thank me ... Unless of course you like to hear Sweet Tooth Sweet Tooth Sweet Tooth all the fucking time ... In fact I'm thinking about killing my Original Sweet Tooth (yeah, BSs first DJs Blueberry stud & SPG crossing) just to spite him.
Mile Hi Dave
Member
Exactly what I was thinking...I may have to order one of these: http://mysolarmall.com/solarpowersupply.aspx and use it only for my grow....
jesus man, i feel for you and wish you the best of luck in the future, i hope you get off and get to move to cali and grow buddy. fuck the laws.
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