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Mail in voting during the pandemic

Gry

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The GOP Is Now Bragging About Voter Suppression
By Tom Hartmann

Voting, Thomas Paine once said, “is the beating heart of democracy.” It’s what makes our democracy possible. Without it, Paine said, “man would be reduced to slavery.”
It’s for this very reason, of course, that conservatives have worked since the founding of our republic to make it harder or downright impossible for people who are not part of the political and economic elite to vote.
This conservative war on voting has taken on a number of different forms, Jim Crow being just the most obvious example, but it has always been based on one simple idea: conservatives lose elections when more people vote, and win elections when fewer people vote.
As American Legislative Exchange Council founder and Reagan advisor Paul Weyrich put it back in 1980, “our leverage in the elections… goes up as the voting populace goes down.”
This has been the thinking behind every conservative voter suppression effort in history.
But conservatives are smart.
They’ve always been careful to disguise their war against voting in language that makes it sound acceptable, at least to the minimally informed.
But every once in a while the mask slips, and conservatives tell the truth about their voter suppression accomplishments.
Well, the mask slipped last night in Wisconsin.
During an interview with a local TV station, Republican Wisconsin Congressman Glenn Grothman admitted the truth about his state’s new voter ID law.
Like all voter suppression laws, Wisconsin’s voter ID law is supposedly about stopping “voting fraud.”
But that’s not what Congressman Grothman said it’s about.
He said it was about making sure Republicans win the Badger State in November.
This actually isn’t the first time a Republican has let the mask slip about voter suppression laws.
Back in 2012, Mike Turzai, the Republican leader of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, said that his state’s new voter ID law would “allow Mitt Romney to win.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=EuOT1bRYdK8&feature=emb_logo

The really revealing thing about that clip and the clip of what Congressman Grothman said last night is the fact that neither the Congressman nor Representative Turzai even bothered to mention voter fraud as the so-called reason for passing voter ID laws.
They just went straight ahead and said that voter suppression laws are about winning elections.
The reason they did this, of course, is that voter fraud is just a canard.
It’s a lie made up by Republicans to justify their unconstitutional and undemocratic war on democracy.
In fact, a recent study out of Loyola University found just 31 credible cases of voter fraud out of more than a billion ballots cast in the decade-and-a-half between 2000 and 2014.
You’re more than 100 times more likely to get struck by lightning than you are to see voter fraud in the wild.
And here’s the thing — while voter fraud itself is for all intents and purposes a myth, the effects of voter suppression are quite real.
A new study out of the University of California at San Diego, for example, found that the turnout gap between Republicans and Democrats in states with voter ID suppression laws jumped from 2.3 to 5.6 percentage points after those voter ID laws went into effect.
There is no debate.
Voter ID suppression laws are about one thing and one thing alone: keeping Democrats away from the polls so Republicans can win. And, in that regard, they work.
Even Republicans will admit that when you catch them on the right day.
And, ironically, the reason Republicans can get away with this is because of slavery. The framers of the US Constitution didn’t put a right to vote into the US Constitution because they were afraid that right might be claimed by slaves, and they didn’t want to get into that sticky wicket.
So how can we protect our democracy from this kind of flagrant and partisan voter suppression?
Well, for one, restore the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to full strength.
Ever since the right-wingers on the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act back in 2013, Republicans in the old Confederacy have had free reign to suppress the vote of millions of their own citizens.
That needs to stop, and Congress should get its act together right now and fix the Voting Rights Act.
But we need to go farther than that.
Today’s war on voting isn’t just based in the South; it’s national.
That’s why it’s time to enshrine an affirmative right to vote in the US Constitution, right along with the right to free speech, the right to due process and the right to equal protection under the law.
The beating heart of democracy is in grave danger. Let’s keep it safe from those who would wish to destroy it.
Let’s make voting a constitutional right.
https://truthout.org/articles/the-gop-is-now-bragging-about-voter-suppression/
 

packerfan79

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"Now many of our Christians have what I call the 'goo-goo syndrome.' Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." —Paul Weyrich, 1980

Want proof that Republicans want to suppress voters? Just ask Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ublicans-want-suppress-voters-just-ask-trump/

Republicans Admit They Lose When Elections Are Fair and Free
https://billmoyers.com/story/coronavirus-voting-rights-election-gerrymandering/

The GOP War on Voting
In a campaign supported by the Koch brothers, Republicans are working to prevent millions of Democrats from voting next year
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-gop-war-on-voting-242182/

How the GOP Plans to Suppress the Vote and Sabotage the ...
Blocking ballots, intimidating voters, spreading misinformation — undermining democracy is at the heart of Trump’s 2020 campaign
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-campaign-2020-voter-suppression-consent-decree-1028988/

Top Trump adviser: Republicans have 'always' relied on voter suppression
‘Traditionally, it’s always been Republicans suppressing votes’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/21/trump-adviser-republicans-voter-suppression

In leaked audio, a top Trump adviser said the Republican party has 'traditionally' relied on voter suppression
https://www.businessinsider.com/lea...s-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12

Republicans Now Just Admitting They Want Fewer Americans To Vote As Trump and his GOP allies battle Democratic proposals to make voting safer in the age of coronavirus, they’re being open about how increased turnout could hurt them at the ballot box.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...t-admitting-they-want-fewer-americans-to-vote

How Republicans in North Carolina Knowingly Suppressed Voting
What Early Voting in North Carolina Actually Reveals
Some counties succeeded in suppressing voter turnout—but there’s much more to the story.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...MI5dXT4J2b6wIVTfDACh3Zqg40EAMYAiAAEgJr-_D_BwE

I guess I should have clarified, facts not opinion from your sources and you.

Gerrymandering is bipartisan, as much as you pretend it's not.

Voter id should be bipartisan, unless you want voter fraud. I guess we know what you desire.
 

Gry

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I guess I should have clarified, facts not opinion from your sources and you.

Gerrymandering is bipartisan, as much as you pretend it's not.

Voter id should be bipartisan, unless you want voter fraud. I guess we know what you desire.
If you don't wish to acknowledge the legitimacy of a US court, that is your prerogative,
the material is there for the world to read.
The balance of the posts contain the words of republicans right out of the horses mouth so to speak.
Not real sure how you could describe them as my opinion.
The madam lulu routine does not fit you well.
 

EsterEssence

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The new postmaster general is removing mail sorting machines to slow the mail down, how obvious that this guy is a stoolie for the regime.
 

Midnight Tokar

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The new postmaster general is removing mail sorting machines to slow the mail down, how obvious that this guy is a stoolie for the regime.
According to the Postmaster Generals financial disclosures he has $30 million dollars invested in XPO who does sorting and tracking work for the PO.....this corruption just gets deeper and deeper!
 

Amynamous

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did Jamie Lee Curtis tell you that one?

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamieleecurtis/status/1293246051772588032

I know they’re part of the main stream media, but:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/usps-warns-46-states-cannot-guarantee-mail-in-ballots-will-arrive-in-time-for-election
 

packerfan79

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I know they’re part of the main stream media, but:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/usps-warns-46-states-cannot-guarantee-mail-in-ballots-will-arrive-in-time-for-election

Exactly, why put the country in a position to have significant election issues.

Mask work right. Biden said it. So, people can go to the polls and vote.

Florida spent 5 years setting up their mail in election process. If you want to start the process of setting up mail in voting thats great, but trying to do it in 50 different states (per the constitution elections are handled by the state) in 80 days, thats a non starter.

It's going to cause chaos in the streets. I can only assume the Democrats want the violence and chaos, or they are just completely inept.
 

Switcher56

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I am sorry! you Americans/yanks, deserve what you get!!

No one talks about the issues, which encompasses, the whole shit show propagated!

... and your solution is?
 

armedoldhippy

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then they need to change the rules RE acceptance dates/times. if folks vote & the USPS does not deliver them "on time", then the election should not be over until those votes DO get there/counted. you cannot let one party disenfranchise another parties voters because they don't like the way they voted. this goes for BOTH PARTIES! cutting voting sites/hours/early voting etc is bogus as fuck...one eligible voter, one vote. unless proven fraudulent, count them all. let the chips fall where they may, and the person with the most votes wins. aint that how it is supposed to work?:headbange
 

Midnight Tokar

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Exactly, why put the country in a position to have significant election issues.

Mask work right. Biden said it. So, people can go to the polls and vote.

Florida spent 5 years setting up their mail in election process. If you want to start the process of setting up mail in voting thats great, but trying to do it in 50 different states (per the constitution elections are handled by the state) in 80 days, thats a non starter.

It's going to cause chaos in the streets. I can only assume the Democrats want the violence and chaos, or they are just completely inept.
31 states already have either all mail voting or no-excuses mail-in voting, of which more than half are Red states. Saying it took Florida 5 years to set-up mail-in voting shouldn't be much of a surprise.
 

packerfan79

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31 states already have either all mail voting or no-excuses mail-in voting, of which more than half are Red states. Saying it took Florida 5 years to set-up mail-in voting shouldn't be much of a surprise.

If they have a mail in voting system that is tested and proven great. If not quit being a cry baby put a mask on and vote. Or don't I really don't care.
 

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Switcher56

Comfortably numb!
If they have a mail in voting system that is tested and proven great. If not quit being a cry baby put a mask on and vote. Or don't I really don't care.
:headbange

The great USA, "we are better than the rest of the world". Reminds me of an old saying. If 9 out of 10 people think your an a$$hole, you probably are! Pffft! A blind man can see results before the poles, and I despise tRump! No one is leading by example! Just saying...
 

armedoldhippy

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:headbange

The great USA, "we are better than the rest of the world". Reminds me of an old saying. If 9 out of 10 people think your an a$$hole, you probably are! Pffft! A blind man can see results before the poles, and I despise tRump! No one is leading by example! Just saying...

they ARE leading by example. it is just that they are horrible fucking examples...
 

Ringodoggie

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What's the difference who is President. All you people are going to do is hate on them and blame them for your own shortcomings, anyway.

The American people don't need a leader. They need a puppet that they can blame and hate and throw mud at. You might as well put Howdy Doody in the White House.

The American People have really turned into shit. All you do is hate. When I think of all the people I killed in the name of PATRIOTISM I get sick. To think that all those people had to die just so a bunch of people can freely hate.

Peace and Love folks. Hate simply isn't going to work. Can't anyone see that but me?


EDIT: It's extra sad that a person who has killed humans for a living for most of his life has to tell you to love each other. I guess life really does go full circle. You people better quit it. You're just about out of time.







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