Any condition which is disruptive to a normal lifestyle. Disruptive could even mean distracting.
Limiting the number of dispensaries
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Any condition which is disruptive to a normal lifestyle. Disruptive could even mean distracting.
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texsativa
This is a cultural thing. We have been raised in an era where marijuana was prohibited. Lifting prohibition and changing the mindset of many is not an easy thing to do. For a large part, people do not like change.
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whiterasta
LOL @ California! Too much of a good thing and in Oregon not enough. Those who CAN grow well are not allowed to do so and even if they could OMMA does not provide for a way to distribute effectively and legally while compensating the grower.
The problem I can see from a little north is ya'll have lot's of growers and lots of cannabis, but the price is still black market.A freer more competitive market would quickly change that.I know I can produce #1 grade meds for ~75$US/oz and still make a lower middle class income as a one man show, but state law does not allow for it. I have to laugh as I know dozens of locals who would jump at the chance to make that kind of money,and dozens of friends in cali who would get a different line of work if that was the most a grower could get.
I guess in some ways not having the for profit aspect is good as any type of psuedo-dispensary that exists has to be a 501c non-profit and really watch the books. Although ususally it is a club type system and dues are required and they still charge black market prices.
I guess where I am going is..
first of all it is an herb not a drug
using cannabis is an herbal remedy
Cannabis is an overbred weed and grows everywhere
Cost of producing High grade cannabis is risk driven over production cost.
By leaving it in the grey area it has become possibly the most expensive herbal remedyand the largest in dollars cash crop grown
An open market would drop the price to levels that would be much more in line with a normal commodity(note I did not use medication as it is an herbal remedy not a medicine aka drug)
An open market would invite control by state agriculture
An open market would set quality standards
An open market would create competitive pricing
An open market would allow access to all patients
An open market would be open to regulation( preferably from within the industry)
finally an open market would create multiple niche markets from farmed commercial grades to elite small scale micro-growers much like beer and quickly crash a ridiculous system still based on black market pricing of an easily produced herb.The market would then determine how many outlets would exist and patients would not continue the monetary rape that all these "med" laws do not want to address.
As some one who was chased from garbertown to laytonville over three days by the advent of CAMP helicopters and has been on the black market side in my past I say that the fact that med laws have not changed the price of cannabis significantly at the patient level is the biggest Fuckall of the whole shitting shebang.
As for who can get a rec from a Dr for nothing, what makes it any fucking worse than the guy who lies about ED to score some Viagra? Or any other pleasure seeking reason. The problem if it exists is that Dr's think they are the keepers of the keys to such pleasure/relief/cures that exist and have made a huge industry surounding it that they protect vigorously.
I say don't blame the purposely vague wording of the law if any "blame" must go any where it MUST lie with the ones holding the keys and are so willing to sell them.
All that said I repeat cannabis is an herbal remedy and as such does not even belong in the hands of those who are shills for the phamaceutical industry. if indeed a recomendation is needed then it should come from a ND or an hebalist
As for the hangnail problem, there are folks who have persistant problems with hangnails who would greatly benefit from a cannabis based lotion to help prevent the associated infections.
These are usually Staff, Strep, Psuedomonas,etc and all are supressed by cannabis. The hygroscopic nature of the resin also maintains moisture in the callous helping to heal the split skin.
I assure you all as a diabetic even fully healthy young adults have died as a result of a minor Staff or Strep infection. Cannabis supresses even MRSA and is highlt effective against strep( 2x zone of inhibition as Amoxicillin!)
Cannabis,Great for hangnails!
WR
The problem I can see from a little north is ya'll have lot's of growers and lots of cannabis, but the price is still black market.A freer more competitive market would quickly change that.I know I can produce #1 grade meds for ~75$US/oz and still make a lower middle class income as a one man show, but state law does not allow for it. I have to laugh as I know dozens of locals who would jump at the chance to make that kind of money,and dozens of friends in cali who would get a different line of work if that was the most a grower could get.
I guess in some ways not having the for profit aspect is good as any type of psuedo-dispensary that exists has to be a 501c non-profit and really watch the books. Although ususally it is a club type system and dues are required and they still charge black market prices.
I guess where I am going is..
first of all it is an herb not a drug
using cannabis is an herbal remedy
Cannabis is an overbred weed and grows everywhere
Cost of producing High grade cannabis is risk driven over production cost.
By leaving it in the grey area it has become possibly the most expensive herbal remedyand the largest in dollars cash crop grown
An open market would drop the price to levels that would be much more in line with a normal commodity(note I did not use medication as it is an herbal remedy not a medicine aka drug)
An open market would invite control by state agriculture
An open market would set quality standards
An open market would create competitive pricing
An open market would allow access to all patients
An open market would be open to regulation( preferably from within the industry)
finally an open market would create multiple niche markets from farmed commercial grades to elite small scale micro-growers much like beer and quickly crash a ridiculous system still based on black market pricing of an easily produced herb.The market would then determine how many outlets would exist and patients would not continue the monetary rape that all these "med" laws do not want to address.
As some one who was chased from garbertown to laytonville over three days by the advent of CAMP helicopters and has been on the black market side in my past I say that the fact that med laws have not changed the price of cannabis significantly at the patient level is the biggest Fuckall of the whole shitting shebang.
As for who can get a rec from a Dr for nothing, what makes it any fucking worse than the guy who lies about ED to score some Viagra? Or any other pleasure seeking reason. The problem if it exists is that Dr's think they are the keepers of the keys to such pleasure/relief/cures that exist and have made a huge industry surounding it that they protect vigorously.
I say don't blame the purposely vague wording of the law if any "blame" must go any where it MUST lie with the ones holding the keys and are so willing to sell them.
All that said I repeat cannabis is an herbal remedy and as such does not even belong in the hands of those who are shills for the phamaceutical industry. if indeed a recomendation is needed then it should come from a ND or an hebalist
As for the hangnail problem, there are folks who have persistant problems with hangnails who would greatly benefit from a cannabis based lotion to help prevent the associated infections.
These are usually Staff, Strep, Psuedomonas,etc and all are supressed by cannabis. The hygroscopic nature of the resin also maintains moisture in the callous helping to heal the split skin.
I assure you all as a diabetic even fully healthy young adults have died as a result of a minor Staff or Strep infection. Cannabis supresses even MRSA and is highlt effective against strep( 2x zone of inhibition as Amoxicillin!)
Cannabis,Great for hangnails!
WR
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texsativa
I would only caution the wording of drug. Drugs produce physiological responses. Caffeine is a drug, nicotine is a drug, alcohol is a drug, cannabis is a drug, herbal remedies are drugs.
By the way not knocking you.
By the way not knocking you.
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whiterasta
I would only caution the wording of drug. Drugs produce physiological responses. Caffeine is a drug, nicotine is a drug, alcohol is a drug, cannabis is a drug, herbal remedies are drugs.
By the way not knocking you.
It's cool. But I have to disagree cannabis is the herb, cannabinoids are the pro-drugs within that when separated from the plant become drugs. That line of reasoning is very dangerous as many things we eat each day contain pro-drugs and produce physiological responses, cayenne, horseradish,poppy seed and nutmeg for example would be drugs by your definition as all produce prominant physiological responses and do contain substances that when extracted are in fact drugs.
Not trying to split hairs here just keeping things in their place. If we begin to define plants as drugs then far too many plants would have to be labled as such and only labling the popular ones drugs is inaccurate.
until some deep paradigm shifts occur in the perception of bodily systems, cannabis medicine is just herbal therapy, very effective herbal therapy
WR
Let me ask you a question first. Why is it that when someone has a differing opinion, the other almost always thinks that person is "against" or the enemy?
No, I am not. I am against people who make a mockery out of it for personal gain that hurts the MMJ movement. Read my signature. It is plain as day. Want to know more about me and what I have contributed to the growers here, filter my name for my posts or start at my signature.
how many liquer stores are there in LA???
like saying there can only be 4.
gov cant do anything right.
like saying there can only be 4.
gov cant do anything right.
Your comment was that someone can die from a hangnail. Sure, comment alone, but your comment was in support of the ongoing argument. Your argument was supportive to the argument, therefore, was argument.
You used a hangnail in your comment/argument. Then you state "sure people who use that are exaggerating." Then what did you do? -- exaggerated.
So you know, far from old man -- late twenties here. It's the first time I have seen you cop out; you usually can't resist. At least you would get some immature name calling in. If those are your reasons, then why do you love to lock horns with BD. Is it harder to oppose me? Come on, I like the intellectual exercise.
How about this for seriously ill?
Definition of Serious Health Condition
A. Illness, injury, impairment, physical or mental condition that involves one or more of the following:
1. Inpatient care in a hospital, hospice, residential medical care facility for treatment, recovery, subsequent treatment in
connection with the inpatient care.
2. Continuing treatment for:
a. a period of incapacity (inability to work, attend school, perform regular daily activities) for more than 3 consecutive
calendar days if the period of incapacity also involves treatment two or more times by a health care
provider followed by a regimen of continuing treatment under the supervision of a health care
provider. Regimen includes a course of prescription medication or therapy requiring special
equipment to resolve or alleviate the serious health condition, e.g., oxygen.
b. a period of incapacity due to chronic serious health condition. A chronic condition is one which (1) requires periodic
visits for treatment by a health care provider; (2) continues over an extended period of time; and (3)
may cause episode rather than a continuing period of incapacity, e.g., asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, etc.
c. a period of incapacity which is permanent or long term due to a condition for which treatment may not be effective
such as Alzheimer’s, a severe stroke, terminal stages of a disease.
d. Medical intervention, such as chemotherapy, dialysis, etc.
Not Included in Definition of Serious Health Condition
A. Ordinary cosmetic treatments, the common cold, flu, ear aches, upset stomach, minor ulcers, headaches, routine dental problems are
not serious health conditions. Mental illness, stress or allergies are not a serious health condition unless all other conditions are met
B. Substance abuse is not a serious health condition unless treatment by a health care provider is involved.
C. Over the counter medication, bed rest, exercise, and other similar activities that can be initiated without a visit to a health care
provider are not, by themselves, a regimen or treatment.
D. Treatment does not include routine medical, physical, eye, or dental exams.
Definition of Serious Health Condition
A. Illness, injury, impairment, physical or mental condition that involves one or more of the following:
1. Inpatient care in a hospital, hospice, residential medical care facility for treatment, recovery, subsequent treatment in
connection with the inpatient care.
2. Continuing treatment for:
a. a period of incapacity (inability to work, attend school, perform regular daily activities) for more than 3 consecutive
calendar days if the period of incapacity also involves treatment two or more times by a health care
provider followed by a regimen of continuing treatment under the supervision of a health care
provider. Regimen includes a course of prescription medication or therapy requiring special
equipment to resolve or alleviate the serious health condition, e.g., oxygen.
b. a period of incapacity due to chronic serious health condition. A chronic condition is one which (1) requires periodic
visits for treatment by a health care provider; (2) continues over an extended period of time; and (3)
may cause episode rather than a continuing period of incapacity, e.g., asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, etc.
c. a period of incapacity which is permanent or long term due to a condition for which treatment may not be effective
such as Alzheimer’s, a severe stroke, terminal stages of a disease.
d. Medical intervention, such as chemotherapy, dialysis, etc.
Not Included in Definition of Serious Health Condition
A. Ordinary cosmetic treatments, the common cold, flu, ear aches, upset stomach, minor ulcers, headaches, routine dental problems are
not serious health conditions. Mental illness, stress or allergies are not a serious health condition unless all other conditions are met
B. Substance abuse is not a serious health condition unless treatment by a health care provider is involved.
C. Over the counter medication, bed rest, exercise, and other similar activities that can be initiated without a visit to a health care
provider are not, by themselves, a regimen or treatment.
D. Treatment does not include routine medical, physical, eye, or dental exams.
This is exactly where your age shows its weakness. You are too young to remember when Dan Lungren as the California Attorney General proudly announced that people can get Medical Marijuana for a hangnail if prop 215 passed. It was a scare tactic that backfired in their face and us stoners get to benefit from forever.
Oh and the definition of Seriously Ill means jack squat moot shit nothing. Because
It simply requires a doctors approval and it's up to the physicians to choose if weed will make a person feel better. Ina world where prozac and zoloft are pushed on the masses to make everyone happy why the fuck are supposed stoners arguing the merits of 215?
I know about the "hangnail" thing, and if I didn't already, it has been brought up in this thread already. That is where my reading retention shows! Age?
I know "seriously ill"means jack shit. Did you not read my post just a few up about how the section contradicts itself???
I brought up the question for discussion for us to speculate on why it was written into the section if it serves no purpose? Do you get that?
I personally disassociate from the label stoner and prefer MMJ user. Stoner is too closely associated with a recreational user.
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dongle69
Ah, one of life's rhetorical questions...
I'm not sure how it hurts the movement if it already in place?
Medical devil weed is already legal with prop 215.
Can sick people not get their meds now because others are abusing the system (under your judgment)?
Please tell us who how this devil weed is to be used medicinally so we don't ruffle any feathers.
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whiterasta
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texsativa
It's cool. But I have to disagree cannabis is the herb, cannabinoids are the pro-drugs within that when separated from the plant become drugs. That line of reasoning is very dangerous as many things we eat each day contain pro-drugs and produce physiological responses, cayenne, horseradish,poppy seed and nutmeg for example would be drugs by your definition as all produce prominant physiological responses and do contain substances that when extracted are in fact drugs.
Not trying to split hairs here just keeping things in their place. If we begin to define plants as drugs then far too many plants would have to be labled as such and only labling the popular ones drugs is inaccurate.
until some deep paradigm shifts occur in the perception of bodily systems, cannabis medicine is just herbal therapy, very effective herbal therapy
WR
Point noted
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Blue Dot
YES, here in San Diego Bonnie Dumanis believes dispensaries are abusing the system so she shut them down and now I, as a patient, don't have access to those meds.
Direct cause and effect.
Stop abusing the system people so patients like me and everyone else can have access to meds.
There are several Dispensaries operating in San Diego-- Do I really need to post them? Or can you follow a link??
http://www.cannashops.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=212
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dongle69
That is the error of Bonnie Dumanis, not the other patients that you don't feel deserve medicinal devil weed.
Many would say that you are abusing the system by smoking weed for your headaches.
Do you listen to them?
Are all of these places really shut down?
http://www.sandiegocannabisclubs.com/directory/
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Blue Dot
It's not the error of the "other patients" it's the error of the dispensaries that are abusing the system.
No, no one would say that, not even a doctor.
I suffer from cluster headaches, not just "regular" headaches.
Cluster headaches are also known as "suicide" headaches because many patients kill themselves becasue they can't take the extreme pain.
I'd call that a 'serious" medical condition.
I try to stay away from "grey area" clubs. They're already shady enough.
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Blue Dot
You're both missing my point.
Piss off the populace enough (by angering them with all the abuse of 215) and they will find a way to stop what you (we) are doing.
That's a pretty common thread thru history.
