Krispy Kreme Doughnuts

[Miraculous Meds]

Thank god ! aha was freaking the fuck out about the temps

thought I was going to have to buy a a/c system and drop major dough.

thanks fellas for helping out


Solution was simple:


Made a passive intake into the flower room from outside. the size of the passive intake was like 2 12" vents and works like a charm. With all the negative pressure from the two exhaust fans running now not really worried about temps or odor (got two filters attached to both exhausts). the passive intake vents bring in the cold air from outside works perfectly you guys fucking rock.

Pics going up soon


One question for you donutheads



Do you guys lollipop these ladies or let those low branches fill in. Is after the two week stretch when you start chopping out branches that wont hit light and start tying down branches to screens etc.

Ive kind of always let the ladies do their own thing the first two weeks then I start pruning/tying down etc.



AJAE

good deal on the temp control, it can be a pita sometimes.

On training, u have to plan to fill in ur canopy. So if u can use those lower branches in ur canopy then leave them on, I do in my situation.

Take any branch that u know isn't going to work in the canopy, remember u can always take more later when u know u have ur canopy filled.

I suggest not tying down to early because it tends to slow growth, unless ur over veg'd and it might be a benefit to slow the stretch.

whats ur goal for canopy width and length, that will help u plan what u want to do.

example: I have stacked 600's. With a 7' ceiling and 18" of plant and system, I have a little less than 5.5' to grow in height. Since my 600's will cover that or close to it, then I leave the bottom branches on otherwise id be taking away branches that could fill all of my vert height. Ive had 10g pop bottle colas on the very bottom branch that had a stem no thicker than a coffee straw.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Promised pics

Ladies greening back up when transplanted from dome to solo cups. Have been giving them full 6/9 feedings everyday



Doughnut hempy bucket set up


AJAE

 

[Miraculous Meds]

Cool, have u done hempy's before?

Are u on a f/d table?

what strains r u running?

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

10g nugg off a puny coffee straw branch now that is good to know ! lol


Yes they are sitting on tables and drain into a bucket below the tables.

DTW handwater currently.

Obviously the hempy buckets will be watered DTW too. might even set up drippers if I can in my budget this round.

Yes ive run hempy buckets once before and fell in love with them right away. Retro got me on the hempy train and idk if ill be getting off anytime soon


1st monocropped run ever = kksc



AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Alright so i whipped out the triple action neem oil last night because I havent got my predators yet decided to get them when I put the solos into hempy buckets and wanted to use an organic preventative


Havent used this neem in a min but I dont remember my ladies looking that unhappy afterwards
How you guys using this shit ?


I did 15ml per gal and just dunked them. I raised my lights too. No crazy damage I just dont remember the leaves getting so waxy. I misted them with plain h20 this morning at lights out and like 75% of the waxy effect is gone and they look alot better. Ill see when the lights come on


Maybe the dunks clog up to much stomata ? maybe I should just stick with misting with a sprayer at lights out fellas ? maybe the raising the lights wasnt enough and the dunking was too much


AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Update : that neem oil def took a toll on my babes sadly user error. Anyways just going to put me back a week or two at max no biggie.


I will say this if anyone lands up seeing negative effects from a neem oil drench/spray its prob from a user error and clogging up the stomata. Water worked ok at rinsing the neem off but took a couple of rinses.

What really worked was dr bronners castile soap (peppermint) mixed in with the water. Shit worked like magic and within one rinse basically all of the neem was off. Plants are finally looking better. Will shoot some new pics in a couple days when they start taking off again.



AJAE

 

[StankyBeamer]

This is why I've been using neem as a root drench rather than a spray. It can be harmful either way, but it's systemically absorbed much better through the roots so you can use less, spraying neem on my canopy has wreaked havoc in the past. 10ml/gallon with a drip of dawn seems to do fine in my garden, I shake the piss out of it before I water each plant, and I don't give em too much neem water, just enough to see runoff start, no need for any significant runoff untill the next watering without neem, to get all that nasty oil off your roots

 

[Miraculous Meds]

The trick with neem is even application. I warm up the water and shake the neem solution vigorously to get even application.

 

[SmellyFlorist]

AJAE, watsup.... How your girls doing after that spray? Hopefully they've come back nicely... Best wishes to you and your garden... cant wait to see that clone you've got monocropped...
Smelly....

 

[DeoXy]

I gotta admit I'm a bit disappointed... given the thread title my stoned fat ass thought there would be krispy cream doughnuts haha.. real talk though it's looking good so far .. been wanting to try vert for a while.. maybe 2015 will be the year

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Whats up everyone right on for stopping by


So my ladies are slowly bouncing back now thankfully. I totally fucked up with all this school stuff on my plate its killing me only got a couple more weeks left then its garden garden garden garden all on break. this med school shit is no joke ahahaha fucking million flashcards i swear anyways


So i originally sprayed with neem cause I saw spots on a top fan leaf so I automatically thought spidermites since I didnt get the predators.

Well The improper neem application didnt help ahaha and the ladies didnt appreciate that but they got over it once I rinsed the leaves. I now know the proper way to neem.

So more and more spots starting coming and then I was like wtf now. Well If I had been spending more time in my room I would have been able to diagnose the ladies correctly.

No the spots werent mite bites they were rust spots. Ca. Def.

Didnt come to me at first because Ive been spending the bare minimal time on the grow. I relooked at them saw leaves super dark green and given off that eagles talon look.

Fuck first time I gave the ladies full strength right from the dome to the coco. Maybe should have done half strength the first week. Anyways so the nitro tox. locking out the Calcium is why the rust spots came up.


So I cut the last feeding down to .6 ec will give the ladies this for a couple watering until they come back. then ill bump it up slowly back up to 1.0-1.2ec


Hoping this nitro tox. wont put me back too much... well lesson learned need to spend more time in the grow and with the ladies. Good eye opener and thankfully its still early .


Next update wont be until a week exactly 7 days fellas and then ill post some pics of the ladies. Theyll be back on full course by then


AJAE

 

[Stayfoolish]

Less is more
Slow down a bit and realize you can handle all of it no worries.
Sometimes it's best to just give the plants some water for a bit and let them be plants.
Pce.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Quick update: LADIES back in full stride almost after lowering ec to .6 ec

Thank god.... no pics until I said though aha sorry guys



AJAE

 

[SmellyFlorist]

Thats real good to hear brah..... Ill be waiting here eagerly for that drop......

 

[SmellyFlorist]

Hey brah... Hope schools been treating you well.....?? How your coughs doing...... Pics please......
Best wish's.......

Smelly

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Hey yall ! i give myself a pat on the back for being able to stay away from the mag for so long lol

Yes pics will come as soon as I get new batteries for my camera at the store this morning


I will say this for anyone who's feeling down that their plants arent looking the best

with patience and exp. things will come along I promise you.

I can testify to this haha all the past fuckups just give you a little more exp. just like any craft. Keep doing it and youll get better and better at becoming one with your ladies.


Anyways:


So if you have been following the neem oil and my plants did not mix well this run in early veg which totally put them back a couple weeks. Was a user error. And the ladies didnt like the full strength 6/9 early on either lol too much juice for em didnt notice that nitrogen was building up =nitrogen tox. Went half strength and then mag def happened lol was kicking myself so went back to the basics and sat down and wrote some shit out.




Anyways fast forward a bit and now my ladies are finally thriving. They are in 2 gallon hempys now and youll see them up close in the pics.

Epsom foliar brought em back quick from the mg def if anyone was wondering 1tsp/gal works wonders for me.

So like I said I sat down looked at the numbers/ratios of 6/9 and taylored it to this for my veg.


Half strength= around .6 ec too low mg def showed quick
full strength= around 1.2 too high nitrogen tox. in veg

3/4 strength 6/9 alone also would show mg def too

So i added .5g per gal. of epsom salt which put it right back in range for the MG


So I fill up 4 gal of tap water (50ppm/<.1ec)

18ml micro
27ml bloom
1.5g epsome salt

ec around .9-1.0ec


Been golden ever since will cut epsom salt in bloom once they get full strength 6/9.




PICS COMING !!!!

Schools been excellent too only 3 more weeks left grind grind grind




AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Alright fellas so im hoping you vets can help me out.

Ok so everything was going well but then half of the hempy buckets never took really off

12 of them took off really well under 1 600w in their hempys....now there greening up a bit too much again though from the 1.2 ec full 6/9. These KKSC really dont like the 1.2ec full 6/9 at all in veg. its unreal they get nitro. tox if I give them it for more than a couple waterings. So ill bump it down to .6 ec for the next watering and slowly work it up by a .1ec every week or if i see they need more. With .6 ec for too long ill get mg def so i will add 1g of epsom salt just in case. NO MORE 1.2 EC FROM START TO FINISH!!!! just doesnt work for me guys KKSC must be a picky beezy.

How are you vets running full strength 6/9 from clone to finish I cant do that without gettting a nitrogen tox. !!! am i doing some rookie shit ? doubt it


The other 12 I watered them and they fucking choked the next morning. After another day there leaves started flattening back up. I know it had to do with a heavy watering/user error. I havent ever run hempys on large scale only on a mom or two a couple years back.

Guess you could say im rusty and need a lil work/refreshing lol

So hempy bucket vets like RETRO please give me your input.


I fucked up on transplanting how are you guys doing this ?

I put the clone into the pre charged coco hempy bucket.

Do you guys then give a watering right away once the clones transplanted even though the cocos already wet & charged ?

Next:

Are you guys letting the coco dry out ?

In smarties which I have used
for Idk how long lol I let the coco dry out the first couple of days on transplant to let the roots catch never had one plant that never caught and got roots established.

SO i went back to the basics and went to the hempy thread

In the hempy thread it says to water the freshly transplanted clone everyday until the roots hit the rez. Does this mean Im supposed to be watering the freshly transplanted clone everyday until water comes out the hole. This doesnt sound right at all My coco would still be wet the next day after a fresh transplant and then Im going to give even more water until runoff out the hole ? Thats so much water no wonder my roots didnt catch lol I know im misunderstanding the proper procedure so please guys help me i hate looking at sad plants.

Im pretty sure you guys are going to tell me that im right I fucked up ahaha

Im guessing when watering daily on initial transplant your supposed to water only a little around the edges not water everyday until runoff out of the hole on the bottom.

Now that would make sense as I think it says in the hempy thread that there should be no water in the rez until you get a lot of roots down there correct ?


I thought this hempy bucket was supposed to be easy !! it seems like it goes against every thing Ive done in smarties/reg pots.

Damn MIRAC i see what you mean now... I guess I dont know how to run hempys properly like I thought I did. Well it sucks because half my babes look overwatered and are yellow. and the other half took off just need to lower the ec.


So I really feel sketch now guys going into a flower with the 12 hempy buckets that are looking pretty good. I dont feel confident at all tbh now aha

I almost wish I just stuck to smarties not because their superior to hempys but because I have more exp. with them plain and simple.

Now that my friends is a rookie mistake :

going large scale on something your not comfortable with lol


So whats my plan now ?

Well my priority is getting a kick ass flower room going asap !

I almost feel like I should scrap everything thats veggin in hempy buckets and take new clones as fixing shit usually takes too long.

And not to mention

I have zero confidence in my hempy bucket skills im a hempy failure as of right now lol

This hempy mess up put me back big time and my grandpa is pretty disappointed too.


I def want to get this hempy bucket shit down because Ive seen it with my own two eyes work in the past just need to get the basics down.

So whats the fastest way to get back into flower ?

well i guess that means more numbers less veg right fellas....

I originally was going to do 6 plants like HGOs doughnuts run to waste

I think he vegged for 30 days. I was thinking that if I maybe upped it to 8 plants in 2 gal.smarties around each 600w

I could potentially shorten my veg time to perhaps 21 days ?

what do you guys think about this ? will I need ten around each light to do this. I just want to get this rolling and recover from this asap

14 days ez cloner
21 days veg.

basically a little over a month back which I can deal with if this gives me confidence as Ill be using my good ol smarties in this doughnut set up until I can get the hempy bucket down.

I will be putting 1 hempy bucket in my flower room this upcoming round though so please hempy lovers give me a hand in getting this procedure down. It seems like hempys are complete opposites of smarties.

If I can get this 1 hempy bucket down to perfection this upcoming round then I will do a comparison for you IC'ers interested in both styles of growing. Half room of hempys half room of smarties both 2 gal




Ill post the pics of the 12 hempys that were doing well before they get chopped for clones if anyone was interested to see how healthy they were growing. Just wish I other 12 could have taken off too oh well you live and you learn

Got a lot of cloning to do tonight fellas better get started.

No rapidstarters either this round fellas lol Going with the ez cloner as I got finals coming up for school.

Big thanks to everyone whos been helping me out along my way to.
I promise you guys this threads just starting and I will give you guys a show with these smarties.

Im not bucket head yet sadly




AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Ok so read my post above before reading the one :


Lights on for a couple hours and the 12 that looked choked are perking up now and slowly recovering. the yellowing is going away and the leaves are straightening out.

So in conclusion I know my watering habits in this hempy is what is fucking them up.


I shouldnt be watering so heavy until run off out the hole huh fellas ? I feel that in veg hempy buckets arent supposed to have water in the rez thats more in flowering when the roots are established to give the grower some ease on watering less often.

Im guessing until flower I should treat these buckets like a smarty and let them dry out to let the roots really get established ? no water in the rez which in turn means little run off until a shit load of roots ? I look at the hole of the hempys that look happy and I can see a couple roots. but the ones that looked chocked earlier dont have any roots near the hole. So that probably explains alot lol


Hempy heads please clarify this. Ill post the pics of the 12 that are happy and the 12 that arent.

I actually think ill hold off on the clone cutting until you guys post back because Im pretty sure they can bouce back with your guys help on this whole watering issue because letting them dry out is already showing improvement.

so...I will be watering with a little runoff next watering with a .6-.7 ec. I wont be keeping the rez filled in the bucket until I see a flood of roots and they start asking for it.


im glad there bouncing back because a week of recovering is way better than starting from scratch again for a dumb watering mistake.

the 12 that got chocked out will be behind the other 12 by a couple weeks but thats ok because I wanted to do it staggered to begin with so that I could harvest every month rather than every 2 months.


AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

Yea so this thread is far from dead.

Back from the dead lets say shall we ?

Landed up scratching buckets switched a circle of them to smarties now I have 4 vigorous kksc moms back in the smarties on 6/9 . Shits coming later today.

Also have a fresh tray of fully rooted cuttings. Root porn coming for all you root fiends too.

Got an early start on 2015 I like to say. Hopefully some hempy heads can walk me through there process from clone to final bucket. I obviously didnt succeed in those too well lol so im sticking with all smarties in this doughnut round but would like to put one in there to practice with.

Anyways happy holidays ic mag and ill post some naughtys tonight.


AJAE

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

My grandfather landed up breaking his ankle last week so he wont be able to help me out this week so ive got alot on my plate with transplanting but I got a itunes giftcard for xmas so might have to buy a new cd to listen to while working

anyways heres the promised photos. Any questions shoot away

by the way happy holidays everyone feels good to be back




AJAE