International study results in 'raised psychosis risk'.

[SirTOKESalot]

On the radio, Also went on to say how today's "Street" pot is laced with chemicals that make you more high, and hurt your brain and body more.....

Also said that if your smoking before your 50 years old you will 100% get your self a psychotic illness, and that that's just the way today weed is. To strong so he erges everyone that has tried marijuana, never to try it again because you might end up in the ward.

They try and jump on any stupid little fact, the person that did the study did not seem to convinced to me in his work, and i think its pretty common sense that some peoples minds are not stable enough for smoking grass, alcohol, relationships,Anti depressants or suger.
And If you try once, you know. I dont drink.... It fucks me up and i fight. So Like an adult i don't drink anymore. So thats ok....


Mine as well Go ban hand sanitizers, there are more people fucking there bodys up wit this shit then with weed. this shit has started an O.C.D revolution!!! and fucked sooo many peoples emune systems up yes it sure has triggered A FUCK LOT OF psychotic illness.

LAY OFF THE ERB MAN

 

[Preacher]

In the current repertoire of the drug czar's bullshit is the fact that the much higher THC percentages in today's weed compared to the seventies causes way more psychological illnesses. The best shit NIDA could muster up was 27 percent THC. And back in 1999 the FDA downgraded the 100 percent THC pill known as Marinol to Schedule III, citing its "excellent safety record".

I often point out contradictions and paradoxes that I've never seen published anywhere else in a single piece before and I'd like to know why the hell not.

(by the way the "normal risk of psychosis" is 0.4 percent. A 100 percent increase in that is 0.8 percent. Fuck it, I'm already crazy, I like those odds)

 

[kyndone]

people were saying long term cannabis use causes mental illness but ....

people were saying long term cannabis use causes mental illness but ....

Thursday, August 27, 2009, 09:2026 commentsShare Bookmark with (what is social media?)Facebook Digg Reddit Delicious StumbleUpon
Schizophrenia link to cannabis denied

A cannabis plantBy dblackhurst

A STUDY by North Staffordshire academics has rejected a link between smoking cannabis and an increase in mental illness.

The research found there were no rises in cases of schizophrenia or psychoses diagnosed in the UK over nine years, during which the use of the drug had grown substantially.

Pro-cannabis campaigners seized on the results as supporting the legalising of cannabis, and claimed the report had been suppressed.

But the leading expert behind the study said it could be too low-key to re-ignite the debate on whether restrictions should be removed from soft drugs.

From their base at the Harplands Psychiatric Hospital in Hartshill, the four experts reviewed the notes of hundreds of thousands of patients at 183 GP practices throughout the country to look for any changing rate in cases of schizophrenia.

The work had been set up to see if earlier forecasts from other experts had been borne out, that the mental disorder would soar through the growing popularity of cannabis.

Published in the Schizophrenia Research journal, a paper on the study said: "A recent review concluded that cannabis use increases the risk of psychotic outcomes.

"Furthermore an accepted model of the association between cannabis and schizophrenia indicated its incidence would increase from 1990 onwards.

"We examined trends in the annual psychosis incidence and prevalence as measured by diagnosed cases from 1996 to 2005 and found it to be either stable or declining.

"The casual models linking cannabis with schizophrenia and other psychoses are therefore not supported by our study."

The research was conducted by Drs Martin Frisher and Orsolina Martino, from the department of medicines management at Keele University; psychiatrist Professor Ilana Crome, from the Harplands academic unit, who specialises in addiction; and diseases expert Professor Peter Croft, pictured below, from the university's primary care research centre.

Its findings come shortly after the Government reclassified cannabis from Class C to Class B, which invokes heavier penalties.

Yet Dr Frisher revealed last night that the study had been partly commissioned by the Government's advisory committee on the misuse of drugs.

He said: "We concentrated on looking into the incidence of schizophrenia during those years and not specifically at cannabis use.

"It was relatively low-key research so I don't believe it will re-ignite the debate on whether the drug should be legalised."

Hartshill-based Dilys Wood, national co-ordinator of the Legalise Cannabis Alliance, said that so far the report had been published in medical journals and would have a far-reaching reaction if it surfaced more widely.

She added: "I believe that if it had found a causal link between cannabis and schizophrenia it would have been all over the press.

"The public needs to know the truth about drugs; not more Government-led propaganda."

And Alliance press officer Don Barnard said: "It is hard to believe the then Home Secretary Jacqui Smith did not know of this very important research when deciding to upgrade cannabis to Class B."

The team said a number of alternative explanations for the stabilising of schizophrenia had been considered and while they could not be wholly discounted, they did not appear to be plausible.

 

[bbing]

my uncle gave my grandmother a couple of tokes of "placentia platinum back in the late 70's during a period of intense duress grieving her husband (lung cancer ..`cigg's)....anyway,
after the paramedics left, she seemed better and no arrests were made..
she suffers from some dementia and alzheimers.....so iguess placentia platinum causes alzheimers....

 

[ijim]

We all know people that should not smoke or drink. Any drug or food effects people differently. If you want to ban drugs that may cause an adverse reaction then you have to ban all drugs. Starting with Acetaminophen or Tylenol. We must look past the Cannabis hysteria funded by governments.

 

[kyndone]

sorry i havent had a chance to write back, i broke my leg on my dirtbike, so things have been crazy lately, and also sorry, as i did not intend on this article being a big joke to people,

and thank you to those who had something constructive to say,

you had psychosis already
The smoke just made it stand up and shout 'hello' lol


i disagree with this article,, imho, it seems there are more people WITH some sort of mental illness than without, and alot of times there are those who slip through the cracks, and dont even realize they have a issue until they are in their late 30s or into there 40s, dementia and problems like that dont come into play until our later years, i dont understand how they can say any of this is caused by long term marijuana use, im sure the chemicals in what we eat, drink and breathe didnt cause these problems........ya right., there are way too many variables involved, to be able to pinpoint any one thing, i think anyway,

 

[!!!]

Was this a meta-analysis? A meta-analysis is when they don't do a study pre-se, but rather just go over the numbers from a bunch of older studies, putting 2 and 2 together to form new results.

For example: One study shows that reduced reaction time increases the chance of a driving accident. Another study shows that pot reduces reaction time. If you put those together, you can conclude that pot increases the chance of a driving accident.

Obviously that's false in reality as studies have shown that when high, users compensate for their reduced reaction time and generally drive safer than when sober.

--

I don't know if non-dopaminergic drugs actually "cause" psychosis. Amphetamines and cocaine and other drugs that act on dopamine do cause temporary psychosis with prolonged use, and psychosis can be trigger by intense anxiety, which Cannabis (or THC rather) actually does cause. But I'm not sure if that's really a valid link? Being arrested for smoking causes intense anxiety which can trigger a psychotic episode as well, so can we conclude that the DEA and police "cause" psychosis?

I would have preferred if the pot the subjects smoked was analysed to see if high-THC strains were more likely to cause a panic reaction and a subsequent psychotic attack.

I am predisposed to psychosis and have had my share of intense trips and highs, but overall I feel that the drugs have helped me better able to recognize delusions and anxiety and act accordingly to keep them in check. I do know many people who have panic attacks on weed, and some have serious delusions (like I'm going to murder them, or I've kidnapped them, or they're suffocating or their heart is going to explode and they actually go to the ER) but I've never known anyone who has had effects that persisted after the weed wore off except for one friend who had a psychotic breakdown, but he had taken unknown pills (sold as E, suspected meth or an RC.)

 

[N. Accumbens]

It's been long ago shown by more than one study that its the schizo that comes before the pothead, not vice versa. There is no research case providing causational evidence in cannabis use and schizophrenia, au contraire the correlations found ussually link cannabis use in schizophrenic persons to an "easing" of symptoms. Looks at joint dangling from lips and smiles

In some case, certain very strong "heady high" sativas and hazes can cause momentary lapses in social paradigms, which can cause social unease... but if one learns to control this dopamine release and forms a mental framework to deal with the new "insights" things can turn out just fine. In worse cases theyll forget anything ever happened, or in the better cases where the sativa was properly tuned in with cbds theyll have glorious insights to look into, finding ways to feel "connected" again. Rinse with Indica, rest and repeat.

The reasoning behind cannas symptomatic easing of schizophrenic tendencies links to the release of dopamine in the nucleus accumbens and this seems to be connected to hyperactivity or younger age hyperkinetics, now Im just fresh with what society terms as schizo, but ive been hyperactive disorganized and creative for years. Ill note that strains which work for hyperactivity could also be the ones which work well for certain types of randomized thought patterns. It is definitely important for anyone with psychological nuances which can cause grief to choose proper strains. For example white widow (sensi) can make a bad day worse for me, but strains such as G13 (Barneys) or ADHD (Doc) have pulled me out of the shitter.



So strain selection is of vast importance as it seems that with an improper strain. One which raises dopamine in the frontal portions of the brain or in some parts of the temporal or hippocampus. Well we could have a worsening of symptoms...

BUT now we get to the vastly important part, IMO. ... and that is, though im sure my siggie states elsewise...

I am under the impression that schizophrenia is not a disorder at all, and instead its our society that possibly needs healing (each and everyone of us)... and once we do that the schizophrenics will no longer be schizophrenic nor will they feel a "disassociation" with what is going on around them, as the perceptions will make more "sense" in respects to what they naturally as human beings feel.... I look forward to such a possibility with an open mind, and so for anyone interested i suggest they check out the works of persons such as Fritjof Capra and Alex Grey.....just a step away.

Side note: Someone could look into rhyming, disorganized thinking and cannabis. The correlates are strong as any of my open minded rhyming buddies well know.

PEACE
Edit upon rereading the last part i notice that possibly the disorganized part just doesnt seem to be organized in the way weve set things up.... this suggests the changes in sociatal norms that can be made to avoid dissociations in the people.... Far from a hypothesis what Im trying to express is that the rhyming is showing associations, associations between very "real" things, the sound of a word ending in this case. Im also saying persons "high on pot" can get pretty good at rhyming and poetry quite suddenly, not all persons but definately some of us, particularly when choosing proper meds. So if persons whom are finding associations, are getting better at finding them whilst "high" isnt that pretty much showing us how to connect to that which is all around us. Last part would be learning not to fear the these surroundings by gaining a sense of control over the surroundings. This would be termed as insight or "big picture" thinking. Again as there are strains which will send you swirling into the logistics of the matter, as well are there strains which will make most things seem more like a like a Sunday picnic (blueberry and mango haze im well known to be fond of for this reason). Learning to use the right strains to produce the desired effects is what cannabis bliss, is all about.

Basically, if we hadnt bred the plant to create loads of thc and little cbd, the anxiety producing effects of canna would be dramatically lower if not nullifiable in most cases. Take into effect that cannabis in the 70s had about a fourth or a fifth if not less of the thc it has now (please refer to the green merchants for causation), and all your looking at is the "catalyst" for an already precursed situation. Theres a mostly defined order for all which surrounds us, natural regulatory systems. That which goes up will in time go back down, or someone may come around and flip the painting at which point we wont know which way is up or down. I most prefer to throw everything i have in the spin cycle and then watch it tumble dry.

Finalized by the highly annoying sound at the end... Im hoping that it was spun well, and tumbled to completion. It is after all, all I have.

Freedom, judge me not....

 

[kyndone]

Being arrested for smoking causes intense anxiety which can trigger a psychotic episode as well, so can we conclude that the DEA and police "cause" psychosis?

I am under the impression that schizophrenia is not a disorder at all, and instead its our society that possibly needs healing (each and everyone of us)... and once we do that the schizophrenics will no longer be schizophrenic nor will they feel a "disassociation" with what is going on around them, as the perceptions will make more "sense" in respects to what they naturally as human beings feel....


very good points, and thanks to all for the honest opinions,
my girlfriend has a friend who is bi-polar, and has mild schiz. and is an all around ''out of the ordinary type person'', who is a little hard to be around when not ''high'', after she smokes, she seems fine, gets along with everyone, and is alot easier to be around, sober she is like a time bomb, and also she smokes strong indicas, and mild smoke like blue dream, and the like, i myself and also my g/f have a general anxiety, she has it worse than i do by far, but she does not smoke, only i do, and some weed spins me out, i get freaked and want to go hide under the kitchen sink, (not forever, just while high), so i have taken the time to research the different strains and find out what helps me, just like my g/f's friend has done, i have smoked weed for most of my life, im 38 now, and started burning regularly when i was 13, ( i would prolly be a good subject for this study), and i am very aware of my body, and what im putting in it, and the effects, and i am also aware that i had mental issues before the age of 13, only i didnt realize it until i was into my mid 30's, after i learned that i was not invincible and that i could get hurt/sick and die. (via , a head on truck crash that almost killed me ), sorry if im rambling, anyway, all i know is weed helps me in my day-to-day life, mentally with my anger and depression, and with the pain of so many surgeries, but(and this is a big but) i have to be careful what i choose to grow/smoke, for me, i cannot handle strong sativas, some people like them but not me, i honestly think that there is a strain for everyone, and that not every stain is good for everyone.

 

[bbing]

here is one more tiny confound:
what is the weed they used?:
ohhhhhh: the suspect compounds are not standardized??
how can any conclusion be made about a substance that behaves many different ways and continue to have potential to be re-defined with genetic cross's?

i gotta strain that can make you: shit, sneeze, cough and ejaculate all at the same ....
coudn't breed the "shit" out of it so it was culled.

 

[supermanlives]

i was crazy before i started smoking

 

[medMUser]

There was another study where the docs said men's sex drive was dampened by MJ. They shoulda been doing THAT research in the 60's!

If MJ caused all the problems they say, we sure woulda heard about it by now. Cannabis has been used for how many 1,000's of years?

I mean the word on the street would be enough to keep most of us from MJ by now. Like what we saw & heard about heroine when I was gettin started in the 60's. Few of my peeps then even talked about h.

If the docs were right we'd a heard a long time ago.

mM

 

[Gashat]

The thing is if you read what they say, it only DOUBLES your risk. Of what? Getting schizophrenia or psychosis. What were the odds in the first place?! 1%? 2% maybe? That still makes weed safer than almost any other drug.

I just read on Wikipedia that, according to The Lancet (one of the most respected medical journals), your average risk of schizophrenia is .3-.7%. Now consider that an anti-schizophrenia medicine can be found in on of the dozens of CBCs (or CBDs?)

 

[Wav3F0rm]

I just read on Wikipedia that, according to The Lancet (one of the most respected medical journals), your average risk of schizophrenia is .3-.7%. Now consider that an anti-schizophrenia medicine can be found in on of the dozens of CBCs (or CBDs?)

well, i'm curious about administration method, as well as genetics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/31/AR2010053103231.html
http://kymkemp.com/2010/06/01/juicing-raw-cannabis/
http://www.cannacare.org/bulletin/showthread.php?t=5254

and go figure, most important one is missing...
http://weedtracker.com/cannabis/top...-look-at-trends-in-indica-and-sativa-strains/

i'm not doubting the plants ability to heal, nor any. however, activating the THC and then consuming it. yes it is "pleasurable" but i wonder..

 

[treewizard]

Yeah those Wikipedia numbers were the first thing that I read after that article. If there was any truth to it, then the numbers should reflect the regular usage rates more closely. Just to be safe watch out for the Skunk... It seems ethnocentric to believe that white people, in the few decades that we've been growing, have so far outclassed landrace Cannabis, as to need to view our produce as significantly more potent & therefore dangerous. Malawi Gold, Highland Thai, Pre-Soviet Afghani, Santa Marta Gold... these are all just crap compaired to modern herb. Those are like smoking lettuce contrasted to what we have now. White People are the best! USA! USA!