Illegal Growers Won't Be Ignored

[FoothillsFarmer]

I'm speechless in regards to some of the posts on the 1st page...

I'm just saying that you better look out because people on the inside are gonna help pop those that that grow for profit.

WHERE DO YOU THINK THOSE SEEDS COME FROM THAT YOU ORDERED?!? How can you support someone who stands for EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?!? QUIT BEING FUCKING SHEEP... Don't buy into the propaganda that a CORRUPT, GREEDY GOVERNMENT is feeding you. Marijuana prohibition was built on A LIE and it's the longest running scheme this country has managed to pull off. I'm literally sick to my stomach after reading some of you people's responses... frankly I'm disappointed, I would expect more from you. Like Babba said, it's a plant people... wake the fuck up. I'm done.

 

[BigTex]

I grow BIG TIME outdoors. For anyone who says outdoor growers harm wildlife and the environment I simply disagree. I'm sure there are a few bad apples out there but as a whole that's a buncha BS!

 

[NorCalFor20]

Well I dont know how big those 60+ plant would be, but thats not the point. It's like this, and I point out my experience. Last summer I grew one plant in my back yard, a freebie seed of some fucking sativa cross I don't remember, free from a small order of seeds from a seed bank I ordered from. One fucking plant. I topped the shit out of it cause I laid it down early and it was about five feet tall when it finished. After the bugs got they're share it was still enough to supply both me and the wife with the meds we needed all year! And we didnt even get the pound we are allowed! Did I suck as a grower? yes but was it enough? yes. Thats the whole point, The public out there who are against this shit that have any common sense, know that 20, 40, 60 plants etc. means you are a dealer plain and simple. Prop 215 wasn't intended to create drug dealers plain and simple. The public is starting to realize this and its getting worse. I live in a tiny town and they still get popped. Yeah they should go after the meth labs and they do, problem is, it seems everytime they get one large amounts of pot are also found at the scene. Hmm Joe Public sees large amount of pot at meth labs, Joe Public sees Commercial growers throwing huge grows in there faces, what do you think happends next?
I am a legitimate med user and an occasional toke added to my anti-depressants helps immensely. I only know med users and they all feel the same way. I'm just saying that you better look out because people on the inside are gonna help pop those that that grow for profit.

not to offend, but man you are 99.9% wrong.

first of all you grew 1 plant and it took you 4 months and you got less than a pound, and you admitted urself it was bad genetics and that you aren't an experienced grower. That so called harvest would not last me medically for more than 3 weeks, I can smoke (me and one other patient) anywhere from 2-4 ounces a week. So your harvest that took 4+ months to grow wouldn't have lasted us a whole month. And thats 2-4 oz's of high quality indoor smoke i would probably blow through your pound of outdoor in 3 weeks all by myself...

So, just because some people need to grow 36-99 plants dosn't mean they are commerical growing. I think 99 is a good limit honestly because it has to be a limit somewhere just so the market dosn't absolutely flood with pot plus people should be focusing on quality not quantity and if your growing over 1000 plants then you aren't giving those plants the same amount of care as a 100 plant grow would get, but 6 is ridiculousness i can smoke a 6 plant indoor harvest in 2 weeks....

and by the way cannabis is not a drug its a plant so i guess that makes commerical growers florists not drug dealers.

 

[JJScorpio]

You should only be growing 6 if your med card allows it. Its the commercial growers that are going to fuck this up for everybody anyway. Yeah Yeah you are going to talk shit but its the truth, and most med users here know this and really dont have the balls to say it here. I actually don't give a shit if you don't like what I say anyway. They just busted a thousand plant op near where I live and I say more power to them, keep up the good work. Keep up the greed, keep up the commercial ops and you will eventually get popped. The med users I know are helping to eradicte commercial ops for the reasons I just stated, and the feeling is growing.

Who do you think med patients get their bud from when they don't grow?

And buy eradicating the commercial growers I take it you must mean ratting on them?

 

[NorCalFor20]

fuck that medical snitching is that what you call it?

the only drug busts that you should be helping with are reporting meth labs, coke dealers, and heroin sellers.

 

[greengorillaz]

Finally!

Finally!

I'm speechless in regards to some of the posts on the 1st page... " I'm just saying that you better look out because people on the inside are gonna help pop those that that grow for profit." How is this helping ANYONE?!? WHERE DO YOU THINK THOSE SEEDS COME FROM THAT YOU ORDERED?!? How can you support someone who stands for EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY?!? QUIT BEING FUCKING SHEEP... Don't buy into the propaganda that a CORRUPT, GREEDY GOVERNMENT is feeding you. Marijuana prohibition was built on A LIE and it's the longest running scheme this country has managed to pull off. I'm literally sick to my stomach after reading some of you people's responses... frankly I'm disappointed, I would expect more from you. Like Babba said, it's a plant people... wake the fuck up. I'm done.

somebody telling it like it is. Now that, is "motherfucking" refreshing.

 

[FreedomFGHTR]

The public out there who are against this shit that have any common sense, know that 20, 40, 60 plants etc. means you are a dealer plain and simple. Prop 215 wasn't intended to create drug dealers plain and simple.

Dude you REALLY don't know what you are talking about. Do you know who wrote prop 215? Do you actually KNOW the author? Did he teach you how to roll a fucking joint? Did he work you at an awesome farm full of cannabis? Did you ever visit any of his various clubs like the original Cannabis Buyers Club in San Francisco? I could continue... but I think you get the point. You can't answer yes to any of those.

The public is starting to realize this and its getting worse. I live in a tiny town and they still get popped. Yeah they should go after the meth labs and they do, problem is, it seems everytime they get one large amounts of pot are also found at the scene. Hmm Joe Public sees large amount of pot at meth labs, Joe Public sees Commercial growers throwing huge grows in there faces, what do you think happends next?

You live in a tiny town so those 2 maybe 3 or 4 cases in the last 5 years don't mean shit in the big picture. As far as big commecerial grows being in your face... just google Eddy Lepp, oh yeah no Meth involved... Otherwise others such as Rosenthal only recieved 1 day of lost freedom. I think his books and magazine articles would qualify as in your face when it concerns the government.

I am a legitimate med user and an occasional toke added to my anti-depressants helps immensely. I only know med users and they all feel the same way. I'm just saying that you better look out because people on the inside are gonna help pop those that that grow for profit.

You might only know med users... but not all med users feel the same way as you do. Infact the very people who made it possible for you to be a "legitimate med user" feel the opposite as you. Infact the author of prop 215 will tell you that all Cannabis use is medicinal. So all smokers would be legitiamate according to them. So really get off your holier than thou soap box because really you are making yourself look like an arse.

 

[Rainman]

Everyone here is jumping on Arlen and calling names as you clamor regurge facts to him so let me help the righteous know it alls here who really dont have a clue.

Lets start with Vapr! - After reading your post it is clear that if you do need more than 6 plants outside you dont know anything about growing! The law is designed to help those in need correct? Then tell me why you or anyone would need more than that? At 6 plants outside you should avg 2 lbs of prime buds per plant. Who smokes more that 12 lbs of herb in a year? What patient would use it in edibles and such and still need more? I will tell you! None! If you need more than that you are growing to sell and that is it! You cant tell any rational person otherwise. When you start screaming about plant numbers you look greedy and uneducated about the issue. If you live in this area then you know exactly what the Sheriff and us eople abiding by the law are going through. If you are just reading an article then you have no clue at all how bad it really is.

BigHerb - You more than most should have known better too!

the only wild life that is ever killed are preadatory creatures (mountain lions, bobcats, and bears), and they are only killed if posing an immediate threat to said persons. but then this is legal and that many people not just growers, carry firearms for protection from said animals.

That simply is not true in any form! They shoot anything that moves for food which keeps them in the woods longer without having to go into town. One camp had 47 deer carcasses and several Bear. Immediate threat! Thats funny. The guns are also for protection? I live in Norcal people and the only people carrying guns in the woods are mass growers and hunters. We lose 2-3 hunters each year to the growers who are protecting their crops from anyone who gets near. It is not for protection from forest animals and to say that is ridiculous. What animals do you need protection from??

secondly,,,how does our nutrients contaminate the land any worst than the commercial farmers who grow vegetables and fruit,, or the tobacco fields who use radioactive phosphate nutrients to feed their tobacco plants? im not a scientist, but im led to believe the majority of nutrients available for cannabis are quite earth friendly!
Now this is just too dumb to be anything but sad! How can you believe that garbage? Do you really think the growers out there care what buds taste like? All they want to do is get the biggest flowers the fastest! They are using the same chems that all the people you are complaining about do! Do you really think they get their chems from the hydro shop or from big farm suppliers that use those ferts? It is so obvious you do not have clue about what you speak. Earth friendly?? That is funny!

the fact is MOST growers I know are VERY earth and social consicous people. most of them dont even eat meat and live a very "organic" life. these claims made by sheriff tom allman are no more than mere propaganda tactics to scare people who are ignorant to the true subject.

Again you do not know of what you speak!! The people doing this are not vegans or care about mother earth!! That is just retarded!! These people care about $$$$ And that is it!!! Mother Earth!! People who are knowledgeable to the Sheriff's problems cause it is our communities problems!!

as to "killing" trees>>> growers are PLANTING trees. and bringing back a healthy and thriving enviorment which brings nutrients and minerals back into the land which is quite beneficial. so actually growing cannabis IMPROVES the earth and her resources.

What trees are they planting and bringing back the environment with? All the trees they grow are cut down in Sept and Oct homie!! Again you have no idea about what you post!!! They cut hardwoodtrees to make space for gardens, camps look posts, booby traps, etc... So no they dont IMPROVE resources!!!

Look it is one thing to post in your areas of expertise and it is something all together diff to post "like" you know what you are talking about!!

 

[Rainman]

Big Tex - That is simply not true cause you do not grow 50-1200 plants a year. And if you did you wouldnt be living in the woods for months at a time reaking havoc on the environment. We are talking about people who do this on a large scale and do it mostly on our fragile public lands.

NorCal - I just dont even see the point in arguing with a retard who has posted threads like "how much can I grow" and "I wanna move to Cali to grow: You are here for one reason to take advantage of the system. Period! Go back to whatever state you slithered from and take you ridiculous posts and ideas with! This is some of the dumbest rationale I have ever seen on the issue!!
So, just because some people need to grow 36-99 plants dosn't mean they are commerical growing. I think 99 is a good limit honestly because it has to be a limit somewhere just so the market dosn't absolutely flood with pot plus people should be focusing on quality not quantity and if your growing over 1000 plants then you aren't giving those plants the same amount of care as a 100 plant grow would get, but 6 is ridiculousness i can smoke a 6 plant indoor harvest in 2 weeks....

If you can smoke a 6 plant harvest in 2 weeks you are absolutely the worst grower on icmag!

Foothills - Opium comes from a plant as does Cocain! So should we have no rules for those as well? Sheep? Just because someone doesnt follow you line of thought they are sheep? Again its obvious you dont live in the area.

 

[vaprpig]

I think I have a clue Rainman. Everyone doesn't grow outside. Because of the recent fanaticism it is illegal, medical or not to grow outdoors in just about all incorporated areas in this county. Like the others have said, it's a f**king plant!

 

[Koroz]

I think I have a clue Rainman. Everyone doesn't grow outside. Because of the recent fanaticism it is illegal, medical or not to grow outdoors in just about all incorporated areas in this county. Like the others have said, it's a f**king plant!

The F**king plant as you put it, isn't the F**king problem is it. I think some of you people have never lived in the "real" northern cali area before and are talking a lot of hubbub about shit you really have no clue about. I lived in Northern Cali (Chico, Redding, and Eureka) for 20 years of my life and to sit here and tell us that large scale ops in our national forests aren't hurting anybody shows how clueless you really are to the situation going on.

As a hiker, smoker, and lover of outdoors I have to be VERY careful when I go out hiking because of old style bamboo traps, growers with guns who are trying to scare off thieves and partially destroyed lands where they have run irrigation a couple miles from the lakes to the plantation spot. The problem isn't "the plant" the problem are those who grow it in mass for commercial consumption.

I think some of you feel as though because you grow in your backyard, and are generally good people that everyone else is.. I hate to tell you not everyone in northern cali are hippys who love the earth and what she has to offer, a lot of them are up here turning the areas I grew up in upside down.

 

[Rainman]

Lastly, Freedom!!

Dude you REALLY don't know what you are talking about. Do you know who wrote prop 215? Do you actually KNOW the author? Did he teach you how to roll a fucking joint? Did he work you at an awesome farm full of cannabis? Did you ever visit any of his various clubs like the original Cannabis Buyers Club in San Francisco? I could continue... but I think you get the point. You can't answer yes to any of those.
I know these things and visited a few of the places you talk about but why would he need to do any of this to know that the law is being abused and yes if you have to grow 20 plants you are prolly a dealer!? You see the people who are really sick dont use very much at all.

You live in a tiny town so those 2 maybe 3 or 4 cases in the last 5 years don't mean shit in the big picture. As far as big commecerial grows being in your face... just google Eddy Lepp, oh yeah no Meth involved... Otherwise others such as Rosenthal only recieved 1 day of lost freedom. I think his books and magazine articles would qualify as in your face when it concerns the government.

I live here and you assume to know the situation here and it is obvious you dont have a clue. 2-3 in the last year?? That is stupid! We get 2-3 big busts a week here.The same folks who do the large MMJ grows under the guise of the prop215 law have also begun brewing meth in their locales as well. Both are profitable and in demand so the cartels have begun to do both. Why is it anytime someone wants to debate this issue people bring up Eddie Leap and Ed Rose? Both are notorious for sure but how are they are relevant here? We are talking about people who flaunt the grows in front of anyone who is watching, pull guns on people at the drop of a hat, have become very violent in the last 10 years as they have moved in and taken over, etc.. Why compare these two to what we are talking about?

nfact the very people who made it possible for you to be a "legitimate med user" feel the opposite as you. Infact the author of prop 215 will tell you that all Cannabis use is medicinal. So all smokers would be legitiamate according to them. So really get off your holier than thou soap box because really you are making yourself look like an arse.

Again you seem to be speaking for all MMJ users like Arlen mistakingly did. You are wrong just like he.(although he was speaking about people he knows) We MMJ users are a varied in our needs as our opinions on the issue. The backers of Prop 215 knew this as well so to say that all smokers are legit in their eyes makes you look like the arse on the soapbox!

 

[Rainman]

Vapr - Where is it illegal to grow indoors and not out in Cali? That is just not a true statement. Growing in an incorparated area means you prolly wont have the yard or space to do large grows but illegal? And like I said earlier about it "just being a plant", so is cocaine and heroin! Your point!?

 

[AndreNicky]

Vapr - Where is it illegal to grow indoors and not out in Cali? That is just not a true statement. Growing in an incorparated area means you prolly wont have the yard or space to do large grows but illegal? And like I said earlier about it "just being a plant", so is cocaine and heroin! Your point!?

I beileve in San Diego its illegal to grow outdoors, only indoors

from canorml- City Council guidelines allow up to 1 lb of marijuana, 24 plants in 64 square feet indoors; no outdoors growing allowed except in enclosed greenhouses.

 

[Rainman]

Thanks Andre! Appreciate the knowledge. Vapr I was wrong so I stand corrected. 64 plants!! Andre, That is why you and Subby and the gang always have the top notch gear!! Maybe we can send Norcal down to live among you guys and we can lose our village idiot!

 

[Nughit]

And like I said earlier about it "just being a plant", so is cocaine and heroin! Your point!?

BULLSHIT Cocaine and H both need to chemically processed with alkalines before becomimg cocaine and H. They are not just a str8 plant product like Marijuana is. Both dry sieve and water hash are str8 plant products too, so is opium. Cocain and H are not just plants so stop saying they are!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rainman]

Cocaine and heroin are just plants like Mary J! And actually they dont Nugit! Do some reading youngster before you come in here spouting off bout that which you do not know. You can use either in plant form just like herb and you really dont have to do anything to it. Natives in Columbia chew it and when being drained from the poppy plant the Asian collectors also take the bitter tasting juice and rub it on their tongues and in their mouths. Both achieving the same effect(high) as your processed drugs but in a pure and unadulterated form. The fact that you didn't know this but wanted to pipe up is BULLSHIT little guy!

 

[habeeb]

I don't have to read much to get the clue,

everyone needs to just chill out. getting pissed off is not gonna help anything. best thing you can do is write the sheriff and tell him you support there actions of going after real "bad guys"

no need to fight guys, the people in your land are already taking that role, so be the better person and just breathe for a minute

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

Lastly, Freedom!!

Dude you REALLY don't know what you are talking about. Do you know who wrote prop 215? Do you actually KNOW the author? Did he teach you how to roll a fucking joint? Did he work you at an awesome farm full of cannabis? Did you ever visit any of his various clubs like the original Cannabis Buyers Club in San Francisco? I could continue... but I think you get the point. You can't answer yes to any of those.
I know these things and visited a few of the places you talk about but why would he need to do any of this to know that the law is being abused and yes if you have to grow 20 plants you are prolly a dealer!? You see the people who are really sick dont use very much at all.

You live in a tiny town so those 2 maybe 3 or 4 cases in the last 5 years don't mean shit in the big picture. As far as big commecerial grows being in your face... just google Eddy Lepp, oh yeah no Meth involved... Otherwise others such as Rosenthal only recieved 1 day of lost freedom. I think his books and magazine articles would qualify as in your face when it concerns the government.

I live here and you assume to know the situation here and it is obvious you dont have a clue. 2-3 in the last year?? That is stupid! We get 2-3 big busts a week here.The same folks who do the large MMJ grows under the guise of the prop215 law have also begun brewing meth in their locales as well. Both are profitable and in demand so the cartels have begun to do both. Why is it anytime someone wants to debate this issue people bring up Eddie Leap and Ed Rose? Both are notorious for sure but how are they are relevant here? We are talking about people who flaunt the grows in front of anyone who is watching, pull guns on people at the drop of a hat, have become very violent in the last 10 years as they have moved in and taken over, etc.. Why compare these two to what we are talking about?

nfact the very people who made it possible for you to be a "legitimate med user" feel the opposite as you. Infact the author of prop 215 will tell you that all Cannabis use is medicinal. So all smokers would be legitiamate according to them. So really get off your holier than thou soap box because really you are making yourself look like an arse.

Again you seem to be speaking for all MMJ users like Arlen mistakingly did. You are wrong just like he.(although he was speaking about people he knows) We MMJ users are a varied in our needs as our opinions on the issue. The backers of Prop 215 knew this as well so to say that all smokers are legit in their eyes makes you look like the arse on the soapbox!

why bring up rosenthal and lepp??? well you are all talking about nose thumbing growers.... those are about the two most loudmouthed ones there and most likely neither of them will ever see a real sentancing

as to 20 plants being a dealer? are you fucking kdding me? some strains i have wont produce more than an ounce of medicine. how am i supposed to make 15-20 ounces last 4-6mos ??

not all patients require larger amounts. but SOME DO. you cant say that just because patient A only needs 2 puffs per day, then that's all patient B needs. what if patient B requires to smoke 4 grams per day....are you going to tell them they are a loser and they should use less,, or maybe you can call them a dealer with intent to sell and arrest them??

you must have lived in norcal too long. try living other places. i have had firearms drawn upon myself numerous times from accidently trepassing on unmarked property,, prety normal in places like missouri and indiana,, but then again your mr.norcal >>> so you wouldnt have any idea

and since you are norcal and that is where these "cartels" live... please take a picture of them. because i have NEVER seen them in my travels. and in fact i even know of a few large OD growers who will place mexican items (santa maria candles,,, cans of pintos and rice,,tortillas,,,hot sauce ,, etc...) at the grow site so moron agents will look for mexicans instead of the REAL culprits....

pretty old trick,,, funny how many peopel still claim cartel grows...

good to know propaganda is still alive and kicking inside the minds of the thoughtless!

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I hate to tell you not everyone in northern cali are hippys who love the earth and what she has to offer, a lot of them are up here turning the areas I grew up in upside down.

ahhhh booo fucking hoo,,, you know what my old stomping grounds now is??

a wendys ,, a supermarket,,, a liquor store,,,and a gas station


id rather have cut throat theifs inhabit the property and grow 30k ganja plants......

then see these stores pollute the land air and water

while fat assed lazy bastards smeer greeasy cheeseburgers in their face

while filling up their hummers and range rovers....