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no greenfiend. not unless you're the handjob fairy or something
I was at wal-mart and...
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"human nanner patrol"......the htought is horrifying
TheBudFather
Active member
you dont know what youve got till its gone...!
I know H20's comments were taken one particular way. Here's the reality; people are becoming increasingly more scrutinized at a genetic level due to increased availability of genetic testing.
Here's what's going to happen whether you're prepared for it or not: INSURANCE COMPANIES, INCLUDING GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED INSURANCE (MEDICARE, MEDICAID, ETC.) WILL NOT COVER PEOPLE FOR "PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS".
That means if somehow, someway in the near or distant future someone knows you've got the genes for "DIABETES", "CANCER", "HEART DISEASE", etc....YOU WILL HAVE LIMITED OR NO INSURANCE COVERAGE.
That's pretty simple mathetmatics. Under those circumstances, only those that can afford treatment will have access to it. Try to afford treatment for cancer without insurance....if you can survive the bills, you've still got cancer to contend with.
So, it doesn't really matter what anyone believes is right or correct. Unless you've got purse strings to support that belief, it's moot.
I've already seen physical evidence of things heading in this direction.
Physical/mental impairments = $. People (Insurance companies) with $ usually don't want to part with $. They find ways to not pay for things by justifying their actions as I stated above. In the end the people that feel the brunt of this economic tug of war are those that are infirmed or handicapped. The era of government sponsored disability is coming to a halt.
If you don't believe me....if you happen to know someone that has had ANY physical or mental impairment.....and they happen to have lost their insurance for whatever reason......see what happens when they try to get additional coverage. Watch how many doors slam down and lock tight. I know it's happening....I see it every day.
Anyway, that in no way diminishes the immense accomplishment of individuals that are out there doing what they can....with these types of disabilities...still blows me away.
The future holds less and less of these miracle people however. H20 just stated something an a way that people find objectionable....because it seems like Logan's run, and it's reminicsent of what the Nazi party suggested. In their case it was merely a smokescreen to commit genocide. However, their thought process about increasing the health and durability and productivity of a civilization was not flawed. That's why it was appealing to so many Germanic people at the time. It was in fact the premise they used to kick off everything.
There's nothing wrong with attempting to elevate the health and well-being of society. How that is done is of course a matter of serious debate. Nonetheless, I know that $ has more impact than anything, anywhere....and it will be $ that determines the course of evolution here just as much as anything else.
Here's what's going to happen whether you're prepared for it or not: INSURANCE COMPANIES, INCLUDING GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED INSURANCE (MEDICARE, MEDICAID, ETC.) WILL NOT COVER PEOPLE FOR "PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS".
That means if somehow, someway in the near or distant future someone knows you've got the genes for "DIABETES", "CANCER", "HEART DISEASE", etc....YOU WILL HAVE LIMITED OR NO INSURANCE COVERAGE.
That's pretty simple mathetmatics. Under those circumstances, only those that can afford treatment will have access to it. Try to afford treatment for cancer without insurance....if you can survive the bills, you've still got cancer to contend with.
So, it doesn't really matter what anyone believes is right or correct. Unless you've got purse strings to support that belief, it's moot.
I've already seen physical evidence of things heading in this direction.
Physical/mental impairments = $. People (Insurance companies) with $ usually don't want to part with $. They find ways to not pay for things by justifying their actions as I stated above. In the end the people that feel the brunt of this economic tug of war are those that are infirmed or handicapped. The era of government sponsored disability is coming to a halt.
If you don't believe me....if you happen to know someone that has had ANY physical or mental impairment.....and they happen to have lost their insurance for whatever reason......see what happens when they try to get additional coverage. Watch how many doors slam down and lock tight. I know it's happening....I see it every day.
Anyway, that in no way diminishes the immense accomplishment of individuals that are out there doing what they can....with these types of disabilities...still blows me away.
The future holds less and less of these miracle people however. H20 just stated something an a way that people find objectionable....because it seems like Logan's run, and it's reminicsent of what the Nazi party suggested. In their case it was merely a smokescreen to commit genocide. However, their thought process about increasing the health and durability and productivity of a civilization was not flawed. That's why it was appealing to so many Germanic people at the time. It was in fact the premise they used to kick off everything.
There's nothing wrong with attempting to elevate the health and well-being of society. How that is done is of course a matter of serious debate. Nonetheless, I know that $ has more impact than anything, anywhere....and it will be $ that determines the course of evolution here just as much as anything else.
I don't think he was so much feeling sorry for them, as he was looking at them, and what they must endure to do the things we frequently whine about doing--
It is a good thing, when you are feeling down, or like you have it rough...to see exactly what "Rough" is-- But handicapped ppl don't see it that way...it is just "Life" to them...and they are enjoying the shit out of it...
Actually, I think he was looking "Up" to them...not with Pity--
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hey alright someone who got the point and isn't quick on the trigger.Couldn't have said it better. In fact that's what I think I should have said, now some poor kid from Oshgosh is crying into his kashi
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jwop
you are not looking past something when you take it for the positive instead of looking at the negative
to look past something is to take it out of the equation entirely
your view of sympathy and empathy is just as bad as someone's view of genetic degradation ...
in short ... "aww that poor handicapped person" is no better than "haha look at that retard"
some things are just better off left unsaid. just my .02 though
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Hal
Looks like we're going to need to start a new sub-forum in the Toker's Den....The Hitler Fan Club...
Seriously, a bunch of folks here need to go take a college course on Ethics.
This is embarrassing.
Seriously, a bunch of folks here need to go take a college course on Ethics.
This is embarrassing.
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there's evidence for that in Mustarian culture as well, which is Neanderthals. Although it is human-like quality to care for others, humans are not the only ones in the animals planet that care for one another - birds, monkeys, bugs
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this may be true ... but some societies today that are still very "tribal" in nature do the exact opposite and simply won't settle for anything less than an offspring that will benefit the community ... someone that can hunt/gather and defend as opposed to someone who you have to hunt and gather for ... and defend for
jwop: is that really what you got outta that post? That I felt sorry for them?
Nope. Just impressed that someone who has physical and mental challenges can do something that I'm not sure I could do myself given the same circumstances.
I think you somehow got the vibe I'm thinking these people are pathetic. I don't offer pity to those that don't ask or need it. That's clearly the framework of what I was attempting to say. Of course there's always semantics, interprepretation and personal filtering to take into consideration. Looks like you only took away what you wanted to with that post.
Nope. Just impressed that someone who has physical and mental challenges can do something that I'm not sure I could do myself given the same circumstances.
I think you somehow got the vibe I'm thinking these people are pathetic. I don't offer pity to those that don't ask or need it. That's clearly the framework of what I was attempting to say. Of course there's always semantics, interprepretation and personal filtering to take into consideration. Looks like you only took away what you wanted to with that post.
Nature has no ethics! You play ball or you die! Simple as that..
What's ethical about doing stupid shit untill there is nothing else left but to resort to Hitler type tactics ? And why Hitler ? Why not Darwin ? Why not every fucking biologist who sees this shit for what it really is ? Science does not have to be comfortable..it is what it is..
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I find it funny that people blame Hitler for the horrific things that OTHER people did ? How many people did Hitler kill personally ? Shit i would not be surprised if he never killed a person in his life...It's the dumb drones that are the problem..as always..
Hal.
If i asked you to kill a million jews..and you did it. Who's fault is it ?
edit: (my response from 1st post in thread)
Everyone faces unique challenges and have their own triumphs everyday.
Dis "satisfaction" is tricky, sometimes it maybe something more deep, like possible guilt that things are really okay for us, despite what we have done and despite what is going on in the world around us.
i should prob earse that? but what the hey.......
try one day to say hello to as many people as you can.
then the next day say nothing to no one, silent the whole day.
and ponder that.
Everyone faces unique challenges and have their own triumphs everyday.
Dis "satisfaction" is tricky, sometimes it maybe something more deep, like possible guilt that things are really okay for us, despite what we have done and despite what is going on in the world around us.
i should prob earse that? but what the hey.......
try one day to say hello to as many people as you can.
then the next day say nothing to no one, silent the whole day.
and ponder that.
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no im sorry i definatly didn't think that you meant pathetic ... looking back at my own post and reading it in a different mind i could see how strong it may have sounded. my only comment directed to you was the "looking past" bit, the rest is merely a rant of what i see on a day to day basis working in the construction field. pathetic people, they are not.
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Cookie monster
Is it really unethical tho??
What i mean is we already practise selective breeding in our crops and animals to create a healthier better population which is fine.
Yet if we suggested to do the same to the human race the opposition to such an idea would be huge.
What makes us so different? why do most of us feel selective breeding in principle would make sense but on the other hand is unethical?
he may have been psychotic and extremely cold- hearted, but he was trying to make the world a better place in his own way.
AND I IN NO WAY AGREE WITH KILLING PEOPLE FOR ANY REASON SHORT OF YOUR LIFE>THEIR LIFE
