Highly potent weed creating marijuana addicts worldwide, study says

[Three Berries]

Insulin is used by maaaaaany people who could quit through diet changes. Helped someone (type 1) go from 400's for 10 years, down to waking up with 98 and 120's in 3 weeks. *shrug* Type 2 diabetes is totally and completely reversible (if done before decades of insulin abuse) through food choices.

Before our food industry went corn syrup and artificial everything crazy, type 2 diabetes was called 'Adult Onset' diabetes because people rarely came down with it before their 30's. When infants began being born with it they changed the name to 'Type 2.'

Learn something new every day... damnit!

To keep from dying... not addicted mentally no.

High carb diet. The Food Industry gets cheap feed stock and makes cheap low quality high carb food. Then the gov puts out guidelines pushed by Big Pharma to eat a lot of carbs. Then the Medical and Health Insurance Industries do not want to cure you of your self inflicted government sponsored life shortening disease, but you sure are a good customer. Just come back in 6 weeks for another test.

Blood thinners too. Give you rat poison (Coumadin) instead of low dose aspirin then you have to get blood test every month to see that you are getting enough!!!!!

 

[Hmong]

always nice to see your work bear fruits

 

[Ca++]

Perhaps we could separate mental and physical addiction, as trying to explain them in an umbrella statement isn't likely to gain any traction.

If you take something you didn't need to, and after which you need to keep doing so to avoid bad consequences, then I would hear your call of addiction.

Looking at tobacco, we can see both mental and physical problems. There is a chemical you didn't need, but become reliant upon. This is a physical thing. Also smoking can be habit forming, where you do it just because. That is mental. Thus we have electric cigarettes. They give the chemical you need, and satisfy your need to go through the motions.

One of these addictions I give credit to, the other I feel is mental. Patches should be able to wean us off tobacco, without the device to keep our hands busy. If you need the device, you can probably get addicted to cannabis. Or hats.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

I smoked for 20 years and walked away like shutting a window. The mental addiction is much worse than the physical. When you identify the root source of your reasons to smoke (and eliminate them), the physical addiction is weak and easy to ignore. Edit: Absolute torture trying to quit all those other times... before I removed the issues driving it.

If you have zero need to use cannabis you would not use it, or would only smoke when offered socially to be nice. That desire to toke is the unconcious feedback of issues you are not aware of annoying you.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

People are addicted to what soothes their discomfort. For some this is fishing, which eases the pain of not talking to your spouse about everything. Of course it is an avoidance behavior and, like alcohol, it causes more issues later on.

 

[Hmong]

When you identify the root source of your reasons to smoke (and eliminate them)

mine is dumb people, so ...

 

[Rider420]

Cannabis addiction is a joke if cannabis as one tenth as bad as alcohol Cheech and Chong would be long dead!

Alcoholism is terrifying : Long-Term Health Risks. Over time, excessive alcohol use can lead to the development of chronic diseases and other serious problems including: High blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, liver disease, and digestive problems. Cancer of the breast, mouth, throat, esophagus, voice box, liver, colon, and rectum. 3 Million people die each year from alcohol use. And another 7 Million die from tobacco whether they smoked or chewed it.

Addiction is part of life I'm addicted to cell phones, cannabis, caffeine, video games, biking, skiing, television, and dirt biking when in season and of course the internet. We are all addicts what matters is if its harming us or making our lives more enjoyable.

BTW I quit smoking tobacco after 19 years of use in 2001 because my father died of lung cancer. Twenty one years later and I'm in far better health then when I quit.

 

[RobFromTX]

Are all insulin users 'addicted'?

I was trying to make a point that most medicines used to treat life-long conditions are not considered 'addicting'...as long as there is no 'happiness' involved. If happiness is involved, it seems that a substance (or activity...or inactivity, ha) is often considered 'addictive'.

My personal idea of what 'addictive' means...is that more and more is needed until it kills the user. Can Cannabis concentrates get so strong as to kill folks?

One thing i learned working at a state hospital for 2 years when i was younger is that you can be "addicted" to anything. A compulsive masturbater hooked on porn, a schizophrenic addicted to drinking water to the point he'd end up in the ER. Hell, there was a hair fetishist in there for a while that attacked a jogger just to cut some of her hair off. And she ended up bringing him lunch every other week. Yeah people think they have issues but having a job like that will certainly put you in your place. Things could be better but man can they get worse

 

[Three Berries]

Perhaps we could separate mental and physical addiction, as trying to explain them in an umbrella statement isn't likely to gain any traction.

If you take something you didn't need to, and after which you need to keep doing so to avoid bad consequences, then I would hear your call of addiction.

Looking at tobacco, we can see both mental and physical problems. There is a chemical you didn't need, but become reliant upon. This is a physical thing. Also smoking can be habit forming, where you do it just because. That is mental. Thus we have electric cigarettes. They give the chemical you need, and satisfy your need to go through the motions.

One of these addictions I give credit to, the other I feel is mental. Patches should be able to wean us off tobacco, without the device to keep our hands busy. If you need the device, you can probably get addicted to cannabis. Or hats.

Tobacco tea is an excellent open wound treatment. Antiseptic and anesthetic.

 

[Ca++]

Tobacco tea is an excellent open wound treatment. Antiseptic and anesthetic.

Tobacco has bug killing qualities that big pharma copied for many years. It was banned a few years ago in Europe to help the bees. Before which is was one of the main ingredients in bug sprays. You sometimes read of soaking nub-ends to make your own spray.

 

[Somatek]

My personal idea of what 'addictive' means...is that more and more is needed until it kills the user. Can Cannabis concentrates get so strong as to kill folks?

There's a correlation between an increase in CHS and more availability of high potency, cheap concentrates. People have died due to it and the complications of starving, although it's complicated by poor information about it causing people to deny their doctors advice. We need more unbiased research into pot, not studies like this which lack depth and assume a biased position that easily distorts the findings.

Instead of addict I prefer to use the terms functional vs non-functional user to move it away from the moral issues and focus on the reality of the issue. If someone is handling all of their responsibilities/obligations then whether or not their intoxicated is irrelevant; it's their life and they have to live with the consequences for their choices so who is anyone else to tell them how to live? Whether it's smoking, toking, drinking, sex, work or over eating we need to give people the autonomy to live their life as they choose. That being said I think mental health services need to be much more prevalent and less stigmatized so that people have easy access to help dealing with compulsion's if they are getting in the way of enjoying friends, family or life in general.

 

[Rocky Mtn Squid]

RMS

 

[Tangwena]

I resent the use of such a common word to describe my lusty love affair with Alice.
It just shows ignorance on the part of the orator.

 

[Somatek]

I resent the use of such a common word to describe my lusty love affair with Alice.
It just shows ignorance on the part of the orator.

It's got a pretty interesting history if you look at the etymology of addict/addiction; originally meaning devoted to in early roman times, enslaved by in later roman periods where it took on a legal meaning it's continued that back and forth over times variously being used positively and negatively. To the point where it's not really an accepted medical term which is why "substance use disorder" is the proper medical term. The comments in this thread illustrate the widely varying opinions/definitions of addiction, written by people faithfully addicted to that glorious ganga to the point they spend their free time discussion/appreciating it online.

 

[Rocky Mtn Squid]

RMS

 

[Rider420]

There's a correlation between an increase in CHS and more availability of high potency, cheap concentrates. People have died due to it and the complications of starving, although it's complicated by poor information about it causing people to deny their doctors advice. We need more unbiased research into pot, not studies like this which lack depth and assume a biased position that easily distorts the findings.

LOL REEFER MADNESS strikes again smoke it and you will get CHS and DIE!
Shit never gets old just keeps repeating next it will make you gay or turn you into a sloth. Fuck off narc!

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Yes, the correlation is the azadirachtin polluted cannabis has now been concentrated. Vaping concentrated aza is f'ing stupid and will cause a LOT of people to have CHS type symptoms.

Die from vaping? Sure... vaping concentrated toxins in the prohibition weed people are using.

Legalize it and watch the problems with it sort themselves out.

 

[Rider420]

I get a good laugh at CHS vs HS "Hyperemesis Syndrome" Same symptoms but doctors don't know what causes HS unless you smoke cannabis then its CHS. FYI Only 1 out of ten cases of people who have HS has ever used cannabis. Most are teen age girls aged 11 to 17. BTW the cure for HS is a month of rest the cure for CHS is stop using cannabis for one month oh ya and rest. LOL what a joke.
"One study of emergency room patients found that roughly 32% of people who reported smoking cannabis 20 or more times per month had CHS."
LOL in Canada there are more then 3.7 million people 10% of the population who use cannabis more then 20 times per month yet only a few cases of CHS. Cannabis does not cause MS nor does it cause Schizophrenia mental illness even in kids or HS the statistics prove it, but Narcs love red herrings.
Some kids in Canada are prescribed cannabis by thier doctors as long as twenty years ago none of these kids or now adults have shown any learning disabilities or mental illnesses or increase levels of HS. Keep it up NARCS 60 years of debunking your reefer madness but morons will still fall for the latest version.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

I get a good laugh at CHS vs HS "Hyperemesis Syndrome" Same symptoms but doctors don't know what causes HS unless you smoke cannabis then its CHS. FYI Only 1 out of ten cases of people who have HS has ever used cannabis. Most are teen age girls aged 11 to 17. BTW the cure for HS is a month of rest the cure for CHS is stop using cannabis for one month oh ya and rest. LOL what a joke.
"One study of emergency room patients found that roughly 32% of people who reported smoking cannabis 20 or more times per month had CHS."
LOL in Canada there are more then 3.7 million people 10% of the population who use cannabis more then 20 times per month yet only a few cases of CHS. Cannabis does not cause MS nor does it cause Schizophrenia mental illness even in kids or HS the statistics prove it, but Narcs love red herrings.
Some kids in Canada are prescribed cannabis by thier doctors as long as twenty years ago none of these kids or now adults have shown any learning disabilities or mental illnesses or increase levels of HS. Keep it up NARCS 60 years of debunking your reefer madness but morons will still fall for the latest version.

Canada has a ban on azadirachtin products for cannabis. That's why the CHS cases are so low there.

The cure for MOST of the CHS cases in the USA is to stop using cannabis grown with neem oil, neem seed meal and/or "organic" azadirachtin extract pesticides.

 

[Somatek]

LOL REEFER MADNESS strikes again smoke it and you will get CHS and DIE!
Shit never gets old just keeps repeating next it will make you gay or turn you into a sloth. Fuck off narc!

It's not reefer madness to talk about potential issues appearing that may be related to excess cannabis use, which is the current working hypothesis as discussed in this paper. The risk may be very low but regardless we should be able to have a rational discussion about what the current science is saying about pot without getting triggered by pre-existing confirmation bias.

Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome: A Review of Potential Mechanisms

Introduction: Cannabinoids have long been known for their ability to treat nausea and vomiting. Recent reports, however, have highlighted the paradoxical proemetic effects of cannabinoids. Cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome (CHS) is characterized by cyclical ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"High temperatures, such as during a hot shower, also activate transient receptor potential vanilloid 1 (TRPV1) receptors located on nociceptive neurons. These receptors are activated by noxious stimuli, high heat, or agonists like capsaicin, the chemical in chili peppers that makes them spicy, to send pain signals to the brain. The TRPV1 receptors are also implicated in nausea and vomiting pathways, where TRPV1 activity in the NTS leads to nausea and vomiting. Likewise, the endocannabinoid system is interconnected with TRPV1 systems. AEA and 2- AG are endogenous agonists of the TRPV1 receptor, and CB1 and TRPV1 receptors are often co-expressed on neurons, but have opposite effects, whereby CB1 receptors inhibit neuronal activity and TRPV1 receptor activates neuronal activity. While THC has minimal efficacy at the TRPV1 receptors, other cannabinoids found in the cannabis plant, such as cannabidiol and cannabinol, along with AEA and 2-AG, activate and desensitize the TRPV1 receptor.

There is also a relationship between TRPV1 signaling and stress. While chronic stress leads to a downregulation of CB1 receptors, there is an upregulation of TRPV1 receptors, which can lead to visceral hyperalgesia. Dysregulation of the endocannabinoid system could lead to dysregulation of TRPV1 receptors, and their associations with nausea, vomiting, and stress could indicate why individuals with CHS experience relief from symptoms when they take hot baths or use capsaicin cream."

Canada has a ban on azadirachtin products for cannabis. That's why the CHS cases are so low there.

The cure for MOST of the CHS cases in the USA is to stop using cannabis grown with neem oil, neem seed meal and/or "organic" azadirachtin extract pesticides.

That same paper roundly discredits the idea it's caused by neem oil poisoning for various reasons. Anyone who still believes your irrational idea simply lacks critical thinking and usually back peddle once shown actual science.

"It is sometimes thought, often from anecdotal reports in popular media, that CHS is a result of poisoning from contaminants such as pesticides on cannabis and not from the actual plant constituents themselves. However, support is lacking for this hypothesis in the empirical literature.... Indeed, the symptoms of pesticide poisoning are different than the symptoms of CHS. Pesticide poisoning typically leads to nausea and vomiting, pulmonary and cardiovascular symptoms, convulsions, and hepatic toxicity. The only symptoms that are consistently seen with CHS are nausea and vomiting. Most markedly, compulsive hot bathing, a symptom used as supportive criteria for CHS diagnosis is not present in instances of pesticide poisoning...Moreover, synthetic cannabinoids, which are produced in laboratories and therefore do not have pesticides, can also lead to CHS, further undermining the notion of contamination contributing to CHS."

There are all sorts of growers that use neem oil or azadirachtin concentrates in Canada, just not in the legal system which just recently is estimated to have started supplying the majority of pot (which is questionable but I haven't bothered looking at what they based that off of). So again your point is irrational, if it was caused by neem poisoning then we'd see more incidents of it but we don't. As far as I know the highest rates of CHS correlate with legal states where concentrates are cheap and popular, which is what the link supports; with the abundance of cheap, potent concentrates we're seeing a new issue emerge that wasn't apparent before as it's hard to distinguish from CVS. Which would make sense as concentrates have never taken off as much in Canada as most people generally prefer flower.