High Times Goes Down

[Mr. J]

Except they never gave them their subscription list. And even if they did what does a subscription list tell them without the information that they would have needed to get from the Hydroponics store? How would they know that somebody bought a light? That information didn't come from High Times, obviously.

You guys are really reaching in this assigning guilt to High Times.

 

[mudballs]

I'm just trying to explain the implications of having access to a magazines subscriber database

 

[Capt.Ahab]

I remember late 70's High Times had just as many references and photos to cocaine as it did MJ.

 

[mudballs]

"How would they know that somebody bought a light?"
they dont get that info from HT...it came from somewhere totally disconnected.

 

[Mr. J]

I'm just trying to explain the implications of having access to a magazines subscriber database

I get it but apparently they never even gave them the list. Was the subscription list ever given as evidence at a trial of somebody who was convinced in Operation Green Merchant?

 

[mudballs]

Oh if a three letter agency brought anyone to court they didn't need any info from HT to support the conviction they go after

 

[midwest]

The DEA went to the powers that be at High Times and said, give us all the info you have on the people who advertised growing equipment on your magazine

Yeah...this is all on the books stuff and they would be required to hand this over to the feds every year at tax time.

 

[CharlesU Farley]

I'm just trying to explain the implications of having access to a magazines subscriber database

Follow the money.

It's 'trail of evidence"' ...the DA (district attorney) and a prosecutor can get the subscribers list...Mudballs let's say. Prosecutor has mudballs as HT subscriber...my address is info in my subscription, to get HT hardcopy delivered. Just find the LED sellers shipment addresses...oh look mudballs received an LED at his address listed on HT subscription...why would mudballs need an LED? "Your honor, we have grounds for a warrant to search mudballs property." It's open shut case brah...
"question was what did High Time have to do with people who were busted"
those busted were probably just delivery intercepts of manufacturers, and it's a topic of interest that HT also had people with matching addresses...of course they had matching addresses, that's how the enduser found the LED advertising

Glad you had the time and patience to explain, I'm a little short on both today.

I'm beginning to think everybody thinks the DEA and smugglers, seed sellers, etc all play by Marquess of Queensberry Rules of etiquette, when they're fucking fighting just to stay out of prison, or put people in it.

See this portion of the thread to get a hint of how the DEA _really_ operated back in the day, in the real fucking world. And no doubt still do, it's just they're focus isn't on cannabis anymore. They've got more important things like meth and fentanyl to worry about now:

Overgrow.com any of the OG's in the house?

...... sure would be nice to see ~shabang~ enter the stage! :shucks: :love::cool: Sure would. I've always liked him. He probably wouldn't be very happy with me though. When RC shut him out he wanted me to let him in a back door and I just couldn't do that. He sold control of the site to Hratch...

www.icmag.com

That times they are a changin'... for the better! At least for us cannabis users versus the DEA anyway.

 

[I Care]

I don’t want to stir up any propaganda, but is this receivership thing possible to release any information? I got a Hugh Times like 5 years before I ever took my first puff. I was surprised the guy sold it to me cause it was back there with the nudie mags. Come to think of it, I was a dumb child, I should have came back later and tried buying the nudie mags.

Investigators put cameras on hydro shops to help collect evidence too. That was one of the contributors to me taking break at one point.

 

[Marz]

Either you weren't around back in the '80s or you just don't understand.

And I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to help you understand because you're unable to connect the dots and I don't have the time or inclination to connect them for you.

Completely unable.

 

[mudballs]

(Sips coffee) ...im here all week

 

[mudballs]

So yeah, HT probably gave up  advertisers at a subpoena probably...i dont know about the subscribers list thing.

 

[Mr. J]

Follow the money.

Glad you had the time and patience to explain, I'm a little short on both today.

I'm beginning to think everybody thinks the DEA and smugglers, seed sellers, etc all play by Marquess of Queensberry Rules of etiquette, when they're fucking fighting just to stay out of prison, or put people in it.

See this portion of the thread to get a hint of how the DEA _really_ operated back in the day, in the real fucking world. And no doubt still do, it's just they're focus isn't on cannabis anymore. They've got more important things like meth and fentanyl to worry about now:

Overgrow.com any of the OG's in the house?

...... sure would be nice to see ~shabang~ enter the stage! :shucks: :love::cool: Sure would. I've always liked him. He probably wouldn't be very happy with me though. When RC shut him out he wanted me to let him in a back door and I just couldn't do that. He sold control of the site to Hratch...

www.icmag.com

That times they are a changin'... for the better! At least for us cannabis users versus the DEA anyway.

Nice way to avoid explaining yourself, but you left out the part where the guy you quoted agrees with me that High Times couldn't have had anything to do with any convictions that resulted from Operation Green Merchant.

 

[Mr. J]

So yeah, HT probably gave up  advertisers at a subpoena probably...i dont know about the subscribers list thing.

Yes perhaps, but even so the advertisers were advertising their activities publicly so it would not have been difficult to figure out who they were, just call the number in the ad and order something.

 

[igrowone]

to be fair to HT, or whatever they morphed into
I can't say I've seen the smoking gun of collusion of HT with government alphabet agencies
more of records surrender that they didn't contest as much as they might have?
which would have cost a good deal less than a fight to death in the court system

 

[mudballs]

Yes perhaps, but even so the advertisers were advertising their activities publicly so it would not have been difficult to figure out who they were, just call the number in the ad and order something.

Maybe they meant seed advertisers and DEA can't just open a case by entrapment? The quote i found didn't mention what advertisers really defines does he.

 

[Mr. J]

Maybe they meant seed advertisers and DEA can't just open a case by entrapment? The quote i found didn't mention what advertisers really defines does he.

Operation Green Merchant specifically targeted hydroponics shops.

 

[Mr. J]

Apparently they also looked at Nevil's seed bank.

To hold High Times responsible for people getting busted is ridiculous.

 

[mudballs]

state vs. Lewis
Case where feds just up and busted a dude cuz he bought equipment. No mention of HT.
That mag kept my spirits up during no grow years.

 

[RobFromTX]

I call the magazine "bend over times". They accept money to advertise well known grifters like BC bud depot who turn around and screw everyone they can. Haven't read it in many years but i hope they're crashing and burning. Couldn't happen to a more deserving magazine