That is a good looking run any day... killer for a first run in a new system. Nice work.
Root shots?
Root shots?
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Thats a fantastic rig you built there man. (after a glance) thats wicked!
Sorry homie, you just stepped outside of my experience. I don't wanna give you any answers that might burn your house down.
Those are some fine looking plants, BTW!
If you are not going to use anything else in the house and only use power from that 100 amp sub panel then you could leave the 100 amp main. If it's a 100 amp main it's probably old and could use updated anyways. Upgrading the main to a 200 would be a good idea, this requires an electrician and sometimes the power company to disconnect the main. If you can find a friendly electrician tell them what you need and let them make the plan. It's complicated enough that it might be worth a new thread in the design forum so the electrical guys that hang out there will see it.
Big HELL YEAH, nice work.
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Thanks man. I will see if i can get some root shots up soon.
I couldnt say, there 2 very different systems. But im flattered to be used in the same sentence as bobble
Thanks scroger!!
Thanks Anti, I think i have the power sorted out now, just need to have the pro do it.
Thanks for the help gardenbug, i will be doing the main breaker upgrade and running a 100amp sub panel to the grow, with a dedicated 208v 125 amp for the mini split.
AMAZING ! And thats with 1 1000w bulb right ?
Man i cant wait to see those dry numbers
Yep one 1k bulb. I dont expect any big numbers yet. There is 6 different strains in there, and they were all different sizes going in.
My only objective was to see if my design would get healthy plants from start to finish. Yields will come later with proper veg times and environmental control.
Needless to say im pretty happy with the results so far.
Thanks shhh!
Viagra..lol So far i like how the green crack, and the c99 are lookin. especially since they both finish in about 8 weeks. The g13 is lookin thick but dam! it still needs a couple more weeks making it a 10-11 weeker. same with the NL. Im gonna need 8 weekers for my system to run with cloning and veg times to work best.
Thanks a bunch HGO!
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Major air exchange is a good thing? right? even in a sealed room using a lung room supplemented with co2 and AC? 2xs a minute cycling to and from the lung room.
It will kick ass to have that air moving all the time???
Whereas a sealed room without a lung will just have oscilating fans moving air around. OK but not as good?
My first idea was to run each chamber on a different light schedule 12/12. ex: (room A 7am-7pm lights on.) (room B 7pm-7am lights on.) Reason being: it will be easier on the AC to cool the rooms and run more efficiently if one room is in the dark period, acting as part of the lung.
But then we have the dreaded c02. Which is absolutely mandatory in a sealed type operation. So this begs the question:
We all know c02 isnt used by the plant during the night. But at what level of c02 does it harm plants in the night cycle? or will it even harm them? Ive researched this and cant find any real data if it harms plants at night.
But from the quote above from Imaginaryfriend he states that 800 is ok for plants in the dark cycle. But i need to be absolutely sure before i start the build.
Or maybe i should just run the lights on the same schedule (both rooms) upgrade to a slightly bigger mini split and c02 wont be a problem? but then the small lung room will become a problem! uhh..
Im thinking out loud here trying to reason why im doing things a certain way..lol
Any thoughts would be helpfull.
lol... let me help you out brother.
The point of a lung room, is to remove equipment from the grow room, so that heat isn't an issue... and you can fit more plants in the room.
If you're running a sealed room, there is no need to exchange the air, just keep the CO2 ppms constant and the temperature under control... The excess heat can be blown out into the lung room and be exhausted somewhere... Or I guess you would use an a/c, and the heat from the a/c would get put into the lung room to be exhausted.
I say fuck CO2. Major air exchange FTW. You're looking for problems with higher temps and straight hydro. Did you get a chiller for your feed? That would be the only way I would proceed with such a project.
Plants take in CO2 during lights on, and let it out during lights off. I wouldn't worry about how much is in the air... They'll just ignore it.
The point of a lung room, is to remove equipment from the grow room, so that heat isn't an issue... and you can fit more plants in the room.
If you're running a sealed room, there is no need to exchange the air, just keep the CO2 ppms constant and the temperature under control... The excess heat can be blown out into the lung room and be exhausted somewhere... Or I guess you would use an a/c, and the heat from the a/c would get put into the lung room to be exhausted.
I say fuck CO2. Major air exchange FTW. You're looking for problems with higher temps and straight hydro. Did you get a chiller for your feed? That would be the only way I would proceed with such a project.
Plants take in CO2 during lights on, and let it out during lights off. I wouldn't worry about how much is in the air... They'll just ignore it.
CO2 will not harm the plant. There is a cool story about a huge CO2 bubble that escaped from the earth, popped out of a lake, killed EVERYONE with the area, scientists came back and the plants around the area were HUGE.
You can crank CO2 to 10,000 PPM and it will kill bugs and mites, but your babies will be just fine. 10K PPM will also kill you, so make sure you respect the gas.
You can crank CO2 to 10,000 PPM and it will kill bugs and mites, but your babies will be just fine. 10K PPM will also kill you, so make sure you respect the gas.
First. This looks great.
Second if you're getting a new place setup. I would ask the power company for a 200 amp drop the residence, to replace the 100 amps. Then you could dedicate 100 amps to the grow and 100 amps to the house. Which is something your electrician could do for you. If the existing power structure(on the street) allows it, it shouldn't be an issue. This will give you the option to expand however you like in the future.
Lots of houses were built before all these appliances, computers, hot tubs etc....So they were not wired for as much power as we use today.
Thanks for sharing the grow. I'm going to go back through and read this thread for sure.
I agree with the air exchange ftw. I move massive amounts of air, but I also run a coco based system, so it's not as susceptible to temps. I will be setting up a sealed AC room for veg and clones, as these have to be on during the day(when it gets hot around here). For flower though, I don't think I'd expend the energy or time on sealing my room. I like the option of aircooling my hoods in the summer and running bare bulb in the winter. I love bare bulb.
Second if you're getting a new place setup. I would ask the power company for a 200 amp drop the residence, to replace the 100 amps. Then you could dedicate 100 amps to the grow and 100 amps to the house. Which is something your electrician could do for you. If the existing power structure(on the street) allows it, it shouldn't be an issue. This will give you the option to expand however you like in the future.
Lots of houses were built before all these appliances, computers, hot tubs etc....So they were not wired for as much power as we use today.
Thanks for sharing the grow. I'm going to go back through and read this thread for sure.
I agree with the air exchange ftw. I move massive amounts of air, but I also run a coco based system, so it's not as susceptible to temps. I will be setting up a sealed AC room for veg and clones, as these have to be on during the day(when it gets hot around here). For flower though, I don't think I'd expend the energy or time on sealing my room. I like the option of aircooling my hoods in the summer and running bare bulb in the winter. I love bare bulb.
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Thanks for the help Bobble. In my area i could only run an open room with major air exchange 6 months a year (winter) and stay within parameters. Ive tried it and when the warmer months come the room temps jump up quick. even running lights at night. Not to mention daytime lights off temps still rise too much. Ac is a must. ergo c02 is a must.
Believe me if i could not use AC and co2 i would be a happy guy!
Thus bringing me to what i figure would really crank as far as environment. "A sealed room exchanging air 2xs a minute with the lung" and the co2 enriched cool air that a lung will provide.
I can picture my vertical racks being replenished with co2 enriched conditioned air circulated from low passive intakes through the lower wall of the center lung into the chamber moving up through the leaves (where c02 is best absorbed) and up through the carbon filter back to the lung just to be reconditioned and recirculated again.
To me its sounds like a dream..
Yes chillers will be used most definaetly.
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CO2 will not harm the plant. There is a cool story about a huge CO2 bubble that escaped from the earth, popped out of a lake, killed EVERYONE with the area, scientists came back and the plants around the area were HUGE.
You can crank CO2 to 10,000 PPM and it will kill bugs and mites, but your babies will be just fine. 10K PPM will also kill you, so make sure you respect the gas.
Cool story man! I just needed to know if plants during the night cycle being in a constant 800-1200ppm would have any ill effect.
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Thanks AR, Ive been reading about what needs to be done and you are spot on. I will need to upgrade my main panel for sure, especially for when i build the new pool! So much to do, i just wanna go to costa rica and surf and forget about it! lol
They off gas CO2 at night and do better in high CO2 environments. I bet if you kept it 1600PPM 20 hrs a day (first 10 for room A, last 10 for room B, 4 hour break in the middle to allow you to work), you would kill it!
I thought I had read somewhere that high concentration of CO2 before lights on -- photosythetic period -- could keep stomata closed... thereby shutting down respiration.
I went to some of my references, and couldn't find evidence of this.
So maybe my memory is full of shit.
Anyway... I don't think the number really matters too much, provided:
1. You are supplementing,
2. You have excellence air exchange and air moment within the canopy so that there are no pockets of air that have been exhausted of the CO2.
Oversimplifying the idea: A certain quantity of carbon is used in generating a sugar molecule/plant cell/whatever. A certain quantity of photons are used in the reaction. A certain quantity of mineral components are used in this process.
As long as there is always a CO2 molecule outside the stomata, it's business as usual. All you need to do is make sure there's CO2 available outside the cell. Rapidly moving a non-depleted 350 PPM over all the leaf surface is better than a super saturated room with stagnant air pockets.
1. Change your room out 2xminute. (This is a component of gentle but massive air movement).
2. Supplement (so there's always some CO2 available).
3. Get the fuck out of the way.
I went to some of my references, and couldn't find evidence of this.
So maybe my memory is full of shit.
Anyway... I don't think the number really matters too much, provided:
1. You are supplementing,
2. You have excellence air exchange and air moment within the canopy so that there are no pockets of air that have been exhausted of the CO2.
Oversimplifying the idea: A certain quantity of carbon is used in generating a sugar molecule/plant cell/whatever. A certain quantity of photons are used in the reaction. A certain quantity of mineral components are used in this process.
As long as there is always a CO2 molecule outside the stomata, it's business as usual. All you need to do is make sure there's CO2 available outside the cell. Rapidly moving a non-depleted 350 PPM over all the leaf surface is better than a super saturated room with stagnant air pockets.
1. Change your room out 2xminute. (This is a component of gentle but massive air movement).
2. Supplement (so there's always some CO2 available).
3. Get the fuck out of the way.
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Um.
Wow.
To my eye, it's almost too much.
But when is too much ever enough?
