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Hail Hydro 2.0: New Beginnings
- Thread starter PetFlora
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I think it's important to have before root pictures. I will take more as I see significant improvement/bulk
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Time honored McCree Curve data was sorely overdue for a 21st century re-evaluation, due modern tech
This should have a major impact on LEDS designed for horticulture
https://fluence.science/redefining-the-mccree-curve-at-utah-state-university/
This should have a major impact on LEDS designed for horticulture
https://fluence.science/redefining-the-mccree-curve-at-utah-state-university/
time to make up a fresh batch of nutes since the plants have grown a lot since 11/09, which means they shit lot through their roots (and mine haven't exactly been the healthiest roots in the previous 3 weeks of flower.
Foliar Spray: I neglected to do this in my prior seedling attempt and had unusually long spaces between nodes. Thinking those were 3 probable males, I tossed them, so... early veg foliar seems to pay dividends
The babies close spaced nodes and large developing leafs seem to be due to foliar feeding 2xs/day just started this past week
Let's have a look
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Foliar Spray: I neglected to do this in my prior seedling attempt and had unusually long spaces between nodes. Thinking those were 3 probable males, I tossed them, so... early veg foliar seems to pay dividends
The babies close spaced nodes and large developing leafs seem to be due to foliar feeding 2xs/day just started this past week
Let's have a look
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Thought I would show what grows under the hood, probably because I use NPK Raw Enzymes and maybe the Yucca, which is a whetting agent. OR, it could be the O2Grow 2020.
Of course I cleaned it all out, and used chlorine to kill anything that might be attached to the plastic tote
Fresh nutes @ 500ppm
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Of course I cleaned it all out, and used chlorine to kill anything that might be attached to the plastic tote
Fresh nutes @ 500ppm
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Frustrated by the clogging, I FINALLY changed out the high pressure mist heads for low pressure (see pics). Now the "problem" with that is the roots will get too wet (my lowest timer setting is 1/2 minute), BUT better too wet than too dry, as I found this morning-yet again.
I also double wrapped the pump filter area though that might not be necessary now
The babies look amazing now
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I also double wrapped the pump filter area though that might not be necessary now
The babies look amazing now
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Flowering Plants: buds are on the not so tight side, so I made a fresh gallon of a bit more concentrated nutes, plus more Root Wizard. FYI, the roots are showing signs of new growth.The pistils have darkened quite a bit in the last 5 days, a bit faster than I recall
Babies: I trimmed roots and a number of large shade leafs (looks like 2 males, maybe 3), plus added more nutes as they are sucking it up
Babies: I trimmed roots and a number of large shade leafs (looks like 2 males, maybe 3), plus added more nutes as they are sucking it up
UPDATE
Nuggz are phattening up, though they aren't close to past grows which had much better root systems (and 2-3xs the diameter main stalk), but MUCH better than one would expect considering the miniscule root balls
The nasty looking and very tiny root pic is from the vertical bud picture. Who would have thought?!
Babies: In spite of growing them under the same LED as the others (Amare SE 230), but off to the side, they are doing really good. I trimmed a bunch of shade leafs yesterday as they were completely darkening the lower branches, which were stretching to get some light. This exposed the min stems which are almost the same diameter as the flowering plants, as they should considering the nice rootballs. I did move one (I think it's a male) to the big girls tote to make room in the bubbler for the other 4
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Nuggz are phattening up, though they aren't close to past grows which had much better root systems (and 2-3xs the diameter main stalk), but MUCH better than one would expect considering the miniscule root balls
The nasty looking and very tiny root pic is from the vertical bud picture. Who would have thought?!
Babies: In spite of growing them under the same LED as the others (Amare SE 230), but off to the side, they are doing really good. I trimmed a bunch of shade leafs yesterday as they were completely darkening the lower branches, which were stretching to get some light. This exposed the min stems which are almost the same diameter as the flowering plants, as they should considering the nice rootballs. I did move one (I think it's a male) to the big girls tote to make room in the bubbler for the other 4
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Thanks for the PM Bobby, but it's not what you think
All water to make nutes (as well as to cook and drink) is via RO with ~ <18ppm product water
Second root pic from my current grow using my DIY 4 stone bubbler and the roots hammocked due to DWC. The first pic is my previous aero roots (minimal hammocking). I was using the same set up this grow; a lpa pump with hpa mist heads.
As you can see those roots were amazing due to zero clogging. This time I fought constant clogging (they went hours each day without a good drink). I was unclogging them 2-3 xs a day/ I finally replaced all the hpa heads with lpa. They look so dark due to over using Emerald Harvest Root Wizard in hopes of regrowing them; that stuff is dark and does stain.
Why I didn't have the clogging issue then is a mystery
BUT, somehow, in spite of hardly any roots, I am going to get a decent yield
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All water to make nutes (as well as to cook and drink) is via RO with ~ <18ppm product water
Second root pic from my current grow using my DIY 4 stone bubbler and the roots hammocked due to DWC. The first pic is my previous aero roots (minimal hammocking). I was using the same set up this grow; a lpa pump with hpa mist heads.
As you can see those roots were amazing due to zero clogging. This time I fought constant clogging (they went hours each day without a good drink). I was unclogging them 2-3 xs a day/ I finally replaced all the hpa heads with lpa. They look so dark due to over using Emerald Harvest Root Wizard in hopes of regrowing them; that stuff is dark and does stain.
Why I didn't have the clogging issue then is a mystery
BUT, somehow, in spite of hardly any roots, I am going to get a decent yield
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A grower on another thread made a root rot is a bitch comment. It reminded me to start doing something I did only once a while ago, but should have been repeating probably every day- soaking the roots in ~ 3% h2o2. 
I used a 32oz cup into which the 3" net pots fit. Filled with enough RO water to fully submerge each net pot. I added ~ 2 droppers full of food grade 35% h202 and let it soak for 10 timed minutes. I then dumped the water, and repeated thee procedure for the other 2 plants. I will repeat in a few hours
I used a 32oz cup into which the 3" net pots fit. Filled with enough RO water to fully submerge each net pot. I added ~ 2 droppers full of food grade 35% h202 and let it soak for 10 timed minutes. I then dumped the water, and repeated thee procedure for the other 2 plants. I will repeat in a few hours
Young Ladies
Looks like all are females. I moved 2 of them to the aero tote which has bloom nutes
Mixed Emerald Harvest 2 Part Bloom nutes + CaMg + silica + yucca to the DWC tote
They are almost as tall as the mature Ladies, so I lowered the dwc tote. It is now at the same plain as the aero tote, putting the canopies ~ 15" below the light.
Older Ladies
I dunked them this morning in the h202 solution for 15 minutes
Looks like all are females. I moved 2 of them to the aero tote which has bloom nutes
Mixed Emerald Harvest 2 Part Bloom nutes + CaMg + silica + yucca to the DWC tote
They are almost as tall as the mature Ladies, so I lowered the dwc tote. It is now at the same plain as the aero tote, putting the canopies ~ 15" below the light.
Older Ladies
I dunked them this morning in the h202 solution for 15 minutes
I had a Brilliant Brain Fart this morning, and not a minute too soon!
It occurred to me to swap the young plants with very good root systems to the aero tote, and the mature plants to the DWC where they would get constant food and moisture. WELL...
as I pulled them out of the aero tote the net pots were bone dry! WTF?
Yesterday, I adjusted the 2 pvc sections where 4 of the mist heads were for better coverage, and at some point the pvc connections popped off due to me not pushing them in hard enough, meaning NONE of the nutrients were getting to the mist heads for a good while, probably > 18 hours.
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It occurred to me to swap the young plants with very good root systems to the aero tote, and the mature plants to the DWC where they would get constant food and moisture. WELL...
as I pulled them out of the aero tote the net pots were bone dry! WTF?
Yesterday, I adjusted the 2 pvc sections where 4 of the mist heads were for better coverage, and at some point the pvc connections popped off due to me not pushing them in hard enough, meaning NONE of the nutrients were getting to the mist heads for a good while, probably > 18 hours.
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Timer Swap
Timer Swap
I finally made the change
I have a Sentinel MDT 1, which is a digital timer with multi functions. I'ts been idling in my upstairs room all this time. Why, you ask?
Well, Typically, I start the seedlngs/clones downstairs where I am most of the day, so easier to keep an eye on them. And as you know from this grow it was a good thing because of the constant clogging issues.
But, since swapping out the hpa for the lpa mist heads, clogging is no loner an issue, BUT, lpa heads spray a ton more water, and the timer I have been using is only semi-accurate at 1/2 minute, which means the roots are getting SOAKED. No bueno for root hair development
MDT-1 now in place. I started at 10 seconds, but will likely end up in the 5 second area until I get it dialed in for future grows
Timer Swap
I finally made the change
I have a Sentinel MDT 1, which is a digital timer with multi functions. I'ts been idling in my upstairs room all this time. Why, you ask?
Well, Typically, I start the seedlngs/clones downstairs where I am most of the day, so easier to keep an eye on them. And as you know from this grow it was a good thing because of the constant clogging issues.
But, since swapping out the hpa for the lpa mist heads, clogging is no loner an issue, BUT, lpa heads spray a ton more water, and the timer I have been using is only semi-accurate at 1/2 minute, which means the roots are getting SOAKED. No bueno for root hair development
MDT-1 now in place. I started at 10 seconds, but will likely end up in the 5 second area until I get it dialed in for future grows
OK, so yesterday I inserted my digital timer but only plugged in the lpa pump for o/o cycling. It's been a long tme since I used it, and I made a mistake setting it at 6 minutes instead of 6 seconds, meaning the roots were really getting soaked
This morning I corrected to 6 seconds, and included the lights o/o, but was unable to connect my O2Grow plug, Manufacture says 30 minutes on 4 hours off, and I was frequently forgetting to set my timer, so I used my analog deep cycle timer for it. It is above the digital timer in the picture with the O2G plugged in (see photo)
Now 100% automated
Mature ladies are looking good, considering all they've been through. One could be pulled, but I am giving her another 5-7 days in hopes of more trichs and swelling calyxes
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This morning I corrected to 6 seconds, and included the lights o/o, but was unable to connect my O2Grow plug, Manufacture says 30 minutes on 4 hours off, and I was frequently forgetting to set my timer, so I used my analog deep cycle timer for it. It is above the digital timer in the picture with the O2G plugged in (see photo)
Now 100% automated
Mature ladies are looking good, considering all they've been through. One could be pulled, but I am giving her another 5-7 days in hopes of more trichs and swelling calyxes
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