Global Pacific Nutirents Test

[Avenger]

TheBM and sunnyside together in one thread.

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[TheBioMaster]

TheBM and sunnyside together in one thread.

Epic

Sorry bro, I do not have the energy these days for "epic" thread discussions anymore....

This last post or rather "plea" I should say on this particular topic will be as about as close to "epic" as I can muster....LOL!

As always I am available for PM's if someone has questions or is interested in learning more about proper plant nutrition for hydroponic systems like DWC, RDWC, ect...

This is not pointed at you avenger so plz do not take what I say personally......

But you know what guys, I do not enjoy sounding like a broken record and I do not enjoy trying to help people see the "reality" of the plant nutrient market....trying to help people see the very CORE fundamental flaws in plant nutrition programs new and old... the bottom line is I am on YOUR side, lets try and remember that part please....I do not sell anything or get any kind of kickbacks, and all post are meant in hopes of preventing someone from making the same mistakes I and others have made over and over again.

Little trivia for you guys.......Did you know that when you say or tell someone something that they do not think to be true or what they believe that the very same area of the brain activates that would activate when you are being physically attacked or in extreme danger?? It is true.....I swear!! You might as well be coming at someone with extreme anger, aggression, and a BASEBALL BAT as far as there brain is concerned. Our brain can not tell the difference......

This is why people react almost violently in some cases and tend to "lash out" when someone says or tells them something that they do not think is true or is what THEY believe to be true!

Anyhow......You look to hydro shops and nutrient companies to gain insight and help on making healthy and safe and COST effective choices.....and unfortunately these people seem to know the LEAST about plant nutrition and the MOST about marketing products. So where can you turn??

As SCIENCE makes progress in plant biology we are learning that these older ways of growing methods are not healthy and most importantly they are not SUSTAINABLE methods to provide plant nutrition. They are GIMMICKS! Plain and simple and were designed by a marketing company and NOT a company that deals in plant nutrition. They do not CARE what the end product is really.....Cartoon labels on the bottle is a huge RED FLAG! Is it not?? In what world filled with COMMON SENSE could this NOT be a huge RED FLAG that marketing gimmicks "might" be at work here???

NOT the message your trying to send to consumers or what yur company is about??? Then here is a GREAT tip....DO NOT PUT CARTOON LABELS ON THE BOTTLES!!! BRILLIANT RIGHT??

I swear there should be a test ALL business owners must take before allowed to even open a business that proves competency at the very least......instead all you need is money to start a business...ANY business!

Just like a nutrient company owner states that he is not a scientist or a plant nutrition specialist, and is NOT the one doing the work or research, he is also not the one designing and deploying marketing tactics to sell the product for a profit and within a set "profit margin".....he instead hires someone who he hopes IS a expert in the needed fields. Can you see the problem with this line of business ethics or where things might go wrong?? There are MANY dots to be connected here if one takes the time to think about it.

Plant Biology is like human biology, we know a few things but STILL do not understand FUNDAMENTAL BASICS!!

The more you learn about plant nutrition and plant biology the more you begin to easily see through all the marketing and gimmicks.....it is EXTREME and out of control!!

So much that they have brain washed you into thinking that two separate formulas (grow & bloom) are needed for these fast growing plants which is the BIGGEST marketing ploy of them all!!

I mean seriously....how deep down the rabbit hole do you wanna go???

Get yourself edgumacated......and fast. Take a class, READ A BOOK (And make sure the book was NOT written by someone wearing a wig or with painted green skin and a funny hat....not the folks you want to be learning from I assure you!)! But please do NOT make google searches the extent of your research and study.

 

[Weird Jimmy]

BTM - I've been a grow shop owner for about eight months now, and I've been a completely organic indoor gardener for about 15 years; you're telling me that I know more about marketing than plant biology??? That's insanely insulting, man, and quite frankly pisses me off. In fact, you entire message sounds so condescending and arrogant, that it's almost impossible to take you "SERIOUSLY", as you would say (and "SERIOUSLY", what's with all the caps lock???)

While I won't respond to everything you said, one of your very first points was "Wow....that is going to get expensive really fast." Let's do a little cost analysis shall we? Sunnyside said his msrp for the entire line is $92.50 for 100 gallon reservoir. At my store we generally give our customers a 15% discount on nutrients, so you'd be out of pocket $78.63 at that point... Now we do a little math... and divide by the... and GPN comes out to $0.79/gallon. Now let's compare:

Advanced Nutrients ("Hobbyist Schedule") - $0.86/gallon
Advanced Nutrients ("Professional Schedule") - $1.81/gallon
Canna - $1.78/gallon
House & Garden - $1.25/gallon
... Are you sure you still want to consider the GPN nutrients expensive?

The fact is, this thread was made by a really good friend of mine for the purposes of testing a new nutrient line. If it works, it works; if it doesn't, it doesn't. No matter how much you want to believe it's true, there are no ulterior motives or secret marketing tactics going on. We don't gain anything by trying to hype these products, or make any extra cash. It's a test... And you're right, you do sound like a broken record; so before you open your know-it-all mouth about a product you've never ever used, why don't you just hang back and watch the test with the rest of us?

And here are some random shots from my gardens over the past few years... Now tell me again how I know more about marketing than plant biology. Even better, let's put some of you pics up against mine.... (ps I never give negative rep cuz I'm not a girl, but if I was a girl, I'd give you neg rep all day)

 

[Weird Jimmy]

And I just have to ask; why in the world do you care what a nutrients packaging looks look like? If I took your favorite nutrients and packaged them inside rubber duckies, would you stop using them because "they're no longer SERIOUS"??? You make little, to no, sense to me.

I would like to respond with the line from the movie "The Dark Knight" where the Joker asks his next victim "WHY... SO... SERIOUS????"

lol, peace out, this will be the last time I ever reference The BM Master in a post....

 

[standsideways]

And I just have to ask; why in the world do you care what a nutrients packaging looks look like? If I took your favorite nutrients and packaged them inside rubber duckies, would you stop using them because "they're no longer SERIOUS"??? You make little, to no, sense to me.

I was just about to say exactly this.
(we know the answer already)

+ rep to you
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AN is so hated that anything that reminds those folks of AN, immediately gets flamed as if it were an AN product.

 

[GPN]

Hi I'm Niki General Manager for Global Pacific Nutrients! Thank you Greenwithenvy for starting this thread and taking the time to test the products.

Thanks Weird Jimmy for the MRSP comparison and the beautiful pictures of your girls!

I have 9+ years working in this industry for nutrient manufacturers and 15+ growing experience. So I know a little

as for TheBioMasters statement :
"designed by a marketing company and NOT a company that deals in plant nutrition. They do not CARE what the end product is really"

Nope not true, so I'll call BS on that. We are not a marketing company at all! We are growers who took the time to figure out what we wanted and put that idea to our team who designed our formulas (which I am part of) We care, the attention to detail over every batch is precise and some times overkill- our team loves to roll their eyes at me as I go all obsessive on them but quality control and customer service are one of the founding elements for this company.

and "Advanced Nutrients claims the same thing, except they have PHD's"

We are not Advanced, the only comparison we have is that we are both located in Beautiful British Columbia. Yes they do have PhD's that do their testing, so??

I'm proud of what we are doing and to hear someone trash us without knowing a single thing about our products hurts. When I stumble across this thread while googling yesterday I needed the facts to be posted on here, and JD is much better at writing and public speaking than me so you get eloquent posts from him and my direct thoughts from me.

 

[standsideways]

Welcome GPN

Glad to hear there is another canadian nutrient company!

 

[sunnyside]

bio masta..I'd love to chat...pm me

Questioning information from a online forum chat is expected...

Please no hate... If you don't like it, you can let it be... Up to you.

 

[sunnyside]

my girl... love ya niki!

 

[sunnyside]

Peace love and monster buds...

 

[standsideways]

Cant argue with that monster

 

[sunnyside]

Just like a nutrient company owner states that he is not a scientist or a plant nutrition specialist, and is NOT the one doing the work or research, he is also not the one designing and deploying marketing tactics to sell the product for a profit and within a set "profit margin".....he instead hires someone who he hopes IS a expert in the needed fields. Can you see the problem with this line of business ethics or where things might go wrong?? There are MANY dots to be connected here if one takes the time to think about it.

I am not a scientist... I am however considered an 'expert' in plant nutrition, indoor gardening, and plant nutrition. I am considered by others as such. I don't claim any title other than devoted connoisseur. I personally have been testing nutrient profile for the past 18 months in my gardens and in the countless gardens I oversee as a primary consultant for caregivers around this great state.

Please BM pm me if you would like further info...I've got to get back to my other job, MARKETING! MUAAAA lol

 

[Shafto]

Just curious, Sunnyside you own GPN and are in NorCal but GPN makes the nutes in BC?

Is Technaflora now defunct and these nutes are made at the old Technaflora facility? If that's the case please keep the mag-i-cal formula the same, it's the best cal-mag product on the market.

I'm a dry nute guy myself, I like to spend less than $10 per 100 gallon.

Good luck with your endeavours.

 

[GPN]

Sunnyside works from the US. GPN is located in BC but is not in anyway associated with Technaflora other than we both used to work for them. Try our our Calm (CaMg product) I think you will be happy with the extra chelates in it.

Thanks Shafto!

BTW we have no association with any other nutrient company, our products are not replicates of any other.

 

[sunnyside]

I'm never going to grow jilly bean, or sour diesel, or blue moonshine, or ducks foot, etc etc, etc, the names are way to silly for me........................... See the inequity in those statements

Try it or don't...It's fire. If I threw everything in my momma room out because of silly names...I'd have to start from seed.

FUCK... all these seed strains have silly names too....

back to work now...niki will kill me if I stay here all day

 

[standsideways]

I'm never going to grow jilly bean, or sour diesel, or blue moonshine, or ducks foot, etc etc, etc, the names are way to silly for me........................... See the inequity in those statements

Try it or don't...It's fire. If I threw everything in my momma room out because of silly names...I'd have to start from seed.

FUCK... all these seed strains have silly names too....

back to work now...niki will kill me if I stay here all day

I see what you did there LOL

Funny how people dont like cartoons but for example: afghani#1 sells less then "sour green alien crack bubble"

Lol back to work for you sir.

 

[Shafto]

Sunnyside works from the US. GPN is located in BC but is not in anyway associated with Technaflora other than we both used to work for them. Try our our Calm (CaMg product) I think you will be happy with the extra chelates in it.

Thanks Shafto!

BTW we have no association with any other nutrient company, our products are not replicates of any other.

Thanks for your response.

Mag-i-cal has iron DTPA and EDTA, which is the only thing I'm really concerned with chelating. What other chelates are in the Calm?

 

[GPN]

Thanks for your response.

Mag-i-cal has iron DTPA and EDTA, which is the only thing I'm really concerned with chelating. What other chelates are in the Calm?

Calm also has Fe EDDHA. We also add Ca EDTA and don't add Ca Chloride.

Our MRSP on a 1L is $15 and from what I can see Magical is around $19 online.

 

[VagPuncher]

Holy fucking christ.

Please tell me that is Bob Probert on the bottle!

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[GPN]

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Yes it definitely is! He was a dear friend of the company's owners