overmind1632
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Oh yeah another question, are the A11 Genuis pheno and Genuis phenos known to be heavy, normal, or low yielders?
Genius Phenotype Characteristics
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Overmind -
I think this is a prime example of the "zig-zag" to look for.
It's kinda like you pinched them at the node and bent the stem.
CC - it is crazy when you see Sleepys "Ghunk" (pronounced as junk hehe) it does look like Deep chunk gave Genius some monster leaves, chunkier buds, sturdier stems, and frost like a hash plant. Or Genius gave the Chunk some stretch and branches along with elongating the buds to spears rather than golf ball and twinkie size buds.
I am really interested in how the two combined on the effects side of things.
I believe Genius is an average yielder
Highlighter said:Example of zig-zagging branches on a early-vegging Apollo.
I think this is a prime example of the "zig-zag" to look for.
It's kinda like you pinched them at the node and bent the stem.
CC - it is crazy when you see Sleepys "Ghunk" (pronounced as junk hehe) it does look like Deep chunk gave Genius some monster leaves, chunkier buds, sturdier stems, and frost like a hash plant. Or Genius gave the Chunk some stretch and branches along with elongating the buds to spears rather than golf ball and twinkie size buds.
I am really interested in how the two combined on the effects side of things.
I believe Genius is an average yielder
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They're not known for their massive yields, but not bad. Average, I'd reckon. 
Has anyone experianced any other strains which exhibit the zig zagging pattern?
I recently saw a delahaze (fem) show zig zagging and since there is no info on this strains makeup, it really makes me wonder. Never did get to see the results from the delahaze, it belonged to a friend i was visiting in CA.
I recently saw a delahaze (fem) show zig zagging and since there is no info on this strains makeup, it really makes me wonder. Never did get to see the results from the delahaze, it belonged to a friend i was visiting in CA.
CHEESE can zigzag alot
probbly not the best pic to show a zigzag in cheese...i can still see it tho
probbly not the best pic to show a zigzag in cheese...i can still see it tho
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overmind1632
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englishrick said:CHEESE can zigzag alot
probbly not the best pic to show a zigzag in cheese...i can still see it tho
Is that the UK Cheese Clone or Green House Cheese?
its the clone.....i was gifted it from a someone who was on personal terms with EXODUS dudes,,,,it was part of there ethics to pass good clones.......this clone has ruled my life since 06....ive grown high class cuts beffore but F`me it stinks, total security problem
it has smallish sativa type leafs an a weird branch structure.....buds tend to foxtail at maturity,,,stacked calaxes
i allways thought ZIGZAG was a skunk trait...........maybe its from the ACOPULCO.gold or COLOUMBIAN.gold used in SK1???
it has smallish sativa type leafs an a weird branch structure.....buds tend to foxtail at maturity,,,stacked calaxes
i allways thought ZIGZAG was a skunk trait...........maybe its from the ACOPULCO.gold or COLOUMBIAN.gold used in SK1???
The MOST pronounced zigzagging branches I've ever seen myself have been on the Genius or the crosses made from her. I had some A11's years ago that grew like creeping landscape plants. They didn't get more than 5 inches high, they just kept spreading outward like a carpet. That's why my current A11 grow from seed is NOT going to be topped.
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I was talking to a dude that has had Genius since it was released to the public from
Soul and he said he thinks it has durban in it. I know none of the lineage points to that and I forget what trait he said leads him to think that but I trust the guy since he is a Genius nut.
Soul and he said he thinks it has durban in it. I know none of the lineage points to that and I forget what trait he said leads him to think that but I trust the guy since he is a Genius nut.
overmind1632
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Well does Durban tend to have the zig zag branching patterns?
If I remember correctly, Genius is similar to C99 and both were found from bag seed of Jack Herer so this zig zag pattern would have to stem from Jack Herer which is Skunk #1, NL #5, and Haze. Was Durban used to make of those?
Genetics of C99
* Cinderella 88 ((Princess x P. 75)
* P.75 {Princess x P. 50)
* P.50(Princess x Shiva Skunk/Princess Brother)
Cinderella Story (Words from the creator of the strain)
I've been seeing a lot of posts from people asking for the "Cinderella Story", so here it is: In 1997, I discovered a few seeds in a bud of Jack Herer I bought @ "Sensi Smile" coffeeshop in Amsterdam while there to buy seeds. I didn't expect much when I grew them, but one of those seeds from the JH bud produced a very special female that I call "Princess". Therefore Princess' mother was a Jack Herer (IF we can believe what Sensi Smile printed on the package) and her father is a totally unidentified mystery plant. I also got 2 more females (Genius & Cafe'Girl) & several males from those seeds. I used pollen from one of the males on a heavy-yielding, dense, resinous ShivaSkunk (from Sensi Seedbank) female, then grew the resulting seeds to get males to produce pollen to cross Princess with, beginning the cubing process. The first generation of seeds from Princess were called P.50 because they were 50% Princess. I used males from the P.50 generation to back-cross to Princess to get P.75 and again back-crossed with the P.75 pollen to get P.88 and again with the P.88 pollen to get P.94 which is "Cinderella 99", a cubed version of Princess. The name "Cinderella" was chosen because of the parallels between this story and the well-known fairy tale in which Cinderella becomes a Princess despite her humble beginning. It's also VERY similar to the story of the "Morgan Horse"...go Figure
I ALWAYS see preflowers between the age of 4 and 6 weeks. Node 6 is commonly where they start, so I'd say you're probably seeing them. The plants that show first are usually males. Look over each plant carefully, using a loupe. If you see a preflower at such an early age, it'll most likely be male, but be SURE before culling it. If you can't find a preflower on a plant, while most of the others HAVE shown... it's most likely a female. Isn't that uniformity NICE? Cinderella 99 is a STABLE strain. Cinderella 88 was close, but this generation is there.
(Cinderella needs odor control?) I don't know if it helps you, but the scent is very sweet and fruity. It won't "fool" anyone who's familiar with MJ, but the average person might not recognize the scent as pot. They start to smell after 3 weeks of 12/12 and they're harvested 4 weeks later, so the SHORT flowering cycle helps a bit by lessening the amount of time your garden "stinks".
Yields are highly Dependant on the methods used. Pruning style and number of plants/area make a BIG difference. I get about 2 lbs every 50 days under 2kW. I grow a combination of bushes and single-cola clones (about 12-20 of 'em) in 2 gallon pots of organic soil, feeding them "teas" of dissolved worm castings, PSG, high phosphorus bat guano and kelp meal. My yields are average at best. Professional growers write me saying they get 2lbs/kW, which I'm sure is true.
The scent given off by Cinderella is NOT the typical "pot stench"...not at all skunky -she's sweet and fruity. Someone passing by the flowering room MIGHT not recognize the scent as pot and mistake it for tropical flowers. When you rub the resin you can definitely smell it. C-99 is more "psychedelic"... I think that's what you're looking for eh? Just be sure to smoke a LITTLE, wait 10 minutes, then think about whether or not you need any more...it's easy to over-indulge and become paranoid.
Haze is my favourite high. Very "trippy" C-99 is has more of the Haze type of high because the mother (Princess), has that kind of high and each time I back-cross to her the next generation gets a bit more of it. Smoking PURE Princess buds is a bit scary... it's too "speedy" and paranoia-inducing for most people. But she's so RESINOUS (see photo) and her flavour is just so delicious and fruity that I knew back-crossing her to her offspring over several generations would create a strain which is actually BETTER than the original mother in terms of a more PLEASING high. It was successful beyond my expectations.
The progression I went through was: P.50 = Princess/(ShivaSkunk/Princess'Brother) P.75 = Princess/P.50 Cinderella 88 = Princess/P.75 Cinderella 99 = Princess/Cinderella 88 Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency: P.50 was rather mellow, P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavour, Cinderella 88 is cerebral and paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavour, and Cinderella 99 is "TRIP WEED" with more of the fruity flavour and speedy effect from Princess. C-99 will be a bigger yielder and faster finisher (than D/T) - which I personally think makes more sense to begin a grow with. If you're growing under 1000W lamps, you should easily get a pound of C-99 per lamp after a 7 week flowering period. When you have all the weed you need and can take your time waiting for a long-flowering Sativa, THEN start those "extra" beans (included in your order)... I don't know what the Bros Grimm sent you, but it's NOT Durban/Thai. I'm still developing it, so they won't see it for about 6 months.
Thanks for noticing her she IS beautiful! Cafe'Girl is a sister of "Princess" - Princess is the mother of the Cinderella series. Cafe'Girl smells like a combination of ginger, orange and cream... kinda smells like a "Creamsicle" -you know those ice cream bars? She has the highest YIELD of the 3 Sisters (Princess, Genius and Cafe'Girl). Cafe'Girl makes HUGE, DENSE, SPARKLING buds with a lovely high. A really sweet high, in that you never feel paranoid and it continues to "creep up" over the first 15 minutes after you smoke, leaving you feeling warm and at peace with life. Bros Grimm may offer an hybrid of Cafe'Girl when enough testing of her offspring has been completed.
Sure, I'd be glad to answer your q's: 1. I flower clones when they're about a foot tall and they double in height during flowering. 2. They clone SUPER EASY. 3. Crossing Cindy 88's will you a variety of phenotypes... they're not stable. Cindy 99 IS STABLE. 4. The seeds are small, tan in colour and "speckled" not striped. If you ordered from either Bros.Grimm or Heaven's Stairway you WON'T get ripped off...but I'll describe the plants: As seedlings they're fast-growing, Indica-dominant with fairly wide leaves. They show preflowers @ 5-6 weeks old WITHOUT FAIL. They NEVER herm, so if the pre-flowers have pistils, it's FEMALE forever. They flower RAPIDLY - you probably won't believe how fat and dense and frosty they'll be @ 4-5 weeks 12/12. The flower/leaf is EXTREMELY high; the tops of the colas go NUTS at about 5 weeks into flowering, sending braid-like floral cluster projections out in all directions without any leaves. Just before that happens, hundreds of SNOW WHITE pistils make the tip of the colas look like they're wearing fur caps! The resin production is HEAVY (again, you won't believe it), a HEAVENLY scent of tropical fruit and berries begins to fill the room @ 3 weeks of 12/12 and just keeps getting more overpowering 'til they're done. The finished smoke is the type of high that keeps you UP; it's very cerebral - the only body effect is the "jitters". I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking to "mellow out" on the sofa, BUT if you wanted to smoke before going running or cycling - PERFECT! I smoked C-88 one eve after trying Silver Haze and the C-88 buzz cut RIGHT THROUGH the high of the Haze so badly that my wife asked me, "what did you do?... smoke too much?" The flavour is just like the scent; fruity and sweet...not at all hashy (not that there's anything WRONG with that!...heehee. Outdoors, Apollo 13 and Cinderella 88 will finish before October 15th at 43 degrees north latitude..
If I remember correctly, Genius is similar to C99 and both were found from bag seed of Jack Herer so this zig zag pattern would have to stem from Jack Herer which is Skunk #1, NL #5, and Haze. Was Durban used to make of those?
Genetics of C99
* Cinderella 88 ((Princess x P. 75)
* P.75 {Princess x P. 50)
* P.50(Princess x Shiva Skunk/Princess Brother)
Cinderella Story (Words from the creator of the strain)
I've been seeing a lot of posts from people asking for the "Cinderella Story", so here it is: In 1997, I discovered a few seeds in a bud of Jack Herer I bought @ "Sensi Smile" coffeeshop in Amsterdam while there to buy seeds. I didn't expect much when I grew them, but one of those seeds from the JH bud produced a very special female that I call "Princess". Therefore Princess' mother was a Jack Herer (IF we can believe what Sensi Smile printed on the package) and her father is a totally unidentified mystery plant. I also got 2 more females (Genius & Cafe'Girl) & several males from those seeds. I used pollen from one of the males on a heavy-yielding, dense, resinous ShivaSkunk (from Sensi Seedbank) female, then grew the resulting seeds to get males to produce pollen to cross Princess with, beginning the cubing process. The first generation of seeds from Princess were called P.50 because they were 50% Princess. I used males from the P.50 generation to back-cross to Princess to get P.75 and again back-crossed with the P.75 pollen to get P.88 and again with the P.88 pollen to get P.94 which is "Cinderella 99", a cubed version of Princess. The name "Cinderella" was chosen because of the parallels between this story and the well-known fairy tale in which Cinderella becomes a Princess despite her humble beginning. It's also VERY similar to the story of the "Morgan Horse"...go Figure
I ALWAYS see preflowers between the age of 4 and 6 weeks. Node 6 is commonly where they start, so I'd say you're probably seeing them. The plants that show first are usually males. Look over each plant carefully, using a loupe. If you see a preflower at such an early age, it'll most likely be male, but be SURE before culling it. If you can't find a preflower on a plant, while most of the others HAVE shown... it's most likely a female. Isn't that uniformity NICE? Cinderella 99 is a STABLE strain. Cinderella 88 was close, but this generation is there.
(Cinderella needs odor control?) I don't know if it helps you, but the scent is very sweet and fruity. It won't "fool" anyone who's familiar with MJ, but the average person might not recognize the scent as pot. They start to smell after 3 weeks of 12/12 and they're harvested 4 weeks later, so the SHORT flowering cycle helps a bit by lessening the amount of time your garden "stinks".
Yields are highly Dependant on the methods used. Pruning style and number of plants/area make a BIG difference. I get about 2 lbs every 50 days under 2kW. I grow a combination of bushes and single-cola clones (about 12-20 of 'em) in 2 gallon pots of organic soil, feeding them "teas" of dissolved worm castings, PSG, high phosphorus bat guano and kelp meal. My yields are average at best. Professional growers write me saying they get 2lbs/kW, which I'm sure is true.
The scent given off by Cinderella is NOT the typical "pot stench"...not at all skunky -she's sweet and fruity. Someone passing by the flowering room MIGHT not recognize the scent as pot and mistake it for tropical flowers. When you rub the resin you can definitely smell it. C-99 is more "psychedelic"... I think that's what you're looking for eh? Just be sure to smoke a LITTLE, wait 10 minutes, then think about whether or not you need any more...it's easy to over-indulge and become paranoid.
Haze is my favourite high. Very "trippy" C-99 is has more of the Haze type of high because the mother (Princess), has that kind of high and each time I back-cross to her the next generation gets a bit more of it. Smoking PURE Princess buds is a bit scary... it's too "speedy" and paranoia-inducing for most people. But she's so RESINOUS (see photo) and her flavour is just so delicious and fruity that I knew back-crossing her to her offspring over several generations would create a strain which is actually BETTER than the original mother in terms of a more PLEASING high. It was successful beyond my expectations.
The progression I went through was: P.50 = Princess/(ShivaSkunk/Princess'Brother) P.75 = Princess/P.50 Cinderella 88 = Princess/P.75 Cinderella 99 = Princess/Cinderella 88 Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency: P.50 was rather mellow, P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavour, Cinderella 88 is cerebral and paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavour, and Cinderella 99 is "TRIP WEED" with more of the fruity flavour and speedy effect from Princess. C-99 will be a bigger yielder and faster finisher (than D/T) - which I personally think makes more sense to begin a grow with. If you're growing under 1000W lamps, you should easily get a pound of C-99 per lamp after a 7 week flowering period. When you have all the weed you need and can take your time waiting for a long-flowering Sativa, THEN start those "extra" beans (included in your order)... I don't know what the Bros Grimm sent you, but it's NOT Durban/Thai. I'm still developing it, so they won't see it for about 6 months.
Thanks for noticing her she IS beautiful! Cafe'Girl is a sister of "Princess" - Princess is the mother of the Cinderella series. Cafe'Girl smells like a combination of ginger, orange and cream... kinda smells like a "Creamsicle" -you know those ice cream bars? She has the highest YIELD of the 3 Sisters (Princess, Genius and Cafe'Girl). Cafe'Girl makes HUGE, DENSE, SPARKLING buds with a lovely high. A really sweet high, in that you never feel paranoid and it continues to "creep up" over the first 15 minutes after you smoke, leaving you feeling warm and at peace with life. Bros Grimm may offer an hybrid of Cafe'Girl when enough testing of her offspring has been completed.
Sure, I'd be glad to answer your q's: 1. I flower clones when they're about a foot tall and they double in height during flowering. 2. They clone SUPER EASY. 3. Crossing Cindy 88's will you a variety of phenotypes... they're not stable. Cindy 99 IS STABLE. 4. The seeds are small, tan in colour and "speckled" not striped. If you ordered from either Bros.Grimm or Heaven's Stairway you WON'T get ripped off...but I'll describe the plants: As seedlings they're fast-growing, Indica-dominant with fairly wide leaves. They show preflowers @ 5-6 weeks old WITHOUT FAIL. They NEVER herm, so if the pre-flowers have pistils, it's FEMALE forever. They flower RAPIDLY - you probably won't believe how fat and dense and frosty they'll be @ 4-5 weeks 12/12. The flower/leaf is EXTREMELY high; the tops of the colas go NUTS at about 5 weeks into flowering, sending braid-like floral cluster projections out in all directions without any leaves. Just before that happens, hundreds of SNOW WHITE pistils make the tip of the colas look like they're wearing fur caps! The resin production is HEAVY (again, you won't believe it), a HEAVENLY scent of tropical fruit and berries begins to fill the room @ 3 weeks of 12/12 and just keeps getting more overpowering 'til they're done. The finished smoke is the type of high that keeps you UP; it's very cerebral - the only body effect is the "jitters". I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking to "mellow out" on the sofa, BUT if you wanted to smoke before going running or cycling - PERFECT! I smoked C-88 one eve after trying Silver Haze and the C-88 buzz cut RIGHT THROUGH the high of the Haze so badly that my wife asked me, "what did you do?... smoke too much?" The flavour is just like the scent; fruity and sweet...not at all hashy (not that there's anything WRONG with that!...heehee. Outdoors, Apollo 13 and Cinderella 88 will finish before October 15th at 43 degrees north latitude..
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Well, it comes down to individual parent selection. Jack Herer is a strain, not a single parent. Jack is based on SK1 and NL5, but so is M39. The two are very, very far apart from eachother phenotypically. The difference is in the selection.
So... IF, and that's a BIG if... even the Bros Grimm would agree... IF the bag they got the original Princess and Genius from was indeed Jack Herer, then all we have is a starting point.
So, they got the Genius mother and it had a certain set of phenotypes. All A11 and all other Genius crosses will resemble the Genius more than the Princess mother because the parent was Genius, and her phenotypes are very dominant.
If you grew out 20 Sk1 plants and got one that was a stand out, and bred with that plant... the offspring would (if the mother is pheno-typically dominant) resemble the mother more than the average SK1. It only takes a few generations of breeding away from certain traits to get something that seems totally different than where you started.
So... IF, and that's a BIG if... even the Bros Grimm would agree... IF the bag they got the original Princess and Genius from was indeed Jack Herer, then all we have is a starting point.
So, they got the Genius mother and it had a certain set of phenotypes. All A11 and all other Genius crosses will resemble the Genius more than the Princess mother because the parent was Genius, and her phenotypes are very dominant.
If you grew out 20 Sk1 plants and got one that was a stand out, and bred with that plant... the offspring would (if the mother is pheno-typically dominant) resemble the mother more than the average SK1. It only takes a few generations of breeding away from certain traits to get something that seems totally different than where you started.
thanks to RoastedO for this pick.....
shorty grows low low low low
can any one guess where the zigzag comes from.....id like to sujest SK1
shorty grows low low low low
can any one guess where the zigzag comes from.....id like to sujest SK1
Still trying to find out what the genius cut smells and tastes like. I have a cut labeled Genius and it has the zigzag triat for sure. I will try to get up some pics later but I really need to know (pre-harvest) if I should focus on taking cuts or let her go. I have three monster plants blooming right now and they are very delicate. But I wanna make sure to have a backup cut if they turn out dank.
I am running them next to a bunch of other cuts that most would consider "elite". Chem4,Bubba, MK, BB,Flo, MVTF, Bluedancer, and a bunch of others I can remember. Will Genius hold her own against these strains?? Or will my Apollo Mist suffice??
I am running them next to a bunch of other cuts that most would consider "elite". Chem4,Bubba, MK, BB,Flo, MVTF, Bluedancer, and a bunch of others I can remember. Will Genius hold her own against these strains?? Or will my Apollo Mist suffice??
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these are growing as we speak...i was lucky enough to be selected as a tester...
they are about week six in these photos...i got 6 females out of eleven seeds...
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Wow. Very nice Sleepy!
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Eleven months into my "first" grow, I've finally selected a Joey Weed C99xA11 mother. I had 5/10 females, and for the most part, they all smelled, looked and smoked pretty much the same. One took over 60 days, so I dropped it. Another couple seemed floppy, sickly and slow, so they were dropped. One yielded less, leaving me with the one in the photo.
I could never tell for sure whether or not they had the Genius zig-zagging, but either they all had it, or none of them had it. Check out the pic and let me know what you guys think. Thanks.
I could never tell for sure whether or not they had the Genius zig-zagging, but either they all had it, or none of them had it. Check out the pic and let me know what you guys think. Thanks.
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Thanks, that's good to know. Do you guys think Genius is more thought provoking than C99? I always know I'm high when I start feeling like a genius. :smile:
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I just finished up some Genius x Deep Chunk (Cannacopia) and I would say yes its a far more relaxed and creative high then the C99. My last round included some C99 F2s from Joey Weed and its POTENT stuff but to me the high was rather dull. Good if your out on a bike ride or doing something else active (sex?) but if I smoked too much it made my head feel like a block and it didn't have the smooth free-thinking feel that the Genius x I have does. Smell on both was amazing thought the C99 was a really sickly sweet pungent rotten fruit and the Genius x is a really funky powdered citrus vitamin smell (Flinstone's vitamins?).
