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He also writes in his book “Negation in India”:

“The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter.”

Will Durant argued in his 1935 book “The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage” (page 459):

“The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period.”

Francois Gautier in his book ‘Rewriting Indian History’ (1996) wrote:

“The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese.”

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Writer Fernand Braudel wrote in A History of Civilisations (1995), that Islamic rule in India as a

“colonial experiment” was “extremely violent”, and “the Muslims could not rule the country except by systematic terror. Cruelty was the norm – burnings, summary executions, crucifixions or impalements, inventive tortures. Hindu temples were destroyed to make way for mosques. On occasion there were forced conversions. If ever there were an uprising, it was instantly and savagely repressed: houses were burned, the countryside was laid waste, men were slaughtered and women were taken as slaves.”

Alain Danielou in his book, Histoire de l’ Inde writes:

“From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of ‘a holy war’ of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races.”


Irfan Husain in his article “Demons from the Past” observes:

“While historical events should be judged in the context of their times, it cannot be denied that even in that bloody period of history, no mercy was shown to the Hindus unfortunate enough to be in the path of either the Arab conquerors of Sindh and south Punjab, or the Central Asians who swept in from Afghanistan…The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed some dreadful crimes. Mahmud of Ghazni, Qutb-ud-Din Aibak, Balban, Mohammed bin Qasim, and Sultan Mohammad Tughlak, all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed..Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.

“Their temples were razed, their idols smashed, their women raped, their men killed or taken slaves. When Mahmud of Ghazni entered Somnath on one of his annual raids, he slaughtered all 50,000 inhabitants. Aibak killed and enslaved hundreds of thousands. The list of horrors is long and painful. These conquerors justified their deeds by claiming it was their religious duty to smite non-believers. Cloaking themselves in the banner of Islam, they claimed they were fighting for their faith when, in reality, they were indulging in straightforward slaughter and pillage…”

A sample of contemporary eyewitness accounts of the invaders and rulers, during the Indian conquests.

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The Afghan ruler Mahmud al-Ghazni invaded India no less than seventeen times between 1001 – 1026 AD. The book ‘Tarikh-i-Yamini’ – written by his secretary documents several episodes of his bloody military campaigns :

“The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at the Indian city of Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it…the infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river…but many of them were slain, taken or drowned… Nearly fifty thousand men were killed.”

In the contemporary record – ‘ Taj-ul-Ma’asir’ by Hassn Nizam-i-Naishapuri, it is stated that when Qutb-ul- Din Aibak (of Turko – Afghan origin and the First Sultan of Delhi 1194-1210 AD) conquered Meerat, he demolished all the Hindu temples of the city and erected mosques on their sites. In the city of Aligarh, he converted Hindu inhabitants to Islam by the sword and beheaded all those who adhered to their own religion.

The Persian historian Wassaf writes in his book ‘Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat ul Asar’ that when the Alaul-Din Khilji (An Afghan of Turkish origin and second ruler of the Khilji Dynasty in India 1295-1316 AD) captured the city of Kambayat at the head of the gulf of Cambay, he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twentv thousand Hindu maidens his private slaves.

India has a deep, long cultural history. Hinduism began there around 1,500 BC and Buddhism around the 6th century BC. This culture had evolved impressive intellectual, religious and artistic pursuits. Pre and post the early days of Islam, Indian scholars took their works in science, maths (zero, algebra, geometry, the decimal system, so-called ‘Arabic’ numbers are actually Hindu ones!), medicine, philosophy etc to the courts of others (including Muslims eg Baghdad).

Others came to study in India’s established universities. Indian children (boys and girls) were educated in the relatively widespread education system in a wide variety of subjects eg science, medicine and philosophy. India’s art and architecture was magnificent. They were a prosperous people. Then came Islam – slaughter, slavery, rape, violence, pillage; destruction of religious sites, art and architecture; poverty, exploitation, humiliation, famine, forced conversion, decline in intellectual pursuits, social destruction and a worsening of social ills. To Islam, anything that is not Islamic is from a time of ignorance –Jahiliyya- and must be destroyed (or appropriated and called Islam’s!). The onslaught created the Roma (gypsies), destroyed ‘Hindu’ Afghanistan and formed Pakistan (Kashmir) and Bangladesh .

The cost of the Muslim invasions is massive in lives, wealth and culture. Estimates suggest that 60-80 MILLION died at the hands of Muslim invaders and rulers between 1000 and 1525 alone (ie over 500 years-the population FELL). (Lal cited in Khan p 216) Impossible you think? In the war of Independence of Bangladesh, 1971, the Muslim Pakistani army killed 1.5-3 million people (mainly Muslims …) in just 9 MONTHS. (Khan p 216). The world looked the other way—but don’t we always when it’s Muslims committing the violence! [*The actual number of Hindus brutally slaughtered by Muslims were around 400 million, not 60-80 million, according to Firishta [1560-1620], the author of the Tarikh-i Firishta and the Gulshan-i Ibrahim].
 
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Based on the figures that are available, the number of Indians enslaved is enormous!

The Muslim conquest of India was probably the bloodiest in history:

The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with utmost glee and pride of the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave-markets, and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by the sword in this period” (historian Durant cited in Khan p 201)

And Rizwan Salim (1997) writes what the Arab invaders really did:

‘ savages at a very low level of civilisation and no culture worth the name, from Arabia and West Asia, began entering India from the early century onwards. Islamic invaders demolished countless Hindu temples, shattered uncountable sculpture and idols, plundered innumerable forts and palaces of Hindu kings, killed vast numbers of Hindu men and carried off Hindu women. ………but many Indians do not seem to recognize that the alien Muslim marauders destroyed the historical evolution of the earth’s most mentally advanced civilisation, the most richly imaginative culture, and the most vigorously creative society.” (cited in Khan p 179)

Of course Indians pre-Islam, fought, but it was NOT the practice to enslave or ravage, or massacre, or destroy religious sites, or damage crops and farmers. Battles were usually conducted on open soil between military personnel. (Khan p 205-207) There was no concept of ‘booty’ so Indians were unprepared for Islam’s onslaught. Indigenous Indians were forced to flee to jungles and mountains, or face gruelling exploitation and taxes, slaughter or enslavement while their society was demeaned and destroyed. Muslims constantly attacked the indigenous, idolatrous population and also fought against each other in ceaseless revolts by generals, chiefs and princes during the entire time of Islamic rule

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Slavery: Initially ‘India’ included part of today’s Pakistan (Sindh), Bangladesh/Bengal and Kashmir. Hinduism and Buddhism flourished in Afghanistan pre the Islamic takeover (7th century). In the 16th century Afghanistan was divided between the Muslim Mogul (Mughal) Empire of India and the Safavids of Persia.

Initially the godless Umayyads, allowed Hindus dhimmi status – possibly because of their large numbers, resistance to Islam and their value as a source of tax income. This violates Islamic text and law which demands death or conversion for idolaters and polytheists. When Sultan Iltutmish (d 1236) was asked why Hindus weren’t given the choice between death and Islam, he replied:

“but at the moment in India…the Muslims are so few that they are like salt (in a large dish) …however after a few years when in the capital and the regions and all the small towns, when the Muslims are well established and the troops are larger….it would be possible to give Hindus the choice of death or Islam” (cited in Lal [c] p 538) (Can we learn anything from this)

Despite their supposed ‘dhimmi’ status, mass slaughter, mass forced conversion and mass enslavement with the resulting forced conversion to Islam were practised throughout Islamic rule and into the 20th century as many demanded the idolaters/polytheists convert or die. Hindu fighters and males were slaughtered with women and children enslaved. Eunuch slavery was practiced on young boys.
 

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Often actual numbers aren’t given, just comments like ‘countless captives/slaves,’ or ‘all the women and children were taken.’ Where numbers are recorded, they are terrifying. Along with people, the Muslims took everything they could—coins, jewels, cloths, clothes, furniture, idols, animals, grain etc or destroyed it.

Muslim rulers were foreigners. Until the 13th century, most slaves were sent out of India but following the Sultanate of Delhi (1206) they were retained to work for the sultanate, sold in India or sent elsewhere. Slaves from elsewhere were imported and Muslim armies were composed of a wide array of foreign slave groups ‘converted’ to Islam and ‘Hindus’ and Indian ‘converts.’

Slaves were the promised booty from Allah and obtaining them was a strong motivation for jihad.

“slaves were so plentiful that they became very cheap; men…were degraded….but this is the goodness of Allah, who bestows honours on his own religion and degrades infidelity”. (Muslim chronicler Utbi on Sultan Subuktigin of Ghazni’s slave raid [942-997] in Sookdheo p166)

In Sindh (first area attacked successfully) the early ‘Muslim’ community was composed mainly of slaves forced into Islam and a small number of Arab masters (Khan p 299). Initially slaves were forced out of India eg Qasim (Arab), the conquerer of Sindh sent by Hajjaj bin Yusuf Sakifi in the caliphate of Walid I, took 300,000 from a 3 year campaign in 712-715 (Khan p 299, Trifkovic p 109). Muslim fighters came from everywhere to partake in this ‘jihad.’ Qasim was suddenly recalled and executed (possibly by being sown in an animal’s hide) for supposedly violating 2 Sindhi princesses destined for the caliph’s harem!! (Lal [c] p 439)

The Ghaznivids-Turks from Ghazni, Afghanistan (997-1206) who subdued the Punjab.

From 17 raids (997-1030) Sultan Muhmud Ghazni (Turk from Afghanistan, 997-1030) sent hundreds of thousands of slaves to Ghanzi (Afghanistan) resulting in a loss of about 2 million people via slaughter or enslavement and sale outside India (Khan p 315). Chroniclers (eg Utbi, the sultan’s secretary) provide some numbers eg -from Thanesar, the Muslim army brought 200,000 captives back to Ghazni (Afghanistan). In 1019, 53,000 were taken. At one time the caliph’s 1/5th share was 150,000 suggesting 750,000 captives. 500,000 were taken in one campaign (at Waihind)(Lal [c] p 551) Mahmud’s secretary al-Utbi records:

“Swords flashed like lightening amid the blackness of clouds, and fountains of blood flowed like the fall of setting star. The friends of god defeated their opponents….the Musalmans wreaked their vengeance on the infidel enemies of god killing 15,000 of them…making them food of the beasts and birds of prey….god also bestowed on his friends such an amount of booty as was beyond all bounds and calculations, including 500,000 slaves beautiful men and women” (Khan p 191)

The Ghaznivid’s ruled in the ‘Islamic sultanate of the Punjab’ till 1186. Attacks in Kashmir, Hansi, and districts of the Punjab resulted in mass slaughter and enslavement eg 100,000 in a 1079 attack in the Punjab (Tarik –i-Alfi in Khan p 276-7, Lal [d] p 553

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Under the Ghaurivid rulers (Turks) eg Muhammad Ghauri (Afghani) and his military commander then ruler, Qutbuddin Aibak (r1206-1210), the Delhi sultanate was set up. Mass beheadings, enslavements, forced conversions, plunder and the destruction of temples continued. Slaves were incredibly plentiful. In 1195, Aibak took 20,000 slaves from Raja Bhim and 50,000 at Kalinjar (1202) (Lal [c] p 536).

“even the poor (Muslim) householder became owner of numerous slaves.’ (Khan 103, Lal [c] p 537).

Through the 13/14th century ruled by the Khilji (Khaljis) and Tughlaq’s, slavery grew as Islam spread. Thousands of slaves were sold at a low price everyday (Khan p 280). Alauddin Khilji’s (r 1296-1316) capture of slaves was stupendous and he shackled, chained and humiliated slaves (Lal [c] p 540). In the sack of Somnath alone he:

“took captive a great number of handsome and elegant maidens, amounting to 20,000 and children of both sexes ..more than the pen can enumerate. The Mohammadan army brought the country to utter ruin, destroyed the lives of inhabitants, and plundered the cities and captured their offspring.” (historian cited in Bostom p 641, Lal [c] p 540)

Many thousands were massacred. Alauddin Khilji (r 1296-1316) had 50,000 slave BOYS in his personal service and 70,000 slaves worked continuously on his buildings.(Lal [c] p 541)

Women practised Jauhar (burning or killing oneself to avoid enslavement and rape) and sati.

The Sufi Amir Khusrau notes “the Turks, whenever they please, can seize, buy or sell any Hindu” (Lal [c] p 541)

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Enslaved and Castrated
 

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Eunuchs: All over the Islamic world, the conquered were castrated, including in India. This was done so men could guard harems, provide carnal indulgence for rulers, give devotion to the ruler as they had no hope of a family of their own and of course, this quickly reduced the breeding stock of the conquered. Castration was a common practice throughout Muslim rule possibly contributing to the DECLINE in India’s population from 200 million in 1000 CE to 170 million in 1500 CE (Khan p 314)

Once Sultan Bakhtiyar Khilji conquered Bengal in 1205, it became a leading supplier of castrated slaves. This remained the case into the Mogul period (1526-1857).

Akbar the Great (1556-1605) owned eunuchs. Said Khan Chaghtai owned 1,200 eunuchs (an official of Akbar’s son Jahangir)! In Aurangzeb’s reign, in 1659 at Golkunda (Hyderabad), 22,000 boys were emasculated and given to Muslim rulers and governors or sold. (Khan 313).

Sultan Alauddin Khilji (r 1296-1316) had 50,000 boys in his personal service; Sultan Muhammad Tughlaq (r 1325-51) had 20,000 and Sultan Firoz Tughlaq (r 1351-1388) had 40,000 (Firoz Tulghlaq liked to collect boys in any way and had 180,000 slaves in total (Lal [c] p 542). Several commanders under various sultans were eunuchs. Muslim historians record the ‘infatuation’ of sultans Mahmud Ghazni, Qutbuddin Aibak, and Sikandar Lodi –for handsome young boys! Sultan Mahmud was infatuated by his Hindu commander Tilak (Khan p 314)

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Conclusion: The inhuman behaviour applied to the whole Indian population by Muslims was the same whether the Muslims were Sufis, Arabs, Afghanis, Turks, or Mogul as all followed Islam’s laws, text and the fine example of Mohammad.

It should also be noted that the violence and enslavement continued even after they had virtual control over India because the aim was not merely to conquer but to force all into Islam. Muslims did not come to join Indian society, they came to wipe it out and replace it with Islam—which tells them that they own everything because it’s the booty promised by allah. The pagans/idolaters, polytheists had to convert or die and only then could there be (Islamic) peace! Slaves were the just reward for Islam’s fighters–part of the booty promised by allah.

https://blog.sami-aldeeb.com/2018/03/18/islamic-invasion-of-india-the-greatest-genocide-in-history/

References:

1) Bostom, A. G. ‘The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic holy war and the fate of the non-Muslims.’ Prometheus Books. New York. 2005.
2) Khan, M. A. ‘Islamic Jihad: A legacy of forced conversion, imperialism and slavery.’ iUniverse, Bloomington, IN. 2009. (An Indian ex-Muslim) –
3) Lal [a], K.S. Muslims invade India p 433-455 in Bostom (1) above.
4) Lal , K.S. Jihad under the Turks and jihad under the Mughals p 456-461 in Bostom (1) above.
5) Lal [c], K.S. Slave-taking during Muslim rule p535-548 in Bostom (1) above.
6) Lal [d], K.S. Enslavement of Hindus by Arab and Turkish invaders p 549-554 in bostom (1) above.
7) Lal [e], K.S. The Origins of Muslim slave system p 529-534 in bostom (1) above.
8) Reliance of the Traveller: A classic manual of Islamic sacred law. In Arabic with facing English Text, commentary and appendices edited and translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller Al-Misri, Ahmad ibn Naqib; Amana publications Maryland USA 1994.
9) Sookhdeo, P. ‘Global Jihad: The future in the face of Militant Islam.’ Isaac Publishing. 2007.
10) Trifkovic, S. ‘The sword of the prophet.’ Regina Orthodox Press, Inc. 2002.
11) Ye’or, Bat. ‘Islam and Dhimmitude: Where civilisations collide’ translated from the French by Miriam Kochan and David Littman. Fairleigh Dickinson University Press 2002, reprint 2005.

Above you will see what islam did to India from 800 AD to 1700 AD - in the name of Allah and Mohammed, and most islamists would probably like to see this happen in Europe/the West in this day and age, for it is written in the Qu'ran and Haddith for them to try and bring this about.
 
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i am aware of some of that history, i also read about Ghengis Khan, or Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great, then we had this thing called the Crusades. or what about King David and the Canaanites he also took the defeated sides queen to wife, it was the way of the world, woman were seen as the spoils of war. we humans come from a brutal history, ALL OF US! wasn't it you Brits who firebombed the civilian population of Dresden? what about the extermination of the American Indians? or dropping nuclear weapons on Japan, twice! when it was already wanting to surrender?

the instinct for war and to invade and conqueror your neighbors is as old as human civilisation, furthermore no one denies that Islam was spread by the sword. thats just historic fact. but recently it's not them attacking us. and when it came to isis, who did the heavy lifting to defeat them? Muslims from the SyrianArab Army (who is 70% sunni btw.) as well as Kurdish Muslims and Shia Muslims, all the while the west and the gulf nations were arming and supporting them while pretending to fight them. even now isis would be long gone from Syria if the US, Britain, France, Saidi, UEA, Turkey, Israel and Bahrain didnt stop the SSA coalition from clearing the north and al Tanf area.


as for Tommy, it was cool the way he turned the tables on that reporter, i fully get that he want to be left alone on his holiday. but the thing is he is now a public person, so he has to expect a certain amount of celebrity treatment, whether good or bad.

in the end i could go to the books and bring you tons of wonderful hadith, with good positive moral and ethical messages, same with Quranic verses. it's not fair to history to trawl through it for only the bad. it must be told in it's context and in the right order.
 

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It's quite strange how, I never heard anything about this in school. I am 39 so I been around for a while. Why does the west bury the truth.

The NAZI'S are portrayed as the most evil group. NAZI'S are cast out (rightfully so), yet the murderous sects of Islam are never spoken of. A NAZI flag will get you cast out, but a hammer and sickle is just fine. Have we forgotten that Communism took 15 times the lives as NAZISM. Our Univsities are full of Leftists who seek to push Communism/ Socialism, inspite of the astonishing record of death and destruction.

Now we move to the other murderous ideology, being forced down our children's throat's Extreist Islamist. We say" don't label them terrorists, they will get more Violent if you do" we are justifying the centuries of unimaginable destruction. The time to take off the kid gloves and act against the 2 most evil ideologies. Communist and Radical islamist must be stopped. Stop sugar coating the language. What do you do to people who seek to eliminate your race, religion, freedom from the face of the earth. "You fucking kill them." No more of this we can't offend, they want to eliminate all who do not bow to Allah. It's to damn bad if they don't like the truth.
 

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lol, is that what they teach in history class nowadays? ok thanks for educating me on this subject....:laughing:

The crusades were essentially a rescue mission. A direct response to hundreds of years of Islamist conquest.

People can bad mouth the West, Imperialism , etc. Their were definitely horrible acts committed under those guises. They are literally a drop in an ocean, when compared to the direct death toll at the hands of Islam.

Until the vast majority of Muslims move to condemn, and confess the crimes committed in the name of Islam, The extremist will continue to thrive. The silent approval of the Muslim world allows the extremist to continue to terrorize, the world. The majority of the victims of Islam are other Muslims. Yet they silently approve of their own slaughter.
 

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Qu'ran 4:95 - Yusuf Ali: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-.

Nothing even comes close to the GEONCIDE brought on India in the name of islam for 900 years gaius and many islamists to this day laugh at the west as they plot and scheme for something of this magnitude to befall us once again. because: Islam's greatest weapon is the West's ignorance about Islam.

Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, King David and the Canaanites, Adolf Hitler nor British Lancaster bombers are not any threat to nobody today ----- But islam is still a very real and clear and present danger TO ALL OF US......including to islamic people themselves, as you have clearly stated.


i am aware of some of that history, i also read about Ghengis Khan, or Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great, then we had this thing called the Crusades. or what about King David and the Canaanites he also took the defeated sides queen to wife, it was the way of the world, woman were seen as the spoils of war. we humans come from a brutal history, ALL OF US! wasn't it you Brits who firebombed the civilian population of Dresden? what about the extermination of the American Indians? or dropping nuclear weapons on Japan, twice! when it was already wanting to surrender?

the instinct for war and to invade and conqueror your neighbors is as old as human civilisation, furthermore no one denies that Islam was spread by the sword. thats just historic fact. but recently it's not them attacking us. and when it came to isis, who did the heavy lifting to defeat them? Muslims from the SyrianArab Army (who is 70% sunni btw.) as well as Kurdish Muslims and Shia Muslims, all the while the west and the gulf nations were arming and supporting them while pretending to fight them. even now isis would be long gone from Syria if the US, Britain, France, Saidi, UEA, Turkey, Israel and Bahrain didnt stop the SSA coalition from clearing the north and al Tanf area.


as for Tommy, it was cool the way he turned the tables on that reporter, i fully get that he want to be left alone on his holiday. but the thing is he is now a public person, so he has to expect a certain amount of celebrity treatment, whether good or bad.

in the end i could go to the books and bring you tons of wonderful hadith, with good positive moral and ethical messages, same with Quranic verses. it's not fair to history to trawl through it for only the bad. it must be told in it's context and in the right order.

the west has done plenty of bad things but the crusades were a direct response to muslims attacking all over the med for centuries.

this 5 min vid explains it well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

A fairly simple/basic but informative history of the crusades weedobix.

It's quite strange how, I never heard anything about this in school. I am 39 so I been around for a while. Why does the west bury the truth.

The NAZI'S are portrayed as the most evil group. NAZI'S are cast out (rightfully so), yet the murderous sects of Islam are never spoken of. A NAZI flag will get you cast out, but a hammer and sickle is just fine. Have we forgotten that Communism took 15 times the lives as NAZISM. Our Univsities are full of Leftists who seek to push Communism/ Socialism, inspite of the astonishing record of death and destruction.

Now we move to the other murderous ideology, being forced down our children's throat's Extreist Islamist. We say" don't label them terrorists, they will get more Violent if you do" we are justifying the centuries of unimaginable destruction. The time to take off the kid gloves and act against the 2 most evil ideologies. Communist and Radical islamist must be stopped. Stop sugar coating the language. What do you do to people who seek to eliminate your race, religion, freedom from the face of the earth. "You fucking kill them." No more of this we can't offend, they want to eliminate all who do not bow to Allah. It's to damn bad if they don't like the truth.

The problem is that our schools, colleges and universities are full of muslim apologists, most of whom don't know or don't care about the history and truth about islam, and if they do won't teach it for fear of being called 'Waaaaycyst's or Bigots. History, the Qu'ran and the Haddith would inform and warn the west about this barbaric totalitarian cult/religion - but sadly most in the west have been lullled into a false sense of complacency about it. Even feminists support this religion that demeans and deems women as being worth much less than men - how mad is that?

The crusades were essentially a rescue mission. A direct response to hundreds of years of Islamist conquest.

People can bad mouth the West, Imperialism , etc. Their were definitely horrible acts committed under those guises. They are literally a drop in an ocean, when compared to the direct death toll at the hands of Islam.

Until the vast majority of Muslims move to condemn, and confess the crimes committed in the name of Islam, The extremist will continue to thrive. The silent approval of the Muslim world allows the extremist to continue to terrorize, the world. The majority of the victims of Islam are other Muslims. Yet they silently approve of their own slaughter.

It is in my mind, with 7 kids out there that I hope can live long lives in a peaceful and progressive world, even after I am long-gone, the most dangerous, established threat that I can envisage, today in 2018. It is most certainly NOT 'The Religion of Peace'.
 

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Qu'ran 4:95 - Yusuf Ali: Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-.

Nothing even comes close to the GEONCIDE brought on India in the name of islam for 900 years gaius and many islamists to this day laugh at the west as they plot and scheme for something of this magnitude to befall us once again. because: Islam's greatest weapon is the West's ignorance about Islam.

Julius Caesar, Ghengis Khan, Alexander the Great, King David and the Canaanites, Adolf Hitler nor British Lancaster bombers are not any threat to nobody today ----- But islam is still a very real and clear and present danger TO ALL OF US......including to islamic people themselves, as you have clearly stated.






A fairly simple/basic but informative history of the crusades weedobix.



The problem is that our schools, colleges and universities are full of muslim apologists, most of whom don't know or don't care about the history and truth about islam, and if they do won't teach it for fear of being called 'Waaaaycyst's or Bigots. History, the Qu'ran and the Haddith would inform and warn the west about this barbaric totalitarian cult/religion - but sadly most in the west have been lullled into a false sense of complacency about it. Even feminists support this religion that demeans and deems women as being worth much less than men - how mad is that?



It is in my mind, with 7 kids out there that I hope can live long lives in a peaceful and progressive world, even after I am long-gone, the most dangerous, established threat that I can envisage, today in 2018. It is most certainly NOT 'The Religion of Peace'.

I am a father of 3 children, 1 of them is Autistic. I am terrified at the world we leave. The eugenics used to virtually eradicate (children's lives) Down Syndrome, in parts of Scandinavia, and Europe. How long till they come for those that are already born. How can a society decide that a child who isn't perfectly healthy doesn't have value. These are the forgotten lives, that were never to be remembered but to be eliminated before they had a chance to exist. People claim gays, blacks, Jews, muslims, transgender etc. are the victims. At least they were given the right to be born and have a life.
 

CaptainDankness

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I just saw this about the German government restricting information about islam using 'Hate Speech Laws'..

Please do watch it and give me your reactions to it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itab8Cc4tg8
Germany Enforces Sharia Blasphemy Laws

This is why America is the best nation in the world, restricting speech is tyrannical.

Even Canada is pretty bad, they can't even call a transexual like it is, a gay man with a mental illness. While I'm open to people trying to prove me wrong, it's a man who thinks he should have been born a woman, something is clearly mentally wrong with you if you can't stand living in your own skin you were born in. Don't bother me much but these people need actual help, you can't just empower them.

As for Islam, well people who don't remember history are bound to repeat it. The Muslims tried their calliphate time and time again. People actually think Christians are bad because of the Crusades. Lol, Go figure the reason for the Crusades was because Muslims were forcing their religion on Christians they even invaded parts of Europe.

God knows what Europe and the UK are going to look like in 20 years, certainly won't look the same.
 

kushedy

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Your not chanting...….your not chanting...….your not chanting anymore :laughing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCcBfA6waXI


Hilarious. They did it there because there is media coverage that would see & report it. The voice of the people is not being heard or represented by our politicians or the media so the only way they can get their voice heard is to do things like this. It’s probably only going to increase as well as people are not happy with the way things are.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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From the comments on this youtube link:

RT Need to stop calling people far right supporters when it is clear that Tommy is not far right but is a concerned citizen who is pointing out the hypocrisy of a Government who are covering up the fact that muslum grooming gangs are abusing white British children.

RT may run the risk of being labelled fake news , the story here is not weather Tommy is a racist the story is our children in the UK are being target by asian men and the authorities in the UK are ignoring the issue .

Can you imagine the same thing happening in Russia , would the individuals still be alive I think not the Russian people would not tolerate such injustice and the Russian press would support the Russian citizens who spoke out and tried to prevent such deviant behaviour . Tommy is a fucking hero and most British people stand with him , all child abusers need a bullet in the brain , and when the authorities turn a blind eye to this filth perhaps they need to be looked at also , for facilitating ….!





Your not chanting...….your not chanting...….your not chanting anymore :laughing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCcBfA6waXI
 

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Hitler & Islam

Islam's Muslim Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in 1928 by Hassan al-Banna, a 22 year old Muslim who admired Hitler's hatred of the Jews and persistently wrote to Hitler to express his admiration and his desire for Hitler's Nazi Party to collaborate with Islam.

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Hitler with Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

When Hitler rose to power, his Nazis supported al-Banna, a school teacher, to grow the Muslim Brotherhood into its ally in the Middle East; by 1938, the membership of Muslim Brotherhood topped 200,000.

During World War II, members of the Muslim Brotherhood spied for Hitler's Nazis in the Middle East and fought for Hitler as Nazi troops in two specially formed Muslim Waffen-SS Handschar Divisions. 'Handschar' is German for scimitar, the curved saber used by the Islamic troops of the Ottoman empire.

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SS Handzar Division

Above is Hitler with Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and a close ally of al-Banna, in Berlin, where he lived as Hitler's VIP guest from 1941 to 1945 before joining al-Banna in Egypt in 1946. The Muslim Nazi troops of the Waffen-SS Handschar Divisions are being reviewed by Haj Amin al-Husseini (right) and by SS Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler (below).

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SS Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler reviewing Waffen-SS Handschar Division.


Due to their large number of volunteers, Handschar Divisions were the largest of Hitler's 38 Waffen-SS Divisions.

After World War II, Muslim Brotherhood continued to grow, supported this time by the West, which saw it as a counterweight to the threat of Soviet-backed Communism in the Middle East. By the late 1940s, Muslim Brotherhood numbered 500,000 members. While some of them built schools and medical clinics, other continued to engage in violence, including bombings, arsons and murders. In 1948, members of the Muslim Brotherhood assassinated the Egyptian Prime Minister Mahmoud Fahmi al-Nuqrashi and participated in the invasion of the newly re-created nation of Israel.

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Hamas 'Nazi' Salute. (above)

The Muslim Brotherhood's violent conflict with the Egyptian government, which also included the government's assassination of al-Banna and two failed Muslim Brotherhood assassination attempts on the Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser, eventually led to many of its leaders being jailed while others fled and established branches abroad, mostly in other Middle Eastern Arab nations but also in Europe, UK and USA.

Surmising that it didn't yet have the muscle to spread Islam by force, Muslim Brotherhood 'officially' renounced violence in the 1970s and adopted more cunning strategies detailed in its secret internal manifesto, "The Project." In 1979, Western powers supported the Muslim Brotherhood to form the Mujahedeen army and fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan.

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'God Bless Hitler' (muslim brotherhood demonstration)

In 1987, the Muslim Brotherhood in Israel created Hamas, whose members still use the Nazi salute (above) and read Hitler's Mein Kampf, which the Muslim Brotherhood re-titled, My Jihad, and translated into Arabic in the 1930s (Mein Kampf remains the #6 best-seller in the Muslim world today and a favorite among members of the Muslim Brotherhood -)

In 1989, the Muslim Brotherhood's Mujahedeen army pushed the Soviet army out of Afghanistan and then split. One of the factions became Al Qaeda, led by a Muslim Brotherhood-schooled Saudi named, Osama bin Laden.

https://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/hitler-muslim-brotherhood.html
 

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How Nazis courted the Islamic world during WWII

Tens of thousands of Muslims fought for the Nazis in World War Two. DW spoke with historian David Motadel about whether pragmatism or anti-Semitism drove Adolf Hitler's overtures and why some Muslim leaders backed him.

Bosnian islamic soldiers in the Nazi German army (1943) (Getty Images/Keystone)

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DW: In your book, "Islam and Nazi Germany's War," you wrote about the policies of the Nazis towards Islamic political entities. What did these policies look like?

David Motadel: At the height of the war in 1941-1942, when German troops entered Muslim-populated territories in the Balkans, North Africa, Crimea, and the Caucasus, and approached the Middle East and Central Asia, Berlin began to see Islam as politically significant. Nazi Germany made significant attempts to promote an alliance with the "Muslim world" against their alleged common enemies — the British Empire, the Soviet Union, America and Jews.

In the war zones, Germany engaged with a wide range of religious policies and propaganda to promote the Nazi regime as the patron of Islam. As early as 1941, the Wehrmacht distributed the military handbook "Islam" to train its soldiers to behave correctly towards Muslim populations. On the eastern Front, the Nazi occupiers ordered the rebuilding of mosques, prayer halls, and madrasas — previously destroyed by Moscow — and the re-establishment of religious rituals and celebrations in order to undermine Soviet rule.

German military authorities also made extensive efforts to co-opt Islamic dignitaries. German propagandists in the eastern territories, the Balkans, and North Africa tried to use religious rhetoric, vocabulary and iconography to mobilize Muslims. They politicized sacred texts like the Quran as well as religious imperatives, most notably the concept of jihad, in order to foment religious violence for political ends.

From 1941 onwards, the Nazi Wehrmacht army and the paramilitary SS recruited tens of thousands of Muslims, mainly to save German blood. Muslim soldiers fought on all fronts. German army officials granted these recruits a wide range of religious concessions, even lifting the ban on ritual slaughter, a practice that had been prohibited for anti-Semitic reasons by Hitler's Law for the Protection of Animals of 1933.

A widespread assumption exists that Muslims supported the Nazi Regime because they shared an anti-Semitic perspective. This is precisely why the Nazis tried to get Muslims on the regime's side. What can you tell us about this assumption?

On the German side pragmatic, strategic interests were the most important driving force behind this policy. In its propaganda, however, especially in the Arab world, anti-Semitic themes played an important role. Anti-Semitic propaganda was often connected to attacks against the Zionist migration to Palestine which had emerged as a main topic in Arab political discourses.

On the Muslim side one cannot generalize. Some of the Muslim allies of the Nazi regime — most importantly the famous Mufti of Jerusalem — shared the Nazis' Jew-hatred. In the war zones, in the Balkans, in North Africa, and in the Eastern territories, the picture is more complicated. In many of these regions, Muslims and Jews had lived together for centuries. And in some cases, Muslims would now help their Jewish neighbors, for example hiding them from the Germans.

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Mufti of Jerusalem and Adolf Hitler talk together at a meeting in 1941 (picture-alliance/dpa/akg-images)

The Mufti of Jerusalem met with Adolf Hitler in 1941. According to Motadel, some of Hitler's Muslim allies shared the Nazi leader's hatred of Jews.

What goals did the Nazi regime pursue with its attempt to persuade Muslims to join them and what were sympathetic Muslim leaders hoping for?

The Third Reich's engagement with Islam was not only that Muslim-populated regions had become part of the war zones, but also, more importantly, that from 1941 to 1942, Germany's military situation had deteriorated. In the Soviet Union, Hitler's Blitzkrieg strategy had failed. As the Wehrmacht came under pressure, strategists in Berlin began to seek broader war coalitions, thereby demonstrating remarkable pragmatism. The courtship of Muslims was to pacify the occupied Muslim-populated territories and to mobilize Muslims to fight on the side of Hitler's armies.

Many of those Muslims who worked with the Nazi regime had pragmatic reasons. They believed that Nazi Germany in 1941-1942 would be victorious and that it would determine the future world order and that the Nazis could help them become liberated from, for example, British imperial rule.

The motives of these soldiers varied considerably. Of course some recruits were driven by religious hatred and anti-Bolshevist, ideological fervor. Overall, however, Muslims often had rather profane motives for enlisting.

Did the Nazis really see Islam as something inherently positive or were the Muslims only a means to an end?

Overall, I think that Muslims were means to an end. Nazi policies towards Islam were informed by pragmatism. Some leading Nazis, particularly Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler, repeatedly expressed their respect for Islam. Whenever denouncing the Catholic Church, Hitler routinely contrasted it with Islam. While he denounced Catholicism as a weak, effeminate religion, he praised Islam as a strong, aggressive, martial religion. Overall, however, it was strategic considerations, not ideology, that led to Nazi Germany's campaign for Islamic mobilization.

Wasn't Nazi racism a major obstacle to collaborating with Muslims?

Hitler had already postulated the racial inferiority of non-European peoples in "Mein Kampf." Once in power, however, German officials showed themselves to be more pragmatic: Non-Jewish Turks, Iranians and Arabs had already been explicitly exempted from any official racial discrimination in the 1930s, following diplomatic interventions from the governments in Tehran, Ankara, and Cairo. And during the war the Germans showed similar pragmatism. Muslims everywhere, it was clear to every German officer, were to be treated as allies.

The realities on the ground were by no means straightforward. In the first months of the Nazi invasion of Russia, SS squads executed thousands of Muslims on the assumption that their circumcision showed that they were Jewish. Eventually, Reinhard Heydrich, chief Nazi security officer, sent out a directive cautioning the task force executing squads to be more careful. On the southern fringes of the Soviet Union, however, German killing squads still had difficulties distinguishing Muslims from Jews. Moreover, in North Africa, the Balkans, and on the Eastern Front, German soldiers were confronted with diverse Muslim populations, including Muslim Roma and Jewish converts to Islam.

Dr. David Motadel is an Assistant Professor of International History at the London School of Economics and Political Science. He works on the history of modern Europe and Europe's relations with the wider world. In 2017, Motadel was awarded the Philip Leverhulme Prize for History.

https://www.dw.com/en/how-nazis-courted-the-islamic-world-during-wwii/a-41358387
 
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