For All The Pitbull Owners/Lovers Out There

[stoney917]

not to say it takes it out of em but its ppl who breed intentionally for large heads and short bodies at 100lbs are the fuckin assholes who are ruinin are breed. originally pits come in all shapes colors and sizes because it never mattered what the dog looked like nobody gave a fuck if ur dog was black red yellow blue or even green and pink as long as they aint quit and have the drive they good,

 

[schwagg]

pits should have larger heads. that's what makes a pitt a pit. i totally agree with some of the extremes out there, they've breed too much nonsense. but i love a big fat headed pit. nothing better in my book.

 

[reservationlabs]

how does breeding a large head take the "game" out of a dog?

If you breed for anything other then "gameness" then you take the gameness out of the dogs. You should only ever breed the 2 most game dogs together, if you ever stick a dog with a big head to a game bitch just to increase head size in the litter you just created a litter of Am-Staffs. You bred for something other then "gameness" thus that litter has lost a big part of its game trait.

Simple

 

[Chili_berkster]

 

[stoney917]

now if that dog with the really big head is game and proven then its a different story but i would care less if that bighead trait was passed on. i love a pits head its like a brick. proportioned to the rest of theyre body. i do notice that most my stud/broad stock may have larger then normal teeth or atleast they bite like they do. lol

 

[rocky5]

If you breed for anything other then "gameness" then you take the gameness out of the dogs. You should only ever breed the 2 most game dogs together, if you ever stick a dog with a big head to a game bitch just to increase head size in the litter you just created a litter of Am-Staffs. You bred for something other then "gameness" thus that litter has lost a big part of its game trait.

Simple

i read a book years ago on breeding and im sure it
say,s this is not always the case,that if you breed two game dogs
together you dont always get a game litter.
i cant remember exactly what it says but it was something
like the bitch has to be more game than the dog.
but that was just one book many years ago,and no personal experiance of breeding myself.

 

[reservationlabs]

i read a book years ago on breeding and im sure it
say,s this is not always the case,that if you breed two game dogs
together you dont always get a game litter.
i cant remember exactly what it says but it was something
like the bitch has to be more game than the dog.
but that was just one book many years ago,and no personal experiance of breeding myself.

You can breed the 2 most game dogs in the world together and throw a cure, but you have more of a chance to throw a litter that is on fire.

But if you take a Stud that his only trait that you are looking for is his head size and you stick him to the more game and on fire bitch in the universe, I am telling you flat out you will have a litter of back yard bred mutt cures.

Breed deep game to deep game, period. Head size, color, chest, bones those all fall second and so forth when breeding American Pit Bull Terriers. That is why American Pit Bull Terriers come in so many different colors, it was only bred for gameness and drive so you get a rainbow.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

And if you look up the specs of what a Pit is supposed to be (AKC Kennel Club) you will see that they say Pitbulls range in weight fro about 55 to 70 pounds.They say anything over that is a mixed breed.

 

[reservationlabs]

And if you look up the specs of what a Pit is supposed to be (AKC Kennel Club) you will see that they say Pitbulls range in weight fro about 55 to 70 pounds.They say anything over that is a mixed breed.

A.K.C standards are set for American "STAFFORDSHIRE" Terriers. Those weights are way too heavy for an American Pit Bull Terrier.

If you want the standards for an American Pit Bull Terrier go with the ADBA or U.K.C standards.

I would say 35lbs to 55lbs would be the correct range for a Pit Bull in the true since of the dog.

GENERAL APPEARANCE

The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog’s height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns except merle. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy. Above all else, the APBT must have the functional capability to be a catch dog that can hold, wrestle (push and pull) and breathe easily while doing its job. Balance and harmony of all parts are critical components of breed type.

Very Serious Fault: Any disproportionate overdone characteristic (such as short legs, excessive bone or massive head or body) that would interfere with working ability.


CHARACTERISTICS

The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed’s natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.


HEAD

The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.

Very Serious Fault: Overly large, heavy heads.

SKULL - The skull is large, flat or slightly rounded, deep, and broad between the ears. Viewed from the top, the skull tapers just slightly toward the stop. There is a deep median furrow that diminishes in depth from the stop to the occiput. Cheek muscles are prominent but free of wrinkles. When the dog is concentrating, wrinkles form on the forehead, which give the APBT his unique expression.

MUZZLE - The muzzle is broad and deep with a very slight taper from the stop to the nose, and a slight falling away under the eyes. The length of muzzle is shorter than the length of skull, with a ratio of approximately 2:3. The topline of the muzzle is straight. The lower jaw is well developed, wide and deep. Lips are clean and tight.

Faults: Snipey muzzle; flews; weak lower jaw.

Very Serious Fault: Muzzle too short, which impairs breathing capability.

TEETH - The American Pit Bull Terrier has a complete set of evenly spaced, white teeth meeting in a scissors bite.

Fault: Level bite.

Serious Faults: Undershot, or overshot bite; wry mouth; missing teeth (this does not apply to teeth that have been lost or removed by a veterinarian).

NOSE - The nose is large with wide, open nostrils. The nose may be any color.

EYES - Eyes are medium size, round and set well apart and low on the skull. All colors are equally acceptable except blue, which is a serious fault. Haw should not be visible.

Serious Faults: Bulging eyes; both eyes not matched in color; blue eyes.

EARS - Ears are high set and may be natural or cropped without preference. Prick or flat, wide ears are not desired.


NECK

The neck is of moderate length and muscular. There is a slight arch at the crest. The neck widens gradually from where it joins the skull to where it blends into well laid-back shoulders. The skin on the neck is tight and without dewlap.

Faults: Neck too thin or weak; ewe neck; dewlap.

Very Serious Fault: A short, thick neck that would interfere with functional ability.


FOREQUARTERS

The shoulder blades are long, wide, muscular, and well laid back. The upper arm is roughly equal in length to the shoulder blade and joins it at an apparent right angle.

The forelegs are strong and muscular. The elbows are set close to the body. Viewed from the front, the forelegs are set moderately wide apart and perpendicular to the ground. The pasterns are short, powerful, straight, and flexible. When viewed in profile, the pasterns are nearly erect.

Faults: Upright or loaded shoulders; elbows turned outward or tied-in; down at the pasterns; front legs bowed; wrists knuckled over; toeing in or out.

Very Serious Fault: Legs shorter than half the total height at the withers.


BODY

The chest is deep, well filled in, and moderately wide with ample room for heart and lungs, but the chest should never be wider than it is deep. The forechest does not extend much beyond the point of shoulder. The ribs extend well back and are well sprung from the spine, then flattening to form a deep body extending to the elbows. The back is strong and firm. The topline inclines very slightly downward from the withers to a broad, muscular, level back. The loin is short, muscular and slightly arched to the top of the croup, but narrower than the rib cage and with a moderate tuck-up. The croup is slightly sloping downward.

Very Serious Fault: Overly massive body style that impedes working ability.


HINDQUARTERS

The hindquarters are strong, muscular, and moderately broad. The rump is well filled in on each side of the tail and deep from the pelvis to the crotch. The bone, angulation, and musculature of the hindquarters are in balance with the forequarters. The thighs are well developed with thick, easily discerned muscles. Viewed from the side, the hock joint is well bent and the rear pasterns are well let down and perpendicular to the ground. Viewed from the rear, the rear pasterns are straight and parallel to one another.

Faults: Narrow hindquarters; hindquarters shallow from pelvis to crotch; lack of muscle; straight or over angulated stifle joint; cow hocks; sickle hocks; bowed legs.


FEET

The feet are round, proportionate to the size of the dog, well arched, and tight. Pads are hard, tough, and well cushioned. Dewclaws may be removed.

Fault: Splayed feet.


TAIL

The tail is set on as a natural extension of the topline, and tapers to a point. When the dog is relaxed, the tail is carried low and extends approximately to the hock. When the dog is moving, the tail is carried level with the backline. When the dog is excited, the tail may be carried in a raised, upright position (challenge tail), but never curled over the back (gay tail).

Fault: Long tail (tail tip passes beyond point of hock).

Serious faults: Gay tail (not to be confused with challenge tail); kinked tail.

Disqualification: Bobbed tail.


COAT

The coat is glossy and smooth, close, and moderately stiff to the touch.

Faults: Curly, wavy, or sparse coat.

Disqualification: Long coat.


COLOR

Any color, color pattern, or combination of colors is acceptable, except for merle.

Disqualification: Merle


HEIGHT AND WEIGHT

The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Very Serious Fault: Excessively large or overly massive dogs

GAIT

The American Pit Bull Terrier moves with a jaunty, confident attitude, conveying the impression that he expects any minute to see something new and exciting. When trotting, the gait is effortless, smooth, powerful, and well coordinated, showing good reach in front and drive behind. When moving, the backline remains level with only a slight flexing to indicate suppleness. Viewed from any position, legs turn neither in nor out, nor do feet cross or interfere with each other. As speed increases, feet tend to converge toward center line of balance.

Faults: Legs not moving on the same plane; legs over reaching; legs crossing over in front or rear; rear legs moving too close or touching; rolling; pacing; paddling; sidewinding; hackney action; pounding.


DISQUALIFICATIONS

Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Long coat. Bobbed tail. Albinism. Merle.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

A.K.C standards are set for American "STAFFORDSHIRE" Terriers. Those weights are way too heavy for an American Pit Bull Terrier.

If you want the standards for an American Pit Bull Terrier go with the ADBA or U.K.C standards.

I would say 35lbs to 55lbs would be the correct range for a Pit Bull in the true since of the dog.

GENERAL APPEARANCE

The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog’s height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns except merle. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy. Above all else, the APBT must have the functional capability to be a catch dog that can hold, wrestle (push and pull) and breathe easily while doing its job. Balance and harmony of all parts are critical components of breed type.

Very Serious Fault: Any disproportionate overdone characteristic (such as short legs, excessive bone or massive head or body) that would interfere with working ability.


CHARACTERISTICS

The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed’s natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.


HEAD

The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.

Very Serious Fault: Overly large, heavy heads.

SKULL - The skull is large, flat or slightly rounded, deep, and broad between the ears. Viewed from the top, the skull tapers just slightly toward the stop. There is a deep median furrow that diminishes in depth from the stop to the occiput. Cheek muscles are prominent but free of wrinkles. When the dog is concentrating, wrinkles form on the forehead, which give the APBT his unique expression.

MUZZLE - The muzzle is broad and deep with a very slight taper from the stop to the nose, and a slight falling away under the eyes. The length of muzzle is shorter than the length of skull, with a ratio of approximately 2:3. The topline of the muzzle is straight. The lower jaw is well developed, wide and deep. Lips are clean and tight.

Faults: Snipey muzzle; flews; weak lower jaw.

Very Serious Fault: Muzzle too short, which impairs breathing capability.

TEETH - The American Pit Bull Terrier has a complete set of evenly spaced, white teeth meeting in a scissors bite.

Fault: Level bite.

Serious Faults: Undershot, or overshot bite; wry mouth; missing teeth (this does not apply to teeth that have been lost or removed by a veterinarian).

NOSE - The nose is large with wide, open nostrils. The nose may be any color.

EYES - Eyes are medium size, round and set well apart and low on the skull. All colors are equally acceptable except blue, which is a serious fault. Haw should not be visible.

Serious Faults: Bulging eyes; both eyes not matched in color; blue eyes.

EARS - Ears are high set and may be natural or cropped without preference. Prick or flat, wide ears are not desired.


NECK

The neck is of moderate length and muscular. There is a slight arch at the crest. The neck widens gradually from where it joins the skull to where it blends into well laid-back shoulders. The skin on the neck is tight and without dewlap.

Faults: Neck too thin or weak; ewe neck; dewlap.

Very Serious Fault: A short, thick neck that would interfere with functional ability.


FOREQUARTERS

The shoulder blades are long, wide, muscular, and well laid back. The upper arm is roughly equal in length to the shoulder blade and joins it at an apparent right angle.

The forelegs are strong and muscular. The elbows are set close to the body. Viewed from the front, the forelegs are set moderately wide apart and perpendicular to the ground. The pasterns are short, powerful, straight, and flexible. When viewed in profile, the pasterns are nearly erect.

Faults: Upright or loaded shoulders; elbows turned outward or tied-in; down at the pasterns; front legs bowed; wrists knuckled over; toeing in or out.

Very Serious Fault: Legs shorter than half the total height at the withers.


BODY

The chest is deep, well filled in, and moderately wide with ample room for heart and lungs, but the chest should never be wider than it is deep. The forechest does not extend much beyond the point of shoulder. The ribs extend well back and are well sprung from the spine, then flattening to form a deep body extending to the elbows. The back is strong and firm. The topline inclines very slightly downward from the withers to a broad, muscular, level back. The loin is short, muscular and slightly arched to the top of the croup, but narrower than the rib cage and with a moderate tuck-up. The croup is slightly sloping downward.

Very Serious Fault: Overly massive body style that impedes working ability.


HINDQUARTERS

The hindquarters are strong, muscular, and moderately broad. The rump is well filled in on each side of the tail and deep from the pelvis to the crotch. The bone, angulation, and musculature of the hindquarters are in balance with the forequarters. The thighs are well developed with thick, easily discerned muscles. Viewed from the side, the hock joint is well bent and the rear pasterns are well let down and perpendicular to the ground. Viewed from the rear, the rear pasterns are straight and parallel to one another.

Faults: Narrow hindquarters; hindquarters shallow from pelvis to crotch; lack of muscle; straight or over angulated stifle joint; cow hocks; sickle hocks; bowed legs.


FEET

The feet are round, proportionate to the size of the dog, well arched, and tight. Pads are hard, tough, and well cushioned. Dewclaws may be removed.

Fault: Splayed feet.


TAIL

The tail is set on as a natural extension of the topline, and tapers to a point. When the dog is relaxed, the tail is carried low and extends approximately to the hock. When the dog is moving, the tail is carried level with the backline. When the dog is excited, the tail may be carried in a raised, upright position (challenge tail), but never curled over the back (gay tail).

Fault: Long tail (tail tip passes beyond point of hock).

Serious faults: Gay tail (not to be confused with challenge tail); kinked tail.

Disqualification: Bobbed tail.


COAT

The coat is glossy and smooth, close, and moderately stiff to the touch.

Faults: Curly, wavy, or sparse coat.

Disqualification: Long coat.


COLOR

Any color, color pattern, or combination of colors is acceptable, except for merle.

Disqualification: Merle


HEIGHT AND WEIGHT

The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.

Very Serious Fault: Excessively large or overly massive dogs

GAIT

The American Pit Bull Terrier moves with a jaunty, confident attitude, conveying the impression that he expects any minute to see something new and exciting. When trotting, the gait is effortless, smooth, powerful, and well coordinated, showing good reach in front and drive behind. When moving, the backline remains level with only a slight flexing to indicate suppleness. Viewed from any position, legs turn neither in nor out, nor do feet cross or interfere with each other. As speed increases, feet tend to converge toward center line of balance.

Faults: Legs not moving on the same plane; legs over reaching; legs crossing over in front or rear; rear legs moving too close or touching; rolling; pacing; paddling; sidewinding; hackney action; pounding.


DISQUALIFICATIONS

Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Long coat. Bobbed tail. Albinism. Merle.

Thanks for the correction.You deffinetly know alot more about them than I do.I cant remember where I read what I read...but My point was that pitbulls arent the great big heavy dogs that people associate with the breed.

I do love them though.They are very good dogs that are easy to train.Alot of people say thay are a stupid breed.That is untrue.They are very smart and I think well suited as a family dog.They provide great security in a home that is in my opinion better to have for home protection than a gun.

Do you breed and sell the progeny? If so I would like to look at any websight you might have about it.

Thank You.

 

[rocky5]

Thanks for the correction.You deffinetly know alot more about them than I do.I cant remember where I read what I read...but My point was that pitbulls arent the great big heavy dogs that people associate with the breed.

I do love them though.They are very goos dogs that are easy to train.Alot of people say thay are a stupid breed.That is untrue.They are very smart and I think well suited as a family dog.They provide great security in a home that is in my opinion better to have for home protection than a gun.

Do you breed and sell the progeny? If so I would like to look at any websight you might have about it.

Thank You.

plus 1,thank you.

 

[schwagg]

RL, why are blue eyes a serious fault? that's a new one to me. now i'm curious.

 

[reservationlabs]

Thanks for the correction.You deffinetly know alot more about them than I do.I cant remember where I read what I read...but My point was that pitbulls arent the great big heavy dogs that people associate with the breed.

I do love them though.They are very goos dogs that are easy to train.Alot of people say thay are a stupid breed.That is untrue.They are very smart and I think well suited as a family dog.They provide great security in a home that is in my opinion better to have for home protection than a gun.

Do you breed and sell the progeny? If so I would like to look at any websight you might have about it.

Thank You.

You are correct, American PIT Bull Terriers are to be nothing like the huge Blue Am-Staffs that people are peddling as American PIT Bull Terriers.

Your very welcome.

 

[reservationlabs]

RL, why are blue eyes a serious fault? that's a new one to me. now i'm curious.

Blue eyes are a quick sign of mix breeding. Also a sign that Albinism could be lurking to poke its ugly head out in the future.

COLBY line of dogs do carry a Blue eyes when line bred too tight, but in my thoughts COLBY dogs are the very best American Pit Bull Terrier line to ever grace this great Country.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

Here are a couple pics of my male.I raised him from a pup.I think he thinks im his moma..lolsThe other dog in the pic I posted before is a female I bought as a mate for him.And for added security.She has never been bred.

Im wondering what the pups will look like.Hopefully nice.They are both beautiful Pits in my opinion.

 

[OGfarmerted]

my girl

my girl

this is right up my alley. the apbt i love. this is my girl, she is faster than lightning and pure drive. super vocal also.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

Beautiful pit..Yeah the female I own is vocal alot too.They really are jealous of each other.My male (above) sits between me and the female..Everytime I pet her he runs over and puts his head and sometimes body between us so I pet him instead...lols..

 

[rocky5]

my family used to have a pit/staffie cross and its head was that
big it used to come over next to you and lean its head on your lap.

other charictoristics i love about pits and staffies is how they sit
on one bum cheek all the time and they way they get you to
pet them by nuzzling-(correct term?)nudging your hands up
with their nose.
and they got a thing about getting their bellys rubbed.

 

[stoney917]

phe u playin with fire in my opinion. i take it u dont have much experiance and these are ur 1rst 2 pits so ya dont have experiance seperatin em if the get locked, its a fuckin nightmare if ya by urself when the accident happens, and they do happen, and what u see as jealousy is really dominance and if she dont want to put up with it ur gonna have ur handsfull, please dont breed if ya aint got papers, proven dogs .. but ur gonna do what ur gonna do, there is never gonna be a stop to people lettin dogs fuck just cause it seems like a good idea. its sux that shit like that puts true breeders like myself with 28 years in who only breed top pits and put tons of time and planning into each breedings dogs the same in most ppls eyes,

just cause 2 dogs are game doent always nessessarily mean they will be firepups, u can tak 2 game dogs and get a litter full of curs, each pup is individual and ya just gotta know what to look for and then there are late bloomers to . i know ppl who bred to females that were never tested but from proven lines and had some above average dogs, but that bitch wasnt tested so i cant say if she was game or if she was a cur we will never know but she did pass her parents gameness on to all her pups, no matter how much plannin and matching and thinkn ya still never really know what ya gonna get fore sure .
ol sayin my fater used to tell me back in the day, deadgame=dumbgame same and different aint no dead game dog alive to breed into and cant go back for another one ..just gets put on a list of good ones many o other things makes a great dog, but without bein gameness ur not even got ur foot in the door. ya need to luck at other traits to.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

Yep im gonna do what im gonna do..............ive seen all my dogs parents so I atleast have an idea what im dealing with..as far as dominance goes..Im the dominant dog in my home..My animals know that too.I do agree that maybe APBT need to be abrubtly dealt with when they screw up.And I do that.Its a fine line though.Alot like with young kids.

I have a background in dealing with dogs/cats.I prefer dogs.The last job I had was taking care of a veterinary hospital/kennel.All different kinds of dogs.And yes some pits,but others as well.I also had to do some tech work for them when nobody else was there to do it.The wife an I both did that for awhile.So although I dont doubt that I will end up having my hands full.Ill be able to handle it.

As far as not breeding dogs without papers...no I dont agree with you.Im sure all the breeders that own and breed animals would like animals without papers to disapear.Im sure it takes from their livelyhood.It just isnt gonna happen though.Humane societys and some of those bullshit programs on T.V. are trying to work towards killing the breed.The humane society is forever telling pit owners that it is cruel to not have male pitbulls nuts clipped because they get testacular cancer.And if you have seen some of the supposedly pitbull rescue shows you know that they are forever going on about pits going to the pound and having to be killed.That last part may have some truth to it.But I dont see any cat shows and I know there are more of those running around as strays.

I used to own a boxer about 10 years ago.I remember looking up just what the specs for a boxer was.I noticed that it said that if you happen to have some white boxers in a litter they suggest you kill them or if you wont do that to atleast sell them without papers.I think thats fucking sick.

Neither one of my dogs have papers.I have seen both of their parents.Yes,I will be breeding them.Really thats the main reason I bought the female.As a mate for the male.I think it is wrong and crule not to let a male dog get at a female........The puppys will most likely go to family.I could end up selling a few.Dont know.Anybody that wants to buy a pup can see the parents and the dogs can speak for themselves.

Roasts are on sale at the store.I just had my wife buy them each one..they love em..lols