perC?
guess not, just a place to congregate....
Ill pm ya, but just know I cant tell you who i am for obvious reasons, lol..
perC?
HB you saying 1.5EC is too saline for cannabis?
With my two week flush on a 9 week strain I've cut 22.2% of the nutes out of the plants cycle so maybe 25% less and 9 weeks of nutes would be close to the same thing?
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HB, what are you running for the stretch, I typically run lower levels during this period, adjusting for pk(nutes, not plant) after the stretch, my plants are just as green as yours on harvest day.
During the stretch, I'm at 1.0 EC and I feed a mix of my grow and bloom bases. The idea is to give the plant enough nitrogen for tissue building while also supplying a balanced amount of P and K for flower production. Ultimately the leaves tell me what to do.
the plant will literally write you a note telling you what she wants, kinda like my wife, except she yells....
i thought everyone learned this in weed bootcamp? this site needs a READ FIRST section that people have to read before they can post and grow if they are n00bs. like on og.
i used to follow formula's and junk (when i tried hydro) using meters and following what everyone else was saying. then i went back to my roots and decided that what everyone else was saying seemed to be a lot of bullshit. eventually i got to the point where i saw my plants were fine in a pH 7 dwc at 80 degrees F res temp as long as the root zone was health. and that 400ppms is plenty for my plants in my cab. all the while im trying do follow someone else's recipe and adding bleach to my res and ice packs and all kinds of shit. changing the res every week with fresh nutes blah blah.
soon as i stopped listening to other people and listening to my plants again i found out how piss easy dwc could be. no monitoring pH and ppm's and all that jazz necessary if you just let the plant tell you what it wants.
Sorry to cut in but I can't see what the argument is here. If you flush you starve the plant of mineral nutrition and thus the plant utilizes what is available in the tissue turning into biomass. end of day a cleaner product because no residual ferts are in the end product. I mean you could get all technical and discuss other facets of this process but end of day this is not rocket science.
I agree to an extent with what you are saying.. Problem is and we can all agree on this is that the last few weeks are the most crucial in bud development.. I prefer to feed my plant healthy levels until the chop.. I wouldnt know what a burnt unflushed plant tastes like....
Also, in support of what you are saying, and in theory, wouldnt allowing the plants to finish full term and then flushing make more sense??? The only problem with this is it takes us past our harvest date, so its a double edge sword.. I for one will not starve my plant when time after time healthy plants have yielded far better product than inferior starved plants.. If you are telling me that we are able to discern literally in ppms of residual stored nutrients by taste any difference whatsoever, then Id have to disagree..
You know, Im curious to know what the naysayers are doing when processing and curing.
Wet or deceptively dry bud burns and crackles and leaves a black ash and will smoke a little harsh. Dont believe me, next time you harvest prove me wrong or Im going to do a smoke report from uncurred improperly dried bud to prove this, and with pics... And dont tell me you guys never tried smoking your bud wet, at some point we all did....
Bud dried and cured properly even from a burnt plant cut down with no flush will leave a white ash... You know how many rookies Ive trained and how time after time this is proven.....
This is almost more about curing than flushing... Initially and a long time ago, flushing was nothing more than a cure for over ferting our plants and saturating the medium with nutrients to the point that further development was compromised.
Again, keep it civil and we can take this 100 pages... the technical stuff doesnt matter when opinions are so heavily biased. That is an observation, Im not some idiot trying to get people to smoke bad weed...
thx for posting.. I agree with a great deal of your logic..
People reading this thread will learn so much if we can have civil debate over this topic, much as your post was, so thank you for that...
I wonder what a human being, sickly and unhealthy from starving to point where our muscle tissue is actually being dissolved from starvation would taste like compared to a healthy one to a grizzly bear..... I doubt hed care lol...
What about veggies and other foods we eat everyday? Tomato growers run high EC from 3-6+ as it has been known to produce the best tasting fruits. I'm sure this could be the case for many plants. And they sure don't 'Flush'. I know its smoking something compared to eating it but im sure thers some relation, Im curious on what everyone else thinks of this?, Me myself , i have tried both , I found too long a flush will diminish yield and taste extensively but is definitely a smoother smoke. The unflushed tasted better but had more of a bite in the smoke. Overall i found if you lower the nutrients gradually in the last week to about 0.3-0.6 EC it provided the best product for me.
cchem, you are insightful...
Ive got an idea that may even challenge my own hypothesis, to an extent lol...
Some growers who may not be privy to the more exotic strains that are KNOWN for their taste may be attributing that to not flushing.
I stick with the exotic cuts primarily, and Im starting to wonder if that has something to do with my ability to rationalize not flushing..
Pre98 bubba even if not flushed has a nice taste, whereas 5 females from a pack of seeds may not naturally exhibit the characteristics of taste inherently... regardless of flushing or not..
Im going to start confusing myself... I need to shut the fuck up and put this theory to rest, as the only time I flushed was when I was growing from seed, and not clone...
Make sense? shit, I may have to revisit the drawing board, just as their are those that advocate not flushing like myself, there is an overwhelming amount of people that attribute the quality to this directly...
I think my head just exploded...
Smoked conventionally you have already accepted a proven high health risk ,
the additional risk from unflushed bud is tiny in comparison , but best avoided.