Designated Growers Corner

[growshopfrank]

I think that we will be ok
the government wont be able to put the grow your own genie back in the bottle way too many of us now
shit is gonna get interesting soon

 

[Canada]

I just came accross this link on you tube a few mins ago found the 1 st 15 minutes drag a bit but still worth a listen . its got me really thinking as a DG What needs to be in place for health canada to get out of the business.

Any ways what you guys think ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=406AYqWuYT0

 

[bench warmer]

 

[mr noodles]

"i mean nobody can ignore what is coming in the next month ...its public ..license will get revoked for everybody no matter what..."


I never set the 30 days bro, you put it right there in the first sentence. Peace GS


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=4881678&postcount=8

i know i forgot to put in the next FEW months , i also explained that my grammar and punctuation is very lame . im french canadian by definition . you know when i told you that what i meant was in the next month was meaning next FEW months or years . i translated the french expression but it failed because when you look up ,gs is right the way i put it mean like the next month , sorry 1 millions times again .

but you are right , i made a language mistake and when you read it literally , i am fautive . but i tough we explained that over and over again ...id like you to post in french just to see if you can be that clear in a different language , maybe , i know nothing about you .

no one know when tbh and no gov measure can be implemented overnight thats was cleared long ago ...

can we move on the main cause which is our problem with hell canada program .

i foresee a massive backfire for the cons....everybody will tell them to go to hell . they dont have the resource to check every grow in canada just to verify that the place is empty....or they will give all the info to the dogs...that scenario wont surprise me if happen to be a reality ....im pessimistic regarding any action by the cons .

i like the part in the article where it said health canada have listen to thousands of peoples.....

that's why they came out with the worst case scenario , they studied and spied on us just to royally try to screw the whole thing . instead of fixing the program , they apply the lethal measure on it .

all the thing that was mentioned to not do will be implemented .

while that time all we can do is supporting the d larsen initiative in bc and support the whole bc movement because in my province...these rules are the end of it for good if happen , hell they closed the compassion club here...no alternative ...nothing...the black hole of canada is quebec...on many issue lol

 

[shizznit]

4.2 Dried Marihuana Production and Distribution

Under the proposed redesigned program, Health Canada would no longer enter into a contract with a commercial entity to supply and distribute dried marihuana and marihuana seeds.
The only legal source of dried marihuana would be commercial producers, who would be licensed by Health Canada to produce and distribute dried marihuana. Individuals would purchase their supply of dried marihuana from one of these licensed commercial producers.
Personal and designated production would be phased out.
In order to be licensed by Health Canada, licensed commercial producers would have to demonstrate compliance with requirements related to, for example, product quality, personnel, record-keeping, safety and security, disposal and reporting, as set out in new proposed regulations. These controls would aim to ensure the quality of the product being purchased by program participants, as well as the security of production sites.
Health Canada would establish a comprehensive compliance and enforcement regime for licensed commercial producers, centered on regular audits and inspections.
Licensed commercial producers would be required to comply with specific product labelling and packaging requirements. The label and/or the package itself could be one way by which a program participant could demonstrate that their supply of marihuana is legal.
Licensed commercial producers would only be permitted to produce marihuana indoors.
Licensed commercial producers would be able to produce any strain(s) of marihuana, thus giving individuals greater choice as to which strain(s) they wish to use.
Licensed commercial producers would set the price for marihuana for medical purpose.
Licensed commercial producers would only be able to send the dried marihuana they cultivate to individuals by registered mail or bonded courier.

6. Impact on Current Program Participants Who Hold a Personal-Use or Designated-Person Production Licence

Within the proposed redesigned Program, only licensed commercial producers will be legally allowed to supply individuals with marihuana for medical purposes. Personal and designated production would be phased out.

That said, as the Government of Canada is committed to ensuring access to an uninterrupted legal source of dried marihuana, it will notify all holders of personal-use and designated-person production licences well in advance of the coming-into-effect of any improvements to the Program. A detailed transition plan will be shared with stakeholders when proposed regulations are pre-published in Canada Gazette, Part I.

 

[shizznit]

In both....

Personal and designated production would be phased out.

 

[crazy_eagle]

Lets just hope this doesn't happen!

 

[Green Supreme]

Ya talk is cheap. As stated previously, till it is sent to the Gazette and printed, the rest is just a guess. Peace GS

 

[VagPuncher]

They have to:

1) Publish the purposed requirements in the Gazette.

2) Commercial distributors will have to write up proposals. Not just a note. A full, viable plan. A - Z. How it's grown. Where it's grown. Who's growing it. Building blueprints. Ventilation blueprints. Who the bonded courier will be. How they plan on distributing it. How they grade it. How they will test it. What will they grow. How much will they charge? Plus a million other 'this, that and the other' parts. This will take a minimum of 3 months for the first proposals to be finished. I would say the government will say potential applicants have 4-6 to tender an application.

3) Health Canada has to read all of these applications and have significant discussion about which of these 6? 10? 20? 50? applicants are feasible.

4) Infrastructure needs to be built. All these guys with 300 lighters have passed electrical codes, but do you think that will be acceptable as an actual distributor? No chance. These grows are going to have to be spotless. No pesticides. No herbicides. No fungicides. Like a fucking lab.

5) They will have to grow the product and test it, over and over again. You can't grow weed send it out and then grow some more and have it be completely different. Consistency is extremely difficult in agriculture.

6) Physicians need literature and education on how to fully prescribe patients the meds.

7) Lastly, they have to grow enough to supply the demand. Health Canada can not fuck this is up more than anything. Nothing will be worse for them than patients unable to have meds.

Health Canada want's to make this as fool proof as possible. No mistakes can be made or lawsuits will go through the roof.

You think all that can be done in 12 months?

Not.A.Fucking.Chance.

 

[beanja]

They have to:

1) Publish the purposed requirements in the Gazette.

2) Commercial distributors will have to write up proposals. Not just a note. A full, viable plan. A - Z. How it's grown. Where it's grown. Who's growing it. Building blueprints. Ventilation blueprints. Who the bonded courier will be. How they plan on distributing it. How they grade it. How they will test it. What will they grow. How much will they charge? Plus a million other 'this, that and the other' parts. This will take a minimum of 3 months for the first proposals to be finished. I would say the government will say potential applicants have 4-6 to tender an application.

3) Health Canada has to read all of these applications and have significant discussion about which of these 6? 10? 20? 50? applicants are feasible.

4) Infrastructure needs to be built. All these guys with 300 lighters have passed electrical codes, but do you think that will be acceptable as an actual distributor? No chance. These grows are going to have to be spotless. No pesticides. No herbicides. No fungicides. Like a fucking lab.

5) They will have to grow the product and test it, over and over again. You can't grow weed send it out and then grow some more and have it be completely different. Consistency is extremely difficult in agriculture.

6) Physicians need literature and education on how to fully prescribe patients the meds.

7) Lastly, they have to grow enough to supply the demand. Health Canada can not fuck this is up more than anything. Nothing will be worse for them than patients unable to have meds.

Health Canada want's to make this as fool proof as possible. No mistakes can be made or lawsuits will go through the roof.

You think all that can be done in 12 months?

Not.A.Fucking.Chance.

I dont know about not a fuckin chance , its all over the news about the new proposed changes. The tories are lookin bad with not dealing with it , global news claims it is the number 1 complaint to local MP's and i cant see them putting it off till the next election(2015)

 

[OneTokeOver]

Don't they have to satisfy the court first?

 

[shizznit]

This is from Health Canada's website.... from the horses mouth....

Proposed Improvements to Health Canada's Marihuana Medical Access Program
Notice to the reader: The online consultation is now closed. Comments and suggestions received during the public consultation period are being considered in the finalization of this document. The final report will be made available as soon as possible.

Consultation Document

June 17, 2011
Table of Contents

Introduction
How to Comment on this Document
The Improvements under Consideration
How the Proposed Redesigned Program Would Work
Physician-Patient Interaction
Dried Marihuana Production and Distribution
Impact on Current Program Participants Holding an Authorization to Possess Marihuana for Medical Purposes
Impact on Current Program Participants Who Hold a Personal-Use or Designated-Person Production Licence
Opportunity for Those Interested in Becoming a Licensed Commercial Producer

Annex : The Current Marihuana Medical Access Program
Regulation of Marihuana in Canada
Program History
How the Program Works Now

1. Introduction

The Marihuana Medical Access Program (the Program) provides seriously ill Canadians with access to marihuana for medical purposes1. In recent years, a wide range of stakeholders including police and law enforcement, fire officials, physicians, municipalities, and program participants and groups representing their interests, have identified concerns with the current program.

Some of the key concerns raised include:

the potential for diversion of marihuana produced for medical purposes to the illicit market;
the risk of home invasion due to the presence of large quantities of dried marihuana or marihuana plants;
public safety risks, including electrical and fire hazards, stemming from the cultivation of marihuana in homes;
public health risks due to the presence of excess mould and poor air quality associated with the cultivation of marihuana plants in homes;
the complexity and length of the application process for individuals who wish to obtain an authorization to possess and/or a licence to produce marihuana;
the impact of increasing participation in the Program on the efficiency and timeliness of the application and review process;
the fact that Health Canada only supplies one strain of dried marihuana; and,
the need for more current medical information pertaining to the risks and benefits associated with the use of marihuana for medical purposes, as a means of supporting discussions between physicians and their patients as to whether such treatment is appropriate.

To address these concerns, Health Canada is considering improvements to the Program. The proposed improvements would reduce the risk of abuse and exploitation by criminal elements and keep our children and communities safe.

In this regard, Health Canada would like to hear from Canadians about the improvements under consideration. You are invited to provide comments on this document.

The legalization or decriminalization of marihuana is not part of these changes. Marihuana will continue to be regulated as a controlled substance under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA).

Until any of the proposed improvements to the Program are in place, the process for applying for an authorization to possess and/or a licence to produce marihuana for medical purposes under the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations (MMAR) will remain the same.
2. How to Comment on this Document

The proposed improvements outlined in Sections 3 to 7 of this document represent the foundation of a redesigned program that addresses many of the concerns the Government of Canada has heard about the current program.

If you are interested in providing comments on this document, please do so by July 31, 2011.

By Email: consultations-marihuana@hc-sc.gc.ca
By Fax: 613-946-4224
By Mail: Marihuana Consultations
Controlled Substances and Tobacco Directorate
Health Canada
Mail Room, Federal Records Centre - Bldg 18
1st Floor, 161 Goldenrod Driveway, Tunney's Pasture
Ottawa ON K1A 0K9

Please note that Health Canada is committed to reviewing and considering all comments received by July 31, 2011.
3. The Improvements under Consideration

The improvements being considered would not alter the Program's intent to provide seriously ill Canadians with reasonable access to a legal source of marihuana for medical purposes, where conventional treatments are not appropriate and/or have failed to provide necessary relief.

The core of the redesigned Program would be a new, simplified process in which Health Canada no longer receives applications from program participants. A new supply and distribution system for dried marihuana that relies on licensed commercial producers would be established. These licensed commercial producers, who would be inspected and audited by Health Canada so as to ensure that they comply with all applicable regulatory requirements, would be able to cultivate any strain(s) of marihuana they choose. Finally, the production of marihuana for medical purposes by individuals in homes and communities would be phased out.

Individuals wishing to use marihuana for medical purposes would still be required to consult a physician who is licensed to practice medicine in Canada.
4. How the Proposed Redesigned Program Would Work
4.1 Physician-Patient Interaction

Health Canada maintains that the determination as to whether the use of marihuana for medical purposes is appropriate for a particular individual is best made through a discussion with their physician. In this regard, Health Canada is proposing to eliminate the categories of conditions or symptoms for which an individual may possess marihuana for medical purposes under the MMAR.
Individuals would continue to be required to consult a physician to obtain access to marihuana for medical purposes. Since categories would be eliminated, there would no longer be a requirement for some individuals to obtain the support of a specialist in addition to their primary care physician in order to access marihuana for medical purposes.
The existing medical declaration would be replaced by a new document provided by the physician to the individual. Health Canada will consult the medical community on the form this document will take.
Individuals would no longer be required to submit information to Health Canada to be authorized to possess dried marihuana. Instead, they would submit their physician's document directly to a licensed commercial producer.
Health Canada will establish an Expert Advisory Committee to improve physician access to comprehensive, accurate and up-to-date information on the use of marihuana for medical purposes, thereby facilitating informed decision-making with respect to the use of marihuana for medical purposes.
Health Canada would work with the medical community, their provincial/territorial licensing authorities and their associations on the proposed improvements to the program.

4.2 Dried Marihuana Production and Distribution

Under the proposed redesigned program, Health Canada would no longer enter into a contract with a commercial entity to supply and distribute dried marihuana and marihuana seeds.
The only legal source of dried marihuana would be commercial producers, who would be licensed by Health Canada to produce and distribute dried marihuana. Individuals would purchase their supply of dried marihuana from one of these licensed commercial producers.
Personal and designated production would be phased out.
In order to be licensed by Health Canada, licensed commercial producers would have to demonstrate compliance with requirements related to, for example, product quality, personnel, record-keeping, safety and security, disposal and reporting, as set out in new proposed regulations. These controls would aim to ensure the quality of the product being purchased by program participants, as well as the security of production sites.
Health Canada would establish a comprehensive compliance and enforcement regime for licensed commercial producers, centered on regular audits and inspections.
Licensed commercial producers would be required to comply with specific product labelling and packaging requirements. The label and/or the package itself could be one way by which a program participant could demonstrate that their supply of marihuana is legal.
Licensed commercial producers would only be permitted to produce marihuana indoors.
Licensed commercial producers would be able to produce any strain(s) of marihuana, thus giving individuals greater choice as to which strain(s) they wish to use.
Licensed commercial producers would set the price for marihuana for medical purpose.
Licensed commercial producers would only be able to send the dried marihuana they cultivate to individuals by registered mail or bonded courier.

5. Impact on Current Program Participants Holding an Authorization to Possess Marihuana for Medical Purposes

With the proposed redesigned Program, there would be no change to the important first step of an individual consulting with their physician in order to obtain access to marihuana for medical purposes. In response to concerns raised by the medical community regarding the clinical use of marihuana, Health Canada is committed to working with the medical community on the identification of reference information that supports appropriate physician-patient consultation on this issue.

Once it has been determined that the use of marihuana for medical purposes is appropriate, the physician would provide the individual with a document.

Individuals would then send the physician's document directly to a licensed commercial producer of their choice. The licensed producer would validate the document from the physician by confirming that the physician is licensed to practice medicine in Canada. The licensed producer would register the individual as a customer and would process the order for a specific amount of dried marihuana. Health Canada would maintain an up-to-date list of licensed producers on its website, and work with the medical community to disseminate this information as widely as possible.

The distribution of dried marihuana by licensed commercial producers to program participants would be by registered mail or bonded courier only.

Participants would no longer receive an authorization to possess or an identification card from Health Canada. Health Canada will consult on how best to establish that an individual is in lawful possession of a legal source of dried marihuana.
6. Impact on Current Program Participants Who Hold a Personal-Use or Designated-Person Production Licence

Within the proposed redesigned Program, only licensed commercial producers will be legally allowed to supply individuals with marihuana for medical purposes. Personal and designated production would be phased out.

That said, as the Government of Canada is committed to ensuring access to an uninterrupted legal source of dried marihuana, it will notify all holders of personal-use and designated-person production licences well in advance of the coming-into-effect of any improvements to the Program. A detailed transition plan will be shared with stakeholders when proposed regulations are pre-published in Canada Gazette, Part I.
7. Opportunity for Those Interested in Becoming a Licensed Commercial Producer

Health Canada is aware that transition to the proposed redesigned Program requires access to an adequate supply of dried marihuana to meet the needs of current and future Program participants. In this regard, Health Canada has identified compliance with requirements relating to the following aspects of production and distribution as being key to obtaining a commercial producer licence:

Dried Marihuana Production, Distribution and Disposition
indoor production in a non-residential area;
physical security standards;
product quality standards;
packaging and labelling standards; and
requirements for the disposal of excess plant material, excess dried marihuana and/or expired dried marihuana.
Personnel
designation of an individual responsible for managing the production and distribution of dried marihuana; and
specific qualifications for all personnel involved in production and distribution.
Record-keeping and Reporting
requirements to keep records relating to all on-site activities for a set period of time, and the ability to provide set records to Health Canada on request; and
requirements for reporting on activities associated with the cultivation of marihuana and the distribution of dried marihuana.
Compliance and Enforcement
pre-qualification audits and pre-licence inspections; and
inspections and/or audits on an ongoing basis.

Annex: The Current Marihuana Medical Access Program
1. Regulation of Marihuana in Canada

Marihuana is included in Schedule II to the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA), and as such, is regulated as a controlled substance in Canada. This means that all activities, e.g., possession, possession for the purposes of trafficking, production, importation, exportation, trafficking, and possession for the purposes of exporting, are illegal except as authorized by regulation. Illegal activities associated with marihuana are considered to be criminal offences and are subject to the penalties set out in the CDSA.
2. Program History

In 1999, Health Canada established the Marihuana Medical Access Program (the Program) so as to provide seriously ill Canadians suffering from grave and debilitating illnesses with access to a legal source of dried marihuana for medical purposes. In the original Program, Health Canada authorized individuals to possess marihuana and/or to produce a limited number of plants for medical use through exemptions issued under section 56 of the CDSA.

In July 2000, the Ontario Court of Appeal found fault with the discretionary way in which Health Canada was using Section 56 of the CDSA as the means of granting authorization to possess and/or produce dried marihuana for medical purposes. In response, Health Canada established the Marihuana Medical Access Regulations (MMAR).

The MMAR set out a scheme by which any seriously ill Canadian can, with a declaration from a physician, obtain an authorization to possess and/or a licence to produce dried marihuana for their own personal medical use. The MMAR also provide for an authorized person to designate someone to grow marihuana on their behalf. In 2003, the MMAR were amended to provide for the option for authorized persons to obtain dried marihuana or marihuana seeds for medical purposes by Health Canada. This supply is currently provided under contract by Prairie Plant Systems Inc.

Since 2003, the MMAR have been amended on a number of occasions, so as to streamline the Program, respond to stakeholder concerns and/or address additional court decisions.
3. How the Program Works Now
Eligibility

Under the current Program, individuals suffering from life-threatening or chronic medical conditions must first obtain the support of a licensed medical practitioner who completes a medical declaration stating that dried marihuana is going to be used to alleviate a specific symptom associated with an identified medical condition. The individual then includes this medical declaration in their application for an authorization to possess. To be authorized to possess marihuana, an individual's symptoms and conditions must fall within one of two possible categories:

Category 1: any symptom treated as part of compassionate end-of-life care or for symptoms related to specific medical conditions, namely:
Severe pain and/or persistent muscle spasms from multiple sclerosis, a spinal cord injury;
Severe pain, cachexia, anorexia, weight loss, and/or severe nausea from cancer or HIV/AIDS infection;
Severe pain from severe forms of arthritis; or,
Seizures from epilepsy.
Category 2: a debilitating symptom that is associated with a medical condition or with the medical treatment of that condition, other than those described in Category 1.

Authorization to Possess

If an individual's application meets all of the requirements set out in the MMAR, Health Canada must issue an authorization to possess marihuana for medical purposes to the applicant. The applicant's physician is always notified when an authorization to possess is issued.

Authorized individuals then have three options to obtain a supply of dried marihuana for medical purposes. They can:

Apply for a personal-use production licence authorizing them to grow their own supply of marihuana; or,
Designate someone to produce on their behalf under a designated-person production licence.
Purchase dried marihuana from Health Canada

Licensed Production

As set out above, there are two different types of licences to produce marihuana for medical purposes: personal-use production licences and designated-person production licences. All licences set out specific terms and conditions applicable to the licence, including the maximum amount of marihuana a licence holder may possess at any one time, and the maximum number of plants that are allowed to be in cultivation at any one time.
Footnotes

Footnote 1

For more information about the existing Program and its history, please see the Annex.

 

[Green Supreme]

Ya ya old news. Still not the guidelines as posted in the Gazette, the forum the government has chosen as media disclosure. Scream the sky is falling all day, I prefer not to run around like a chicken with my head cut off. Peace GS

 

[shizznit]

WTF are you talking about?
If it's in the Gazette it's simply reporting what this (Health Canada) website says.
Perhaps you're unaware, but one needs NOT wait for media disclosure when policy disclosure is on their own website, first....

We just have to hope that phasing out means previously licensed Personal Use Production Licensees get to remain as such.
At today's prices people gotta be able to grow their own, could you imagine sleeping in your car cause you smoke too much pot?

 

[mr noodles]

so far they droped what we called 'trial balloon' just to see . we all feel bad about it , no doubt , they are masturbating on our demise . even if they know all the shit they are doing is going to be reverse with a severe backfire in the next 2 years from now . we are on the edge of 2013 and harper dictature will end on 2015 .

we dont know what they will do but we know its going to be stupid and its exactly that swang song that will cause the war on pot to be lost by the cons .this will be the final battle , the big one !

what we should do is wait their move and find their mistake and error and fight to the end with it .ill stop growing at nothing ! jail me !

like some mentioned out , they cant phase us overnight and time will be a factor here .even if the gov give the list to rcmp and say go and bust...the cost and resource for the biggest raid on patient ? impossible and the public opinion will never forgive something stupid like that . even in our worst fear that scenario is almost impossible . they know they will lose the next election big time

the general population reaction will raise passion and mobilization , especially after wa and co being fully legal .legal , yes legal, legal !

fact is , we wait for the new battlefield and we will take some brutal hit but in the long breath we will win the war !

and on a positive note my province is refusing to apply mandatory minimum for pot , they will fight the constitutionality of it in court . so no jail for 6 plant in qc and no jail for small med grower .

fuck the conservatives .

 

[Green Supreme]

Smell ya later!

Not true, the new guidelines will appear in the Gazette first.

Just a reminder, this is a DG thread. If you have a DG question fine. No more Sky is falling BS please. Peace GS

 

[c-ray]

gazettes come out every saturday
it's the law of toyland!
http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/index-eng.html

 

[Canada]

Green Supreme when will the Gazette Post the New guidelines ?

 

[Green Supreme]

That truly is the question. It was promised for November 24th. That is part of why I am unwilling to hold my breath on this shit. Peace GS

 

[Canada]

They dont have a well thought out exit plan do they?