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Kangativa's Mullumbimby Madness Grow

Here's some giant outdoor sativas from Australian sativa breeder/grower Kangativa. His strains include landrace sativas personally collected from Indonesia, Thailand and Mexico (86' Highland Oaxacan Gold) as well as a stabilized line of Mullumbimby Madness from the early eighties. Kangativa has...
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Wish I could tell you more about this, unfortunately I know very little about the company and cultivars product

There are some VERY respected members that have told me good things and posted amazing grows
Most common variations of Thai seed im seeing is the Squrrel Tail and the Ko Chang

Also Kagyu from coastal seed had wrote about a "thai stick" from Burma Import weed strain avail comm
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Nam Black (Dutch Flowers) :: Cannabis Strain Info

I had the good fortune to get some VietNamese (aka Nam Black) seeds to grow out. These babies are pure SATIVA:Seeds were soaked in H20 overnight. Most sprouted in 24 hours. 100% germination. Put in Organic Soil under 120 watts fluros. Vegged 5 weeks....
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What Zomia has in not sure of the quality
The Viet Black @Charles-scott or Momma Thai @Seedsman,
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Seedsman stated this contains Skunk but the momma is Thai
is the closest to the real thing I have tried to date

I was looking into Ace Seeds and @dubi Thai lines, the double thai is history unless some does a repro
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Thai Regular - aceseeds

SOUTHEAST ASIAN LANDRACE SATIVA PAR EXCELLENCE
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Im working with a strain from SE Asia that did not get sprayed by defoliant during the war in Vietnam
Cambodia, Laos, its a ancient jungle strain that shows very wild type characteristics
Although it has been selected for resin production in Assam, more to come ....

Kangativa's Mullumbimby Madness Grow

Here's some giant outdoor sativas from Australian sativa breeder/grower Kangativa. His strains include landrace sativas personally collected from Indonesia, Thailand and Mexico (86' Highland Oaxacan Gold) as well as a stabilized line of Mullumbimby Madness from the early eighties. Kangativa has...
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Whatever fills the order for your Thai Sticks I hope you share your experiences for the best Thai high
We can all experience together

Best >>> :huggg:

Im not sure but your right, its most likely the same as the 1960s TS

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Oh yeah I have a very small amount of
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Im sure the mama thai....the thai used in it was older collected koh chang thai...
Good luck with your thai stick quest
 
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OAXACAN IBL

Eskobar Seeds:

“Pure IBL obtained from the mountains in Oaxaca, South Mexico. 8 to 9 weeks flowering, easy to control semi sativa (70% Sativa). Red and purple colors in the pale lemon green buds, very subtle. Soft fruity blend with spices and wood taste in the background. Very unique. Good trippy high up, funmaker.”

Anyone else working with this ?
 
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OAXACAN IBL

Eskobar Seeds:

“Pure IBL obtained from the mountains in Oaxaca, South Mexico. 8 to 9 weeks flowering, easy to control semi sativa (70% Sativa). Red and purple colors in the pale lemon green buds, very subtle. Soft fruity blend with spices and wood taste in the background. Very unique. Good trippy high up, funmaker.”

Anyone else working with this ?
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Never had them but the semi sativa 70% thing would turn me off trying them. The 30% not sativa will change the high, maybe to a stronger punch but the quality of high will suffer imo.
I have both cryptic labs oaxacan in my fridge and plan to run them this year.
 
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"‘Cannabis’ ontologies I: Conceptual issues with Cannabis and cannabinoids terminology" (Drug Science Policy and Law 2020;6:1–37, DOI: 10.1177/2050324520945797) suggest that the basic ‘cannabis product’ might not be composed of flowers, but fruits – more precisely, parthenocarpic fruits. Original study: journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2050324520945797
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Appendix II - Figure II-2. Observation of different fruits and pseudo-embryos in parthenocarpic infructescences of Cannabis. A: 1. Parthenocarpic fruits of a C. sativa; 2. Pseudo-embryos from the same infructescence; and for comparison, 3. Mature seeds from seeded fruits of C. sativa (from a different plant) and 4. Immature seeds from the same plant. B: Close-up on the seeds shown in image A-3. C: Close-up on the seeds shown in image A-4. D: 1. A parthenocarpic fruit; 2. A pseudo-embryo isolated from a different parthenocarpic fruit. E: The pericarp from the parthenocarpic fruit shown in image D-1 after having been opened and separated into two bracteoles, leaving visible an empty cavity and the unpollinated, dry, and undeveloped pseudo-embryo (indicated with the arrow). F: Close-up on the pseudo-embryo shown in image D-2 (left) and the pseudo-embryo separated from the fruit of image E (right). G: Close-uponthesamepseudo-embryos,turnedupsidedown.A-G:Scaleinmillimeters.H partially parthenocarpic infructescence of a C. sativa comminuted. Central part of the image: a dark piece of pericarp and tegument from a comminuted seeded fruit. Upper right part: one of the seedless fruit, separated from the rest of the infructescence during comminution. Scale: approx. 1:2. I: The pericarp from the parthenocarpic fruit isolated in A, after opening and separation into two bracteoles, leaving visible the pseudo-embryo (upper right side). Scale: approx. 1:4.​

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Genesis 1:29 - The Sixth Day

Then God said, Behold, I have given you every seed-bearing plant on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit contains seed. They will be yours for food.
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Bhang Is a Joyful, Intoxicating Way to Celebrate Holi

This cannabis drink is fragrant, sweet, and refreshing.
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Cardamom-Rose Bhang​

By Rachel Gurjar
March 3, 2023
Photograph by Isa Zapata, Food Styling by Kat Boytsova, Prop Styling by Gerri Williams


Total Time
20 minutes (plus cooling time)
Bhang is an edible preparation of cannabis with roots in the Indian subcontinent and a traditional component of Ayurvedic medicine. It’s frequently enjoyed as a celebratory beverage during Holi, the Hindu festival of colors, and other holidays. Fresh, or sometimes dried, cannabis leaves and flowers are blended with liquid and various spices, nuts, and seeds (think cloves, black pepper, cinnamon, fennel, almonds, pumpkin seeds, to name a few) for a drink that is refreshing, herbal, earthy, and slightly spicy, with a hint of sweetness. It may also have a noticeably bitter or astringent scent, which is normal for cannabis-infused products.
You’ll find a variety of cannabis drinks at bhang shops across India, like bhang lassi (thickened with yogurt) and bhang goli (made with just cannabis and water). This recipe most closely resembles bhang thandai, a milky, lightly sweetened version flavored with aromatic rose water, cardamom, and fennel seed.
Since fresh cannabis plants aren’t widely accessible in the United States, BA associate food editor Rachel Gurjar opts to use dried plants here, which come in plenty of unique flavors. “The ones I used for developing this recipe smelled of fruity bananas and pair nicely with the warm spices,” Rachel writes.
Toasting the dried cannabis transforms the inactive cannabinoids (THCA and CBDA) into their active counterparts (THC and CBD). Dosing also plays a big part in the experience of ingesting products that contain THC or tetrahydrocannabinol, the chemical component responsible for cannabis’s psychoactive effect. But don’t worry: We’ve done the math for you. About ¼ cup bhang equals about 13 mg THC when using cannabis with a 20% THC concentration (note: Though dispensaries should list the THC percentage for their products, it can vary from roughly 10%–30%, depending on the strain). For a seasoned edible consumer, this would be considered a moderate dose. First timers may want to consider using half the amount of cannabis (0.25 g instead of 0.5 g) in this recipe, or portioning the drink’s serving size in half.
 
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Bhang Lassi - The Oldest Cannabis Drink From India

Let's find out how bhang originated and why bhang lassi is revered in India
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Here's the recipe of Bhang Lassi via Civilized:

Bhang lassi ingredients:​

- 1/2 oz. Cannabis
- 2 Cups warm whole milk
- 1/2 Cup sugar
- 1 tbsp Coconut milk
- 1 tbsp Almonds, chopped
- 1/8 tsp Powdered ginger
- 1 pinch Garam masala
- 1/2 tsp Grenadine
- 1 cup Water

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The Atharva Veda mentions cannabis as one of the five most sacred plants on Earth and says that a guardian angel resides in its leaves. It also refers to it as a “source of happiness,” a “joy-giver” and a “liberator”. Ayurveda considers the cannabis plant to be of medicinal value and in the Sushruta Samhita (6 BCE) it is used to aid digestion and appetite. So common is it in Ayurveda that it has been called the “penicillin of Ayurvedic medicine”.

Bhang also plays an important role in Hindu celebrations like Shivratri (known as the 'night of Shiva') and Holi (the festival of colors). During these times, the addition of bhang to a traditional thandai as well lassi heightens the general sense of merriment on the streets.
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India​

According to the Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances (NDPS) Act of 1985:

"cannabis (hemp)" means-
(a) charas, that is, the separated resin, in whatever form, whether crude or purified, obtained from the cannabis plant and also includes concentrated preparation and resin known as hashish oil or liquid hashish;
(b) ganja, that is, the flowering or fruiting tops of the cannabis plant (excluding the seeds and leaves when not accompanied by the tops), by whatever name they may be known or designated; and
(c) any mixture, with or without any neutral material, of any of the above forms of cannabis or any drink prepared therefrom.
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As bhang is prepared from the seeds and the leaves of the Cannabis plant, it is not banned under the NDPS Act of 1985.
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Himalaya Archives - The Real Seed Company - Cannabis Landraces

Himalayan cannabis landrace strain seeds direct from heartlands of cannabis culture and biodiversity in the Indian and Nepali Himalaya
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Aroma: Floral, tangy, spicy, herbal
THC: 10.87%
CBD: 1.05%
CBN: 0.08%
Beta-caryophyllene: 0.42mg/mL
Alpha-pinene: 0.15mg/mL
Beta-pinene: 0.17mg/mL
Myrcene: 0.17mg/mL
Limonene: 0.07mg/mL
Geraniol: 1.56mg/mL
Terpenolene: 0.15mg/mL
Humulene: 1.27mg/mL
Nerolidol-1: 0.23mg/mL
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Nanda Devi - The Real Seed Company - Landrace Cannabis Seeds

Nanda Devi landrace strain cannabis seeds sourced direct from the charas valleys of northern Kumaon Himalaya by The Real Seed Company
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Peda made with bhang leaves
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Authenic Himalayan cannabis landrace seeds of charming rustic Himalayan hashplant. This strain is a specialised charas landrace unique to a few remote villages of northern Kumaon to the east of the Nanda Devi Sanctuary. Unlike typical multipurpose Himalayan crops, this strain is not grown for fibre or seed but instead is used by farmers exclusively for charas. The resin has an intense, soaring high that evens out into a long-lasting buzz.

Unusually fast-flowering for a Himalayan strain, ‘Nanda Devi’ is harvested from mid-August to mid-September during breaks in monsoon rains. Buds are highly resinous and aromatic, producing charas that has a better, stronger high than the distinct large-seeded domesticate (known as ‘dati’) which local villages also cultivate. All Himalayan domesticates occur as components of crop–weed complexes. However, wild-type var. himalayensis traits appear to be more pronounced in this accession than in multipurpose types.

Aromas are floral, tangy, herbal, and spicy. The traditional rustic braided charas this domesticate produces is somewhat harder and coarser than the typical Parvati type, but it has a very distinctive euphoric effect—an uplifting and positive vibe that makes it special.

Fans of Himalayan charas such as the Nepalese of the sixties and seventies will enjoy these plants. Highly recommended for those wanting a pristine, traditional Himalayan charas strain.

Characteristics: Early maturing, soaring high, hardy, humidity tolerant
 
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Hemp and medical cannabis still breed so it is one species, however they can be distinguished using these genetic markers! Cool!

Thank you for all the great posts Acespicoli! Very informative and interesting! :smoke:
 
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Kibungan · Benguet, Philippines

Benguet, Philippines
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Filipino Kibungan - Khalifa Genetics - Regular Landrace Seeds

From a remote and mountainous area, the Filipino Kibungan is easy to grow, very mold resistant and has a unique fruity aromatic profile.
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★★★★★ · Mountain peak
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Tropical Sativa From The Mountains Of Northern Philippines​

Highland tropical sativa with a unique fruity aromatic profile. Originating from a remote and mountainous area of northern Philippines, the Filipino Kibungan is easy to grow and extremely mold resistant.
Vigorous and easy to grow, this rare Filipino cultivar comes from a remote and sparsely populated mountain area. Local farmers typically grow small guerrilla patches in secluded locations up in the mountains. Most plants produce a delicious fruity scent reminiscent of a sweet and creamy tropical fruit. However some phenotypes tend to also be hazy and woody.
Many plants produce greasy stems with a distinct fruity smell. As they start flowering, the buds have a sweet fragrance at first which slowly becomes more complex. It then turns into a rich blend of sweet tropical fruit and spices.
The taste is often more woody and spicy though the fruitiness is still present on the exhale.
The Filipino Kibungan is without a doubt an uplifting strain. This fast hitter encourages creativity with its clean and joyful high. However, if harvested late, the effect can be more balanced thus producing a relaxing sensation.

Growth Pattern​

This Kibungan cultivar grows insanely fast. It shows a lot of lateral branching.
Once the plants really start blooming however, they focus their energy on the tops and can produce some long Sativa spears.
Because of the abundant rainfalls almost throughout the year, this cultivar has developed the ability to withstand extreme humidity.
Its airy buds let the air flow through them and almost never mold.
Although the buds can be wispy, some plants produce big long and heavy colas.
In addition to that, it is also quite cold resistant for a tropical Sativa.
As is the case with most tropical sativas, the Filipino Kibungan can thrive in a poor soil. However, unlike most Sativas, it can also tolerate more fertile soils.
This cultivar is therefore more forgiving and more beginner friendly than most tropical varieties.

Preservation​

In the Philippines, cannabis cultivation is still punishable by life imprisonment which causes local farmers to be extremely cautious. Therefore, sourcing seeds from that region is very difficult. The war on cannabis along with the introduction of foreign genetics have already made many Filipino landraces disappear. For these reasons, a local Filipino grower offered us these heirloom seeds for their reproduction and preservation. It allowed the Khalifa team to preserve this invaluable cultivar before the relentless eradication campaigns and pollen contamination caused it to go extinct.
This unique Filipino landrace is recommended to collectors, preservationists and breeders looking for an easy-to-grow Sativa with outstanding mold resistance and fruity terpenes.

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--"Local farmers typically grow small guerrilla patches in secluded locations up in the mountains."--

Kibungan sounds perfect for a guerilla grow! Of course 14-17 weeks to maturity in flower, so have to be in the right climate. Mold resistant! Wonder how it does in low light conditions.

Looks like of like a stamen (bananna) in that first pic but maybe not.

Thats close to Thailand and near Asia. Wonder if it's similar to some thai resin types?

Sounds really good, I have some fruit in my culitvar, would be nice to try maybe someday. Thanks for sharing!
 
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pipeline said:
--"Local farmers typically grow small guerrilla patches in secluded locations up in the mountains."--

Kibungan sounds perfect for a guerilla grow! Of course 14-17 weeks to maturity in flower, so have to be in the right climate. Mold resistant! Wonder how it does in low light conditions.

Looks like of like a stamen (bananna) in that first pic but maybe not.

Thats close to Thailand and near Asia. Wonder if it's similar to some thai resin types?

Sounds really good, I have some fruit in my culitvar, would be nice to try maybe someday. Thanks for sharing!
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Im looking for good South East Asian cultivars to add to the collection
Long spear buds and no ceiling trippy weed with around 20% thc with high amounts of thcv
One I grew back in the 80s had extreme narrow leaf kinda tasted like sweet grass but the effect was very up
these are my the goals of this search

Thailand​


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I have the Mama Thai it apparently is not a pure Thai but has some skunk as the Mother so there that...

This is also in the stables for next race
Worthy of Mention, and hope to try
Not sure but it might be worth a try?
I have the Red Thai from Bodhi Collection

Anything Vietmanese Laos Cambodian or south pacific islands im willing to try to find the one
Nam Black
Sliver Leaf
Who knows just post em here :D ?
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When we talk NLD this is what im thinking...
Strain: Lao Luang Prabang
Breeder: ACE Seeds
Location: Indoor
Upload date: 11.08.2019
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This is most likely the next one to run, received as "Red Thai"


Red Thai F4
13 seeds per pack
The Red Thai originally came from The Real Seed Company. The plants won’t begin flowering under two months of age. The flowering time is 25+ weeks. so a minimum of 33 weeks is needed to properly grow this one. There are two variations in taste and high i found.

Smoke report on the red thai
The high starts in the head then goes down the body, bringing a blissful slightly relaxed feeling. Euphoria builds up and gets you going with its balanced energy. smoke more and drift away into your head of thoughts, a fun happy high. its effects lasting 3-4 hrs. The taste is a really nice complex lemon/citrus/frankincense with strong spice background.

There are rarer fatter leaved plants which show some red color in the stems. It formed tighter buds then the other one. The taste is at first citrusy then goes into a incense like tobacco taste that fades into an earthy chocolate. The initial high is an energy boost, your mood elevates with positive vibrations and thoughts. Then you slowly relax into bliss and may fall asleep, lasting about 3 hrs.

Original info from RSC 

Genetics: Pure Southeast Asian Ganja Plant 
Latitude: 15°N 
Regional Maturation: late December to early February 
Height: 4m or more 
Aroma: rich and ‘leathery’ like good tobacco, but nicer! 


Characteristics: long red pistils on dark calyxes, big yields, great ‘Thai’ flavour

This is a big ganja strain grown in Northeast Thailand (‘Isaan’) and Lao. Buds are typically a deep reddish-brown to mauve-brown and have unusual long red pistils (‘hairs’). Smoke is particularly smooth and rich. The precise aroma is impossible to describe: something like leathery pipe tobacco, with hints of chocolate, coffee and musk. These are large plants, capable of going over 4 metres outdoors. A superior plant to the ‘Mekong’, though unfortunately only limited stock is available at present. The high is very euphoric and long-lasting. It is possible this ‘Red Thai’ line is related to a prized ’70s Lao/Isaan strain that was grown in this region and known to smokers as ‘Sa Daeng’ or ‘Red Ganja’.
 
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I don't know, how about "Oregon Purple Thai"? Think its already on the list. So many strains, so little time!

Purple Thai » Thailand - Sativa
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Freezer vs Fridge... Lately im more inclined to save the best of the best, ask yourself if you can only have one strain of a specific type which strain would it be and why?

Obviously many strains look nice, what are the pheno type of the most desirable types?

Like HAZE have a combination of all the best import of the time best adapted to the
Bay Area growers greenhouses?
Sativas that finish in their area,,,,Huge point if your outdoors, you need a adapted strain
If you preserve all your favorites in one line maybe you dont have to choose,
Then the dominant genes eventually over populate the genetic pool so that the variation becomes null
Save your best clone from the first landrace open population run...

If im waiting 26 weeks of flower it has to yield to justify the expense and space
This is why many strains come and go? If its truly a unique plant maybe this does not matter as much,
Long full length branches of buds with little wasted space between nodes

Terpenes Potency Effect -trip weed for the Thai this is what I expect smooth sweet spicy like herbal tea

"So many strains, so little time!" True :tiphat:
Have heard Nirvana Full Moon was very good as well as Ace Golden Tiger
Its nice to keep different strains offsets genetic drift somewhat,

Thai Gold - blended to produce large yields of exceptionally potent trip weed :)

OPT is a heirloom thats been round forever DJ short worked that line if I remember correctly

Highland Oxacan Gold (aka H.O.G.) is a sativa variety from unknown origin and can be cultivated indoors and outdoors. .used by DJ Short Not onto the marked, but used into his breeding projects.

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Grew some orig Flo it was a very nice plant!

Flo is a Sativa/Indica cross (60% Sativa / 40% Indica) with very Sativa phenotypic characteristics that also matures very early. The large, tight, spear-shaped buds are made up of small, densely packed purple calyxes. The plants are taller and like to branch out.

Indoors the buds are fully mature by the end of their sixth week. Outdoors the plant is a super producer when multi-harvested over a period of time. The first buds are ripe around the third week of September. About every ten days after that, new buds form and can be harvested through the end of November, if the plant can be kept alive that long. Therefore, Flo is ideal for greenhouse production.

The motivational high produced by the Flo is quite unique; the flavor is like Nepalese Temple Hash. A most pleasant and enjoyable experience. Rated #1 strain at Cannabis Cup `96 by Cannabis Canada Magazine.

Seedsman has a reproduction run
 
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Upon harvest, drought-stressed plants had increased
concentrations of major cannabinoids tetrahydrocannabinol acid (THCA) and canna-
bidiolic acid (CBDA) by 12% and 13%, respectively, compared with the control.
Further, yield per unit growing area of THCA was 43% higher than the control, CBDA
yield was 47% higher, Δ9 -tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) yield was 50% higher, and
cannabidiol (CBD) yield was 67% higher. Controlled drought stress may therefore be an
effective horticultural management technique to maximize both inflorescence dry weight
and cannabinoid yield in cannabis, although results may differ by cannabis cultivar or
chemotype.

At the beginning of the 20th century, the majority of hashish in Europe came from Kashmir and other parts of India, Afghanistan, as well as Greece, Syria, Nepal, Lebanon, and Turkey. Larger markets developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s when most of the hashish was imported from Pakistan and Afghanistan.

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All "Hashplant" Cannabis/Marijuana Strains :: SeedFinder :: Strain Info

Here a short overview about all cannabis-strains with the brand "Hashplant". Click onto the name to get some more info!
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Black Widow
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Sensi Star Derg Corra below
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Chem91 SkunkVA
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One of possibly the best for last SourB
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Please share your best hash plants used for pain meds etc
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Balkh Hashplant (Khalifa Genetics) :: Cannabis Strain Info

The Balkh hashplant is one of the most legendary afghan cultivars. This flavorful landrace variety has been used for hundreds of years for making a sweet and fruity hashish of the highest quality. These robust plants have been used for centuries and ...
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