Covid 19 mrna Vaccines...Yes/No?

[Gry]

If I am not mistaken, Cuba was the first to start distributing low cost vaccines, and has several which are now available and being used internationally.
Recall having heard several calls to suspend the normal patent protection processes that big pharma dearly loves, in light of the pandemic, they did
say they gave consideration to idea, but decline to take that route.
The absence of morality to Rockefeller medicine never ceases to amaze me.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

With all due respect, globalresearch.ca is the canadian version of infoplanet. I wouldn't rely on *anything coming out of it.

The shot? Hell ya. Gimmy 2. There's a reason we live for longer than 35 years.

 

[St. Phatty]

With all due respect, globalresearch.ca is the canadian version of infoplanet. I wouldn't rely on *anything coming out of it.

The shot? Hell ya. Gimmy 2. There's a reason we live for longer than 35 years.

There's no comparison between the hippies behind Global Research and Alex Jones.

Jones is not anti-war. I perceive no sincerity in his reporting.

 

[Absolem]

Backlash As Rich Countries Vaccinate A Person Per Second With Poor Nations Alleging "Vaccine Apartheid"

Sunday, Mar 14, 2021 - 16:30

Authored by Jake Johnson via CommonDreams.org,

You should be happy about this. You have spent the last several months telling people NOT to get vaccinated and how deadly the vaccines are.

Now you are trying to make a big fuss about poor countries not getting vaccinated at the same rate?

I do enjoy your fake outrage.

 

[mexcurandero420]

 

[trichrider]

You should be happy about this. You have spent the last several months telling people NOT to get vaccinated and how deadly the vaccines are.

Now you are trying to make a big fuss about poor countries not getting vaccinated at the same rate?

I do enjoy your fake outrage.

let's talk about fake...

i didn't say anything one way or the other about poor countries "not getting vaccinated at the same rate". show where I said anything of the sort.
and i could care less whether you enjoy anything about me.

and your LIE here is especially grievous: "You have spent the last several months telling people NOT to get vaccinated and how deadly the vaccines are."

not one time have i declared the vaccines to be deadly...not once! i have warned about consequences, but never did i state they were deadly.
dangerous, yes deadly no.

post #387 by trichrider date 03/10/21
"you go ahead and get the pokey-pokey if you want, others have the right and the responsibility to protect themselves from unwanted and unproven invasive procedures."

if this is telling people 'for several months' not to get vaccinated and how deadly they are, then you're insane as well as a LIAR.
liars are like thieves, and i despise both.

fake as fuck!

 

[trichrider]

“He Doesn’t Know Anything – And I’d Say it to His Face” – Nobel Prize Winning Inventor of PCR Test UNLOADS on Dr. Fauci in Earlier Video
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ntor-pcr-test-unloads-dr-fauci-earlier-video/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7GlJPwGHhs
Eugenio Derbez asks Fauci the obvious questions


Why should current Covid-19 vaccines not be used for mass vaccination during a pandemic?
G. Vanden Bossche, DVM, PhD
Independent Vaccine Research Consultant
https://mcusercontent.com/92561d6de...2-d323642a0072/concern_about_using_current_Co vid_19_vaccines_for_mass_vacci nation_in_the_midst_of_a_pande mic_Geert_Vanden_Bossche.pdf

New CDC guidelines indicate the vaccine’s only good for 3 months???
https://www.independentsentinel.com/new-cdc-guidelines-indicate-the-vaccines-only-good-for-3-months/

 

[armedoldhippy]

WOOHOO! got my first dose of the Moderna vaccine today. one month wait before the second. was advised not to register for it until 4/13 though...oh well.

 

[gaiusmarius]

as long as you understand that you are part of a human vaccine trail that will only really provide reliable long term safety data 5 to 10 years from now its your business.

this thing has only been granted emergecy use authorization
long term safety data is null
its a new type of experimental vaccine (mrna)
governments had to grant producers legal immunity for any side effects

if thats not enough to make you at least hesitate you are braver then me.

 

[armedoldhippy]

as long as you understand that you are part of a human vaccine trail that will only really provide reliable long term safety data 5 to 10 years from now its your business.
if thats not enough to make you at least hesitate you are braver then me.

somebody has to go first. WTF? there won't BE any "long-term" safety data until people get vaccinated. we understand if being on the leading edge is not in your itinerary.

 

[gaiusmarius]

somebody has to go first. WTF? there won't BE any "long-term" safety data until people get vaccinated. we understand if being on the leading edge is not in your itinerary.

lol, i see what you did there.....personally, i sincerely thank you for your service to humanity,

 

[Absolem]

People have been working on mRNA for the last 70+ years.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60982215006065

"The first person to argue that DNA produces RNA which in turn leads to protein synthesis was André Boivin, in 1947.

•The first suggestion that small RNA molecules move from the nucleus to the cytoplasm and associate with ribosomes where they drive protein synthesis was made by Raymond Jeener, in 1950.

•The first reports of what we would now identify as mRNA were made by Al Hershey’s group in 1953 and by Volkin and Astrachan in 1956."


Think of mRNA as Space X. The human body is the space station. We didn't need to build Space X/mRNA cause it already existed. Lets say the space station/human body needs a part to fix a problem onboard. We have the Rocket/mRNA to get it there but what we don't have is the genetic menu for the mRNA to deliver the part to the space station/human body. The part of the vaccine that came quickly was the "Spike Protein"/genetic menu for the mRNA to deliver to the human body to start making the "Spike Protein" which is the the anti bodies that fights off covid.

The super exciting part of mRNA is we no longer have to inject people with actual virus's anymore.

 

[armedoldhippy]

lol, i see what you did there.....personally, i sincerely thank you for your service to humanity,

i knew you would, lol. i just like to gouge you every now and then, make sure you are awake....

 

[mexcurandero420]

Belgium: 30-year-old goes blind a few hours after AstraZeneca vaccination

A 30-year-old nurse in Liège , Belgium suffered arterial thrombosis shortly after receiving the AstraZeneca vaccination and became blind in her right eye. The damage should be irreversible.
In the Sudpresse , she reported that she woke upthe night after being vaccinated with the first dose of AstraZeneca on March 1 and had seen nothing in her right eye. At first it was said that the problem would pass - but the doctors revised this statement when the arterial thrombosis was diagnosed.
The Belgian health minister confirmed the case. The young nurse is one of two cases of blood clots currently being investigated in Belgium in connection with the vaccination. A connection is still disputed. The vaccine is currently being used in Belgium.
In neighboring France, on the other hand, they are now following the example of many EU countries and suspending vaccination with AstraZeneca for the time being. This was announced by Emmanuel Macron today. The EMA should deliver an opinion on the AstraZeneca vaccine tomorrow.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Halt All Covid-19 Mass Vaccination Immediately (Open Letter to the WHO) — Vaccine Research Expert

Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD, DVM, is a vaccine research expert. He has a long list of companies and organizations he’s worked with on vaccine discovery and preclinical research, including GSK, Novartis, Solvay Biologicals, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Dr Vanden Bossche also coordinated the Ebola vaccine program at GAVI (Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization).

He is board-certified in Virology and Microbiology, the author of over 30 publications, and inventor of a patent application for universal vaccines. He currently works as an independent vaccine research consultant.

Monster”


Dr Bossche believes that vaccinologists, clinicians, and scientists are only focusing on short-term results at the individual level and not the consequences at the global population level, which he believes will soon become evident. Evident in the form of having transformed “a quite harmless virus into an uncontrollable monster”.

His concern rests on ‘immune escape’. For those needing an quick introduction to the topic, read Jemma Moran’s article Mutant variations and the danger of lockdowns.

For those needing a sweeping overview of our immunology, watch Ivor Cummins interview Creon Levit, Ep81 The Amazing Immunology of our Viral Issue – Incredible Science at Work! Many physicians would also benefit from watching this (note: the average physician receives exceptionally little training in immunology and virology). Those wishing to dig deeper into immunology in general, read for example, Roitt’s Essential Immunology, Thirteenth Edition.

Bossche states that the multiple emerging, “much more infectious” viral variants, are already examples of “immune escape” from our ‘innate immunity’, and were most-likely created by the government interventions themselves; the so-called Non-Pharmacological Interventions (NPIs) – i.e. lockdowns and cloth facial coverings. Unofficially, but also more aptly known as the Non-Scientific Interventions.

He believes that:

• Ongoing mass vaccination deployments are “highly-likely to further enhance ‘adaptive’ immune escape as none of the current vaccines will prevent replication/transmission of viral variants”
• As such, “The more we use these vaccines for immunizing people in the midst of a pandemic, the more infectious the virus will become”.
• And “With increasing infectiousness comes an increased likelihood of viral resistance to the vaccines”.

He claims his beliefs are basic principles taught in a student’s first vaccinology class – “One shouldn’t use a prophylactic vaccine in populations exposed to high infectious pressure (which is now certainly the case as multiple highly infectious variants are currently circulating”).

He states that to “fully escape”, the highly mutable virus, “only needs to add another few mutations in its receptor-binding domain”.
People Stand to Lose their Natural ‘Innate’ Immunity as a Consequence of the Meddling


His real worry though, or as he puts it, “beyond worried”, is that the humankind may severely damage it’s own, natural ‘innate’ immunity, because of the mass deployment of vaccination programs at this critical juncture. Our ‘innate’ immunity would be lost (a rich, variant-nonspecific, form of natural immunity).

It would also mean that vaccine-mediated protection would be lost.

All whilst new, more dangerous variants would be getting actively breed by mankind. In effect, “turning a relatively harmless virus into a bioweapon of mass destruction”.

https://dryburgh.com/geert-vanden-bossche-open-letter-to-who-halt-all-covid-19-mass-vaccination/

 

[mexcurandero420]

New variant in Brittany 'more difficult to trace', but more research needed

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  Daan van den Enden

A new corona variant has been found in a hospital in Lannion, in northwestern Brittany. There, 79 cases were tested. Eight test results that initially turned out to be negative were an as yet unknown variant of the virus.The RIVM has not yet detected the 'Breton variant' in our country.
The unknown variant was discovered through genome sequencing , which maps the entire genetic profile of the virus, the French health servicereports today. In several patients it appeared that the variant could be detected by deeper airway tests and blood tests. A positive test result was not obtained by means of the traditional nose and throat examination with cotton swabs.
The health service also indicates that it has not yet been demonstrated that the Breton variant causes a more serious disease course or is more contagious. According to epidemiologist Alma Tostmann of Radboud UMC, this conclusion is quite premature: "You cannot say that about eight cases. In addition, much is still unknown about this variant."
Genetic letters

For example, it is not clear why the variant initially went unnoticed. To find the presence of a virus, a PCR test or a rapid test can be used. There is thensearched for targets , small specific pieces of the virus that people are looking for.
If more details about the virus are needed to find out what variant it is, then the genetic sequence of that virus needs to be looked at.
"The more you look at viruses in detail, the greater the chance that you will find new variants. However, whether these new variants also have new properties is still the question", says epidemiologist and microbiologist Amrish Baidjoe."More detail is better. But that takes longer and is also more expensive."

“It would make sense if it was not in the place where sampling is normally done
Lieke van Alphen, medical molecular microbiologist at Maastricht UMC​

According to Lieke van Alphen, medical molecular microbiologist at Maastricht UMC, the variant of the virus has not mutated in such a way that the PCR test used in Maastricht could not detect it. "I cannot say with certainty whether the same test has been used in France, but the test we use has been widely published and is widely used, including by the RIVM."
"Therefore it would be logical that the virus is not in the place where sampling is normally done in the throat and nose, as they now say in France. Then it would indeed have to be tested with a blood test or a test in the deeper airways," concludes Van Alphen."But before we know that, more research is needed."

“Epidemiologically, there is no reason to implement additional easing
Epidemiologist Amrish Baidjoe​

A spokesperson for the RIVM reports that no case of the Breton variant has been found in the Netherlands at the moment.According to epidemiologist Baidjoe, there is a good chance that the virus variant has already crossed the border. "If you look at the very high infection rate now, then that is likely. That is why it remains incomprehensible that extra relaxation is being considered. There is no reason for this epidemiologically and you will also lose public support if the measures are tightened up again in the future. . "
His colleague Tostmann agrees."It is a fact that there will be variants and that the effect of vaccinations is at stake is also possible. But even then there are solutions and we do not need to panic immediately." And there are even favorable results to celebrate, Tostmann knows."Under the current measures, we see that the old variants are disappearing. But with new variants, the development will be awaited."

 

[trichrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BuCt2vtVjc

Coronavirus and the money behind vaccines | FT Film

 

[trichrider]

Trump says to get vaccinated...

On Tuesday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Fox News Primetime,” President Donald Trump said the coronavirus vaccine is “a great vaccine, it’s a safe vaccine, and it’s something that works” and is “really saving our country, and it’s saving, frankly, the world.”

Trump said, “Fortunately, in my administration, and through what I did, frankly, and others, but what I did with the FDA is I forced them to move quickly and we got the vaccine done in nine months instead of five years. … But we got a vaccine done in nine months, and, fortunately, that’s not only going to save our country, it’s going to save the world.”

He later added, “It works incredibly well, 95%, maybe even more than that. It works incredibly well. And it’s really saving our country, and it’s saving, frankly, the world.”

Host Maria Bartiromo then asked, “Would you recommend to our audience that they get the vaccine, then?”

Trump responded, “I would. I would recommend it. And I would recommend it to a lot of people that don’t want to get it. And a lot of those people voted for me, frankly. But, again, we have our freedoms and we have to live by that, and I agree with that also. But it’s a great vaccine, it’s a safe vaccine, and it’s something that works.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...accine-its-a-safe-vaccine-and-i-recommend-it/

 

[trichrider]

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China’s Massive Infiltration of U.S. Virus Research Laboratories

By Joe Hoft
Published March 16, 2021 at 2:30pm
140 Comments

Guest post by Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D.
It began in the 1990s as a trickle of Chinese military scientists trained by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) and arriving at U.S. universities and research institutions.

Then, via the scientific exchange equivalent of chain migration, U.S. virus research programs were flooded with scientists from Communist China, where Chinese scientists already working in the U.S. invited close colleagues to their laboratories
Thus, was created pockets of U.S.- based de facto Chinese research programs linked to the Chinese military, much of which was directly or indirectly funded by the U.S. government.

In essence, China colonized U.S. virus research programs, colonies that were financed by U.S. taxpayers, likely amounting to billions of dollars.
Dr. Shibo Jiang, now Professor and Director, Institute of Medical Microbiology at China’s Fudan University in Shanghai, obtained his MS and MD degrees from the First and the Fourth Medical University of the PLA.
Between 1987 and 1990, he received his postdoctoral training at the Rockefeller University in New York.
After 1990, Shibo Jiang worked in or has been associated with the Lindsley F. Kimball Research Institute of the New York Blood Center.
He developed an extensive network of collaborative research with other U.S. virus research laboratories and received more than $17 million in U.S. research grants, the vast majority coming from Dr. Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
During this entire period, Shibo Jiang maintained extensive collaborative research with PLA laboratories, described in detail here, while simultaneously inviting into his U.S. laboratory and training scientists linked to the Chinese military.
At the same time, Chinese military programs in virus research were expanding enormously and exploiting the knowledge and skills obtained by Chinese scientists working in U.S. laboratories.
While attending the PLA’s First Military Medical University, Shuwen Liu and Shibo Jiang together published an article on the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in 1986.
After obtaining his position with the Kimball Research Institute in 1990, Shibo Jiang maintained his relationship with the First Military Medical University of the PLA in Guangzhou.
By 2002, Shuwen Liu had joined Shibo Jiang at the Kimball Research Institute, while continuing his affiliation with the First Military Medical University.
Also in 2002, Shibo Jiang was collaborating with the PLA scientists at the Department of Microbiology of the Fourth Military Medical University in Xi’an.
The onset of the first severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) coronavirus pandemic in 2002 caused a major shift in the virus research activities of the PLA and the activities of Shibo Jiang and his Chinese colleagues working in U.S. laboratories.
Prior to the outbreak, the PLA largely considered coronavirus a veterinary disease, particularly in working dogs.
Afterward, the PLA would play a major role in human coronavirus research.
That effort was centered around two Chinese military research centers, the State Key Laboratory of Pathogen and Biosecurity, Beijing Institute of Microbiology and Epidemiology, and the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing, and hospitals and research institutes under the Nanjing Military Command, in particular, the Third Military Medical University in Chongqing.

Three key players, who would eventually be involved in the COVID-19 saga, came from elements of the PLA’s Nanjing Military Command.
They were Yusen Zhou, Guangyu Zhao, and Yuzhang Wu.
Yusen Zhou and Guangyu Zhao would become long-time research collaborators of Shibo Jiang, Yusen Zhou would become the Director of the State Key Laboratory of Pathogen and Biosecurity of the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing.
Two scientists from Yusen Zhou’s military institute would work in Shibo Jiang’s U.S. laboratory.

The first was Yuxian He, who initially followed Shibo Jiang to Rockefeller University and then to his laboratory at the Lindsley F. Kimball Research Institute.
The second was Lanying Du, allegedly Yusen Zhou’s wife, who is still an employee at the Lindsley F. Kimball Research Institute in New York and recently received a 5-year grant totally $4.1 million awarded by Dr. Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
Yuzhang Wu became Director of the Institute of Immunology at the Third Military Medical University in Chongqing.
Chinese whistleblower Dr. Li-Meng Yan claims that the COVID-19 virus originated in laboratories overseen by China’s PLA, using bat coronaviruses ZC45 and/or ZXC21 collected from Zhoushan, China, then characterized and genetically engineered under the supervision of the Third Military Medical University in Chongqing and the Research Institute for Medicine of the PLA Nanjing Military Command.

After the onset of the 2002 SARS pandemic, Shibo Jiang shifted his research focus from HIV to coronavirus, greatly expanded his work with PLA research institutes, including the Nanjing Military Command, and began building his connections with other U.S. virus laboratories, some of which would play roles in the research leading up to the COVID-19 pandemic, namely:

• Laboratory of Infectious Diseases and Vaccine Research Center of Dr. Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases;
• Dr. Ralph Baric’s Department of Epidemiology at University of North Carolina, a laboratory known for its “gain of function” research on coronaviruses;
• Virology Division, United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases, Fort Detrick, MD;
• Departments of Microbiology and Immunology, University of Texas Medical Branch (UTMB), Galveston, Texas.

In 2015, Shobo Jiang was part of a joint project linking the University of North Carolina, the University of Minnesota, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology on the subject of bat-to-human coronavirus transmission.
From 2012 to 2020, Shibo Jiang published 12 scientific articles with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Between 2013 and 2020 he published 11 articles with UTMB, home of the Department of Defense-funded Center for Biodefense and Emerging Infectious Diseases, which houses a BL-4 high containment facility for viral research and has long been an infiltration target of the Chinese military.
UTMB now has permanent faculty members, who came from Chinese military medical universities.
Today there is virtually nothing happening in U.S. virus research laboratories about which China’s military is not intimately aware.

What is described in this article is only the tip of the iceberg. To be continued.

 

[Gry]

Trump says to get vaccinated...

On Tuesday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Fox News Primetime,” President Donald Trump said the coronavirus vaccine is “a great vaccine, it’s a safe vaccine, and it’s something that works” and is “really saving our country, and it’s saving, frankly, the world.”

Trump said, “Fortunately, in my administration, and through what I did, frankly, and others, but what I did with the FDA is I forced them to move quickly and we got the vaccine done in nine months instead of five years. … But we got a vaccine done in nine months, and, fortunately, that’s not only going to save our country, it’s going to save the world.”

He later added, “It works incredibly well, 95%, maybe even more than that. It works incredibly well. And it’s really saving our country, and it’s saving, frankly, the world.”

Host Maria Bartiromo then asked, “Would you recommend to our audience that they get the vaccine, then?”

Trump responded, “I would. I would recommend it. And I would recommend it to a lot of people that don’t want to get it. And a lot of those people voted for me, frankly. But, again, we have our freedoms and we have to live by that, and I agree with that also. But it’s a great vaccine, it’s a safe vaccine, and it’s something that works.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/202...accine-its-a-safe-vaccine-and-i-recommend-it/

It was something that worked, quite unlike his administration.