Controlling nitrogen (N) with general-purpose coco A+B nutes

[clowntown]

 

[Guest]

The only way I can think of would be using the nute calculator to mix difference ratios of the A+B, otherwise your going to have to buy additional supplements.

 

[Guest]

You always have to use A & B in equal amounts.

What I would do is feed less with A & B and more with PK 13-14, and towards the end of flower dont even use A & B, just use PK 13-14. To get your micros back mix in some tap water or use a product like CalMag or SensiCal. This is what I am planning atleast.

If you read Canna's Coco tips they make the PK 13-14 specifically for this purpose. Thats why they don't make a veg and flower formula. Its a little weird but I am going to give it a try with my first coco run... I've heard a lot of good things on this forum and people have nice looking buds!

 

[Gangsta Lean]

i coulda sworn i read that mojo gave his plants less a and more b along with PK
but i feel u ct this is one of th reasons im not going to use canna a & b
because u have to mix @ even ratios well at least thats what they tell u

 

[Guest]

You always have to use A & B in equal amounts.

Says who? Don't say the company...

 

[Guest]

In their coco tips canna says to use them in equal amounts

I don't see a problem with my idea... cannabis doesn't need any nitrogen during late flowering, so during flowering you can slowly decrease your A & B and increase your PK13/14... and eventually stop feeding with A & B towards late flowering, and you can give it micro's and trace's by feeding with CalMag, SensiCal, or Tap Water.

And they may not have a veg and flower formula but their A & B will work fine for veg, and you can basically make your own customized flower formula using A & B, and PK 13/14 together... I would think people would like that better, you can customize your formula easier right? Isnt that what we want?

 

[Gangsta Lean]

Says who? Don't say the company...

lmfao, damn

 

[Guest]

In their coco tips canna says to use them in equal amounts

I don't see a problem with my idea... cannabis doesn't need any nitrogen during late flowering, so during flowering you can slowly decrease your A & B and increase your PK13/14... and eventually stop feeding with A & B towards late flowering, and you can give it micro's and trace's by feeding with CalMag, SensiCal, or Tap Water.

And they may not have a veg and flower formula but their A & B will work fine for veg, and you can basically make your own customized flower formula using A & B, and PK 13/14 together... I would think people would like that better, you can customize your formula easier right? Isnt that what we want?

Im just busting your balls What you can do is play with the nute calculator, and plug in the A, B, PK13/14 and see what kind of numbers you come up with..

but if your talking about making things easier, why not just eliminate the PK all together and just stick with A+B?

 

[Guest]

Im just busting your balls What you can do is play with the nute calculator, and plug in the A, B, PK13/14 and see what kind of numbers you come up with..

but if your talking about making things easier, why not just eliminate the PK all together and just stick with A+B?

Im not sure, whats the differences between a and b? I was just going by what canna says and they say to use a and b in equal amounts and add pk1314 if you need a PK boost.

 

[Gangsta Lean]

my new best friend

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm

Coco A NPK Formula: 4-0-1
Coco B NPK Formula: 0-4-2

 

[knna]

The problem is Canna dont provide the composition of A and B separately, but of the mix of both at equal amounts. No way of calculating anything.

Aditionally, we dont know how they mix and the percentage of each salt used in A and B. If they provide N mainly in the form of Calcium Nitrate, then lowering the B amount in the mix should lower the N content (and Ca, too). But we dont know in they add other N compound in the A bottle, although i think so.

The only way ive found to lower the N content is lowering the A+B dosage as flowering advances, and increasing PK. But PK is very strong, adding too much give more problems than anything, and reducing too much the A+B may lead to some deff. Im working from long ago on this issue and i havent found any good solution. Finally, im going to do my own nutes mix, i believe is the only way to have it tuned as i like.

What ive found in my experience is that is better using the coco nutes as reccomended by manufacturers, although it produces plants very green at harvest and requiring a decent curing until getting the best taste.

 

[Gangsta Lean]

yea thats what i was thinking using the PK more so than the main nutes will cause problems. imo i wouldnt go that route

 

[knna]

Oh sorry, i didnt read last Gangsta Lean post.

Where you get the CannaCoco A and B ratios? It isnt in the link you posted. I searched for it long time. I read often the cannastats page and ive never seen the canna coco A and B composition. It would be neccesary know how micros are split in order to do a good nute regime based on diferential A+B amounts.

 

[Gangsta Lean]

hxxp://www.plantitearth.com/store/product.asp?pid=461&catid=2

also

stonedm-i'm not sure about your Q's but guessing that coarser coco may drain quicker-some people add other stuff to their coco and lots use it on its own

guys-i'm wondering about all the diff coir nutes that you can get and thought it might be interesting to compare the npk numbers because they are all different. I got a few to be going on with and will add more as i get them. Where there is a part a and b i've just added them together to give the final figure assuming this to be the right thing to do. apologies if this has been done before i searched but didnt find anything

coco NPK

Canna COGr Vega A: 3-0-0
B: 2-2-4
=: 5-2-4
COGr Flores A: 3-0-5
B: 0-3-2
=: 3-3-7
Canna Coco A: 4-0-1
B: 0-4-2
=: 4-4-3
Atami Coco Nutrition
A: 6-0-6
B: 1-5-6
=: 7-5-12
Hesi Coco: 8-6-10

 

[Guest]

Well can you use the A & B in different amounts or not?

For late flowering, lowering the amount of A & B and raising the PK13-14 could cause deficiencies from no A & B in the mix but couldn't you just add something like CalMag to get rid of the deficiencies? I mean it isn't going to have a N deficiency late in flowering... if anything it'll be a micro/trace which CalMag can solve, right?

 

[clowntown]

Botanicare's Cal-Mag+ contains N as well. My bottle, the one with "NOW WITH TRACE MINERALS" labeling, has a 2-0-0 NPK and the guaranteed minimum analysis reads:

Total Nitrogen (N)...............2.0%
..............1.94% Nitrate Nitrogen
..............0.06% Water Soluble Organic Nitrogen
Calcium (Ca)......................3.2%
Magnesium (Mg)..................1.2%
Iron (Fe)............................0.1%
..............0.1% Chelated Iron

Derived from: Calcium nitrate, magnesium nitrate, and iron edta.

By the way: There are a few threads floating around about how Botanicare's Cal-Mag+ is actually 3x the labeled strength, or something....

 

[Guest]

Soo are you saying there's too much N in Cal-Mag to use in late flowering? Sigh what to do, what to do

 

[Neptune]

good post clowntown,

I can't answer your question, but I will say this is a good reason why I like the General Hydroponics 3 part. And also why I like Pure Blend Pro Bloom... it is low on Nitrogen right out of the bottle and you can control your N with the Cal Mag + product you have already refrenced.

I am finding a good recipie is:
PBP 10ml/gal Calmag+ 3ml/gal

PPM comes out at around 700 @.5, with a PH around 5.8.
I don't really want to go any higher than this in coco, as the nutrients tend to pile up a bit -- like rockwool.

 

[Guest]

Well Im still thinking about using canna coco a & b, and when I hit flowering slowly use less and less of it, and more pk 13-14. Instead of the cal-mag I am thinking AN Sensi Cal and EJ MicroBlast, just need to find out if they have any NPK.

Also going to try cannazym, rhizotonic, Liquid Karma, and i believe thats it for now, anyone know anything on sensical or microblast?

 

[Gangsta Lean]

the sensical is 2-0-0 hxxtp://advancednutrientsdirect.com/SensiCalGrow_label.asp
the micro blast is 0-0-0