Controlling nitrogen (N) with general-purpose coco A+B nutes
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The only way I can think of would be using the nute calculator to mix difference ratios of the A+B, otherwise your going to have to buy additional supplements.
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You always have to use A & B in equal amounts.
What I would do is feed less with A & B and more with PK 13-14, and towards the end of flower dont even use A & B, just use PK 13-14. To get your micros back mix in some tap water or use a product like CalMag or SensiCal. This is what I am planning atleast.
If you read Canna's Coco tips they make the PK 13-14 specifically for this purpose. Thats why they don't make a veg and flower formula. Its a little weird but I am going to give it a try with my first coco run... I've heard a lot of good things on this forum and people have nice looking buds!
What I would do is feed less with A & B and more with PK 13-14, and towards the end of flower dont even use A & B, just use PK 13-14. To get your micros back mix in some tap water or use a product like CalMag or SensiCal. This is what I am planning atleast.
If you read Canna's Coco tips they make the PK 13-14 specifically for this purpose. Thats why they don't make a veg and flower formula. Its a little weird but I am going to give it a try with my first coco run... I've heard a lot of good things on this forum and people have nice looking buds!
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Gangsta Lean
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i coulda sworn i read that mojo gave his plants less a and more b along with PK
but i feel u ct this is one of th reasons im not going to use canna a & b
because u have to mix @ even ratios well at least thats what they tell u
but i feel u ct this is one of th reasons im not going to use canna a & b
because u have to mix @ even ratios well at least thats what they tell u
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smelltheflowers said:
Says who? Don't say the company...
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In their coco tips canna says to use them in equal amounts
I don't see a problem with my idea... cannabis doesn't need any nitrogen during late flowering, so during flowering you can slowly decrease your A & B and increase your PK13/14... and eventually stop feeding with A & B towards late flowering, and you can give it micro's and trace's by feeding with CalMag, SensiCal, or Tap Water.
And they may not have a veg and flower formula but their A & B will work fine for veg, and you can basically make your own customized flower formula using A & B, and PK 13/14 together... I would think people would like that better, you can customize your formula easier right? Isnt that what we want?
I don't see a problem with my idea... cannabis doesn't need any nitrogen during late flowering, so during flowering you can slowly decrease your A & B and increase your PK13/14... and eventually stop feeding with A & B towards late flowering, and you can give it micro's and trace's by feeding with CalMag, SensiCal, or Tap Water.
And they may not have a veg and flower formula but their A & B will work fine for veg, and you can basically make your own customized flower formula using A & B, and PK 13/14 together... I would think people would like that better, you can customize your formula easier right? Isnt that what we want?
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Indica Sativa said:
lmfao, damn
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smelltheflowers said:
Im just busting your balls
What you can do is play with the nute calculator, and plug in the A, B, PK13/14 and see what kind of numbers you come up with..but if your talking about making things easier, why not just eliminate the PK all together and just stick with A+B?
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Indica Sativa said:Im just busting your balls
but if your talking about making things easier, why not just eliminate the PK all together and just stick with A+B?
Im not sure, whats the differences between a and b? I was just going by what canna says and they say to use a and b in equal amounts and add pk1314 if you need a PK boost.
Gangsta Lean
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my new best friend
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm
Coco A NPK Formula: 4-0-1
Coco B NPK Formula: 0-4-2
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm
Coco A NPK Formula: 4-0-1
Coco B NPK Formula: 0-4-2
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knna
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The problem is Canna dont provide the composition of A and B separately, but of the mix of both at equal amounts. No way of calculating anything.
Aditionally, we dont know how they mix and the percentage of each salt used in A and B. If they provide N mainly in the form of Calcium Nitrate, then lowering the B amount in the mix should lower the N content (and Ca, too). But we dont know in they add other N compound in the A bottle, although i think so.
The only way ive found to lower the N content is lowering the A+B dosage as flowering advances, and increasing PK. But PK is very strong, adding too much give more problems than anything, and reducing too much the A+B may lead to some deff. Im working from long ago on this issue and i havent found any good solution. Finally, im going to do my own nutes mix, i believe is the only way to have it tuned as i like.
What ive found in my experience is that is better using the coco nutes as reccomended by manufacturers, although it produces plants very green at harvest and requiring a decent curing until getting the best taste.
Aditionally, we dont know how they mix and the percentage of each salt used in A and B. If they provide N mainly in the form of Calcium Nitrate, then lowering the B amount in the mix should lower the N content (and Ca, too). But we dont know in they add other N compound in the A bottle, although i think so.
The only way ive found to lower the N content is lowering the A+B dosage as flowering advances, and increasing PK. But PK is very strong, adding too much give more problems than anything, and reducing too much the A+B may lead to some deff. Im working from long ago on this issue and i havent found any good solution. Finally, im going to do my own nutes mix, i believe is the only way to have it tuned as i like.
What ive found in my experience is that is better using the coco nutes as reccomended by manufacturers, although it produces plants very green at harvest and requiring a decent curing until getting the best taste.
Gangsta Lean
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yea thats what i was thinking using the PK more so than the main nutes will cause problems. imo i wouldnt go that route
knna
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Oh sorry, i didnt read last Gangsta Lean post.
Where you get the CannaCoco A and B ratios? It isnt in the link you posted. I searched for it long time. I read often the cannastats page and ive never seen the canna coco A and B composition. It would be neccesary know how micros are split in order to do a good nute regime based on diferential A+B amounts.
Where you get the CannaCoco A and B ratios? It isnt in the link you posted. I searched for it long time. I read often the cannastats page and ive never seen the canna coco A and B composition. It would be neccesary know how micros are split in order to do a good nute regime based on diferential A+B amounts.
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hxxp://www.plantitearth.com/store/product.asp?pid=461&catid=2
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Well can you use the A & B in different amounts or not?
For late flowering, lowering the amount of A & B and raising the PK13-14 could cause deficiencies from no A & B in the mix but couldn't you just add something like CalMag to get rid of the deficiencies? I mean it isn't going to have a N deficiency late in flowering... if anything it'll be a micro/trace which CalMag can solve, right?
For late flowering, lowering the amount of A & B and raising the PK13-14 could cause deficiencies from no A & B in the mix but couldn't you just add something like CalMag to get rid of the deficiencies? I mean it isn't going to have a N deficiency late in flowering... if anything it'll be a micro/trace which CalMag can solve, right?
Botanicare's Cal-Mag+ contains N as well. My bottle, the one with "NOW WITH TRACE MINERALS" labeling, has a 2-0-0 NPK and the guaranteed minimum analysis reads:
By the way: There are a few threads floating around about how Botanicare's Cal-Mag+ is actually 3x the labeled strength, or something....
By the way: There are a few threads floating around about how Botanicare's Cal-Mag+ is actually 3x the labeled strength, or something....
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Soo are you saying there's too much N in Cal-Mag to use in late flowering? Sigh what to do, what to do
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good post clowntown,
I can't answer your question, but I will say this is a good reason why I like the General Hydroponics 3 part. And also why I like Pure Blend Pro Bloom... it is low on Nitrogen right out of the bottle and you can control your N with the Cal Mag + product you have already refrenced.
I am finding a good recipie is:
PBP 10ml/gal Calmag+ 3ml/gal
PPM comes out at around 700 @.5, with a PH around 5.8.
I don't really want to go any higher than this in coco, as the nutrients tend to pile up a bit -- like rockwool.
I can't answer your question, but I will say this is a good reason why I like the General Hydroponics 3 part. And also why I like Pure Blend Pro Bloom... it is low on Nitrogen right out of the bottle and you can control your N with the Cal Mag + product you have already refrenced.
I am finding a good recipie is:
PBP 10ml/gal Calmag+ 3ml/gal
PPM comes out at around 700 @.5, with a PH around 5.8.
I don't really want to go any higher than this in coco, as the nutrients tend to pile up a bit -- like rockwool.
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Well Im still thinking about using canna coco a & b, and when I hit flowering slowly use less and less of it, and more pk 13-14. Instead of the cal-mag I am thinking AN Sensi Cal and EJ MicroBlast, just need to find out if they have any NPK.
Also going to try cannazym, rhizotonic, Liquid Karma, and i believe thats it for now, anyone know anything on sensical or microblast?
Also going to try cannazym, rhizotonic, Liquid Karma, and i believe thats it for now, anyone know anything on sensical or microblast?
Gangsta Lean
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the sensical is 2-0-0 hxxtp://advancednutrientsdirect.com/SensiCalGrow_label.asp
the micro blast is 0-0-0
the micro blast is 0-0-0
