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If I dont fall asleep early tonight, Ill snap some photos of the colorful H.Skunk x Rom girl.
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Thanks a bunch Dr. King. Always appreciate the kind words.
If I dont fall asleep early tonight, Ill snap some photos of the colorful H.Skunk x Rom girl.
Alright, I brought out the camera and snapped some pics of the tallest, and chunkiest of the 3 H. Skunk Rom Sisters. Camera went dead before I could get any macro shots, but did manage to snap a few that will show her progression. I think this girl is really close to being harvest ready. Probably take her down in a week. Which I think would put her around 12-12.5 weeks total, so pretty nice sprint to the finish over the last 6 weeks. I took down the Pot Roast sister a couple nights ago, well most of her. Kept the bottom 3rd of her to fatten up for awhile longer.
This lady in the pics has developed some nice purpling in the fan leaves, as the calyxes too. Hoping to see a bit more color sink into the buds over the next week or so.
This lady in the pics has developed some nice purpling in the fan leaves, as the calyxes too. Hoping to see a bit more color sink into the buds over the next week or so.
Thanks nickman! That particular plant showed off much more color than her two sisters. Looking forward to a second run with that plant.
I snapped some photos of the 3rd sister last night. She came down last night, but could probably have used another week. Just too many nanners springing up on her. She's got a nice form and structure, too bad about the intersex issues. Ill still give her a second run though just in case. This girl has stayed green the entire time. No signs of purple, reds, blues in her. Not even a touch of purple in the buds.
The main cola of this girl has become a mess of foxtails. This occurred when I removed a nanner at the very top of the plants main cola. I ended up taking out a bit more than just the nanner. I took out the very apex of the bud, which has lead to foxtails going in every direction rather than having a spear shaped bud. Ive done this accidentally another time before. It does provide an interesting look to the head of the main cola though. Looks like she might put out a decent yield compared to the first sister I harvested. The first sister gave me only a quarter of buds from the upper half I took down.
Took these photos in the closet where I have a small overhead light. Really need to work on my lighting more. I think these came out better than the last girl.
Some macro shots of another H.Skunk x Romulan by Classic Seeds
She was taken down around 14 weeks or so, but could have come down 7, maybe upwards of 14 days earlier. I like to let them go longer the first time around, and see more of what the plant can do. Will be taking the clones at around 12 weeks flowering next run. Maybe it'll be ready a hair sooner.
She was taken down around 14 weeks or so, but could have come down 7, maybe upwards of 14 days earlier. I like to let them go longer the first time around, and see more of what the plant can do. Will be taking the clones at around 12 weeks flowering next run. Maybe it'll be ready a hair sooner.
Random update dump???
So here's whats new in the garden gang.
Im beginning to transition away from HID/T5's into LEDS now. Its a whole new world now, and Im getting a quick and tough education on whats good and whats not, but it'll all be for the best.
I hoodwinked myself into buying a 56w LED lightbar from Thrive Agritech, only to discover a day or two later that they're products are just rebranded Chinese LED's. But for nearly 3-6x the cost. Wow what a bargain! Good thing I can return the fixture within 90 days no questions asked.
Ive since ordered a HLG 65w LED Fixture. This fixture was half the cost of the 56w Thrive LED bar, and I expect it will perform just as good if not better. Soon Ill have an Apogee MQ-500 Full Spectrum Meter to test the two out. If I like how the HLG performs, Ill be looking to pick up more of their offerings, but will look at various other manufacturers and see whats available. Ill be a bit slower on plopping money down on any more fixtures and will research each fixture a bit more before buying.
Will get some pics up soon of the LED bar, and the HLG fixture.
Got myself a nice Propagation Dome recently too. Its kinda pricey, but the build is high quality. I expect it to have a long lifetime. I used to use dixie cups on top of dixie cups for small individual domes, but the lids fall off so easily, and its kind of a hassle. Now I can start all my seeds under one dome, along side my cuttings. Life is simpler now. Im also doing water cloning for my cuttings now. Looking to try something a lil different after seeing how well some Male tops rooted while I was collecting pollen from them(just stuck the male tops in some cups of water for several weeks). No more needing to keep the media moist while they root. Just stick em in cups of water, and wait. Ill try this out using Dynagrow KLN rooting solution soon and compare to plain water. The KLN solution usually gives me roots 2-3 days earlier when I was cloning directly in Promix media.
Ive already got some seeds started in that dome now too. Started 9 Merry Widow(White Widow x Berry Indica) by Classic Seeds. 10 DPF2, 6 DP???(Random DP cross I believe), and 6 DPxThai Stick A.
Plan is to work through the remaining DPF2 to find several quality plants to make the F3 with. I should be able to get all the remaining seeds started this year I think, and maybe by spring/summer of next year Ill be making F3's.
While Im working through the DP, Ill be running through the remaining DPxTSA seeds I have so I can make an F2. Will produce alot more seeds this time around. Looking forward to seeing what springs up in those F2's. Thats where the fun really begins, imo. So many options.
Also, Ill be working through my collection of Classics lines as the germ numbers are getting lower and lower on these seeds. About a decade old for most of them now I think. Will make F2's with each line I run, so I can back them up and really explore them further someday for the lines that really stick out to me.
Will do another random dump soon regarding whats vegging, and whats about to be flowered, or already is flowering. So much work to be done in the garden right now.
So here's whats new in the garden gang.
Im beginning to transition away from HID/T5's into LEDS now. Its a whole new world now, and Im getting a quick and tough education on whats good and whats not, but it'll all be for the best.
I hoodwinked myself into buying a 56w LED lightbar from Thrive Agritech, only to discover a day or two later that they're products are just rebranded Chinese LED's. But for nearly 3-6x the cost. Wow what a bargain! Good thing I can return the fixture within 90 days no questions asked.
Ive since ordered a HLG 65w LED Fixture. This fixture was half the cost of the 56w Thrive LED bar, and I expect it will perform just as good if not better. Soon Ill have an Apogee MQ-500 Full Spectrum Meter to test the two out. If I like how the HLG performs, Ill be looking to pick up more of their offerings, but will look at various other manufacturers and see whats available. Ill be a bit slower on plopping money down on any more fixtures and will research each fixture a bit more before buying.
Will get some pics up soon of the LED bar, and the HLG fixture.
Got myself a nice Propagation Dome recently too. Its kinda pricey, but the build is high quality. I expect it to have a long lifetime. I used to use dixie cups on top of dixie cups for small individual domes, but the lids fall off so easily, and its kind of a hassle. Now I can start all my seeds under one dome, along side my cuttings. Life is simpler now. Im also doing water cloning for my cuttings now. Looking to try something a lil different after seeing how well some Male tops rooted while I was collecting pollen from them(just stuck the male tops in some cups of water for several weeks). No more needing to keep the media moist while they root. Just stick em in cups of water, and wait. Ill try this out using Dynagrow KLN rooting solution soon and compare to plain water. The KLN solution usually gives me roots 2-3 days earlier when I was cloning directly in Promix media.
Ive already got some seeds started in that dome now too. Started 9 Merry Widow(White Widow x Berry Indica) by Classic Seeds. 10 DPF2, 6 DP???(Random DP cross I believe), and 6 DPxThai Stick A.
Plan is to work through the remaining DPF2 to find several quality plants to make the F3 with. I should be able to get all the remaining seeds started this year I think, and maybe by spring/summer of next year Ill be making F3's.
While Im working through the DP, Ill be running through the remaining DPxTSA seeds I have so I can make an F2. Will produce alot more seeds this time around. Looking forward to seeing what springs up in those F2's. Thats where the fun really begins, imo. So many options.
Also, Ill be working through my collection of Classics lines as the germ numbers are getting lower and lower on these seeds. About a decade old for most of them now I think. Will make F2's with each line I run, so I can back them up and really explore them further someday for the lines that really stick out to me.
Will do another random dump soon regarding whats vegging, and whats about to be flowered, or already is flowering. So much work to be done in the garden right now.
That’s too bad about the LED being from China...
shit, what isn’t from China today???
That’s. A nice dome and all...
I’ve rooted cuts in water before,a l9ng time ago...
Now whenever I try to do it after about a week or so a whiteish film starts to build up on the bottoms of the cuts... so I’ll just trash them...
I’ve got a few in water now... do u put yours right under the light or off to the side somewhere...?...
I heard that the roots don’t like the light... don’t know if that’s true or not though...
Maybe a lil peroxide in the water will help with the slime ...
shit, what isn’t from China today???
That’s. A nice dome and all...
I’ve rooted cuts in water before,a l9ng time ago...
Now whenever I try to do it after about a week or so a whiteish film starts to build up on the bottoms of the cuts... so I’ll just trash them...
I’ve got a few in water now... do u put yours right under the light or off to the side somewhere...?...
I heard that the roots don’t like the light... don’t know if that’s true or not though...
Maybe a lil peroxide in the water will help with the slime ...
China...yep they've conquered the world through their cheaply made shit. 
Just glad I can return it. Will probably get 2 more of the 65w HLG fixtures when I return the rebrand. Ill be getting my Apogee Par meter tonight, so Im looking forward to comparing the two.
Ive not seen any whitish film build up on the bottom of cups. Do you use RO/DI water or tapwater? RO/DI is what I use. I didn't use any peroxide or bleach to keep the nasties at bay. Perhaps it might be a good idea to use some just in case. The tops were off to the outer edge of the footprint of the light. I believe we need around 75-150 PPF for cuttings. Too much light, and I end up with leaves yellowing, and delayed rooting. Ill be able to better see what amount of light the cuttings need with the Par meter. Ill update on that when they begin to root.
The tops that rooted didn't mind that the roots were exposed to light, but thats hardly scientific. I think you've given me an idea for a test. I plan on trying out the Passive Hydro Kratky method soon. I can use some clear containers, and some opaque container for a comparison. We'll see how well they do.
Just glad I can return it. Will probably get 2 more of the 65w HLG fixtures when I return the rebrand. Ill be getting my Apogee Par meter tonight, so Im looking forward to comparing the two. Ive not seen any whitish film build up on the bottom of cups. Do you use RO/DI water or tapwater? RO/DI is what I use. I didn't use any peroxide or bleach to keep the nasties at bay. Perhaps it might be a good idea to use some just in case. The tops were off to the outer edge of the footprint of the light. I believe we need around 75-150 PPF for cuttings. Too much light, and I end up with leaves yellowing, and delayed rooting. Ill be able to better see what amount of light the cuttings need with the Par meter. Ill update on that when they begin to root.
The tops that rooted didn't mind that the roots were exposed to light, but thats hardly scientific. I think you've given me an idea for a test. I plan on trying out the Passive Hydro Kratky method soon. I can use some clear containers, and some opaque container for a comparison. We'll see how well they do.
I got to use my Apogee MQ-500 last night for the first time. I tested out the PAR output of the Thrive Agritech 56w LED bar at 9" & 15" and the HLG 65w fixture at the same height.
The LED Bar's results at 9" & 15" was exactly as their website said it'd be. At 9" I was getting 200 µmol/m2/s. At 15" I was getting 100 µmol/m2/s. Hey at least the numbers I got matched the numbers their website, so I thought maybe that's a good sign. And then I tested the HLG, and it fucking blew the LED bar out the water. Granted the LED bar is 9 watts less, and the bar has a waterproof/crushproof enclosure around the leds, so It'd probably crank out a lil more if I did take off the guard, but I didn't want to void my warranty.
For the HLG at 9" I was getting 600 µmol/m2/s! Thats 3x the LED bar! At 15" I was getting 300 µmol/m2/s. This fixture at 15" is pumping out more light than the LED bar could at 9"!
The only gripe I have with the HLG fixture its a pain in the ass to hang, at least for small spaces(2ftW x 5ftL). (Working with limited height on these shelves too). The metal hangers it uses are not adjustable, just fixed length, resulting in the LED fixture hanging way too close to the seedlings and cuttings. It also wanted to turn the wrong way resulting in my lights footprint not lining up with my shelves dimensions. While the LED bar has adjustable metal hangers. The LED bar is super easy to install, and its footprint was better suited for the area Im lighting. The HLG fought me the whole time I was trying to line it up correctly. I eventually just removed the metal hangers, and used a zip tie, but even then that's not ideal. Ill probably end up using these HLG fixtures in a veg tent, and look for a different brand of LED bar that's better quality for my shelves.
Gonna play around with the CMH lights and the PAR meter tonight.
Okay, well I figured out my problem with hanging the lights. They only include one carabiner with this fixture, when really it should be 2. Im using a simple S hook in place of a second carabiner right now, and the light lines up perfectly no problem.
The LED Bar's results at 9" & 15" was exactly as their website said it'd be. At 9" I was getting 200 µmol/m2/s. At 15" I was getting 100 µmol/m2/s. Hey at least the numbers I got matched the numbers their website, so I thought maybe that's a good sign. And then I tested the HLG, and it fucking blew the LED bar out the water. Granted the LED bar is 9 watts less, and the bar has a waterproof/crushproof enclosure around the leds, so It'd probably crank out a lil more if I did take off the guard, but I didn't want to void my warranty.
For the HLG at 9" I was getting 600 µmol/m2/s! Thats 3x the LED bar! At 15" I was getting 300 µmol/m2/s. This fixture at 15" is pumping out more light than the LED bar could at 9"!
The only gripe I have with the HLG fixture its a pain in the ass to hang, at least for small spaces(2ftW x 5ftL). (Working with limited height on these shelves too). The metal hangers it uses are not adjustable, just fixed length, resulting in the LED fixture hanging way too close to the seedlings and cuttings. It also wanted to turn the wrong way resulting in my lights footprint not lining up with my shelves dimensions. While the LED bar has adjustable metal hangers. The LED bar is super easy to install, and its footprint was better suited for the area Im lighting. The HLG fought me the whole time I was trying to line it up correctly. I eventually just removed the metal hangers, and used a zip tie, but even then that's not ideal. Ill probably end up using these HLG fixtures in a veg tent, and look for a different brand of LED bar that's better quality for my shelves.
Gonna play around with the CMH lights and the PAR meter tonight.
Okay, well I figured out my problem with hanging the lights. They only include one carabiner with this fixture, when really it should be 2. Im using a simple S hook in place of a second carabiner right now, and the light lines up perfectly no problem.
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Miss those Thais Mr. Coulier.
Miss those Thais Mr. Coulier.
Hi Dave,
This thread is incredible. Hats off to you sir!
First - the DP's were so beautiful. Ooh la la. Second - you knocked it out of the park with some incredibly scrumptious Thais. Sexy sexy! Then those DP x Thais...my goodness. And it goes on!
I do miss those tall, near zero leaf, spears. Are you finished with those GN Thai stick genetics or will you show more? You did those 20+ weekers in a way that was astounding. made everyone humble and salivating.
Cheers
F2F
Miss those Thais Mr. Coulier.
Hi Dave,
This thread is incredible. Hats off to you sir!
First - the DP's were so beautiful. Ooh la la. Second - you knocked it out of the park with some incredibly scrumptious Thais. Sexy sexy! Then those DP x Thais...my goodness. And it goes on!
I do miss those tall, near zero leaf, spears. Are you finished with those GN Thai stick genetics or will you show more? You did those 20+ weekers in a way that was astounding. made everyone humble and salivating.
Cheers
F2F
Well I ran into issues with my return on the Thrive Agritech LED Bar. The 90 day return window has conditions of course. It all depends on the return policy of the manufacturer of the LED fixture, and guess what Thrive doesn't allow returns, so Im stuck with the fixture. In the future, any brand that doesn't allow returns will be on my immediate blacklist. I think the best usage for the bar will be for propogation of cuttings/germing seeds. Will get it remounted and put the seeds/seedlings under it for now. Ill leave the cuttings underneath the 65w HLG fixture. Ive got the temps/rh dialed in well under the dome, with a PPF of around 115-120, and a DLI of 6.91 (18/6 light schedule). A DLI of 5-6 works well for fresh cuttings & the callous stage. We can start to bump it up to 8-12 DLI once roots appear. Im expecting even better rooting results now that I have the PAR meter and can actually know how much light Im giving my plants now. Will snap a few pics of the HLG setup with cuttings underneath it tonight.
Thanks for the ovelry kind words F2F.
Im glad you've enjoyed the thread. Its a long haul for sure, but some decent nuggets of wisdom sprinkled throughout, and plenty of plant porn to enjoy.
Ive still got one GN Thai mother left in the garden. Would been two but I tried to take a cutting too late in flower for one mom(TSA), and the cutting rooted, but never would reveg. Thankfully I still have her genetics in a DPxTSA cross. Im sure you've seen some pics of that cross in here before. Very very colorful with great calyx to leaf ratio. Actually started 6 seeds of her recently, and I believe I have 4 above ground so far. Hoping for the remaining two, so you'll get to see some more DPxThai plants before too long.
Back to the pure Thai though. Im flowering out my lone mom TSG right now, but she's having some issues with the CMH lights.(She's sandwiched between two of them because she's too tall to go under one, but the lowers on the side near the Vivosun fixture looks like shit after a week. Looks bleached, and chlorotic. Theres something off about that Vivosun fixture. No plants under it have ever done well unless they're really far away. Plants under the generic Chinese CMH fixture tend to do much better, but they both have entirely different reflectors. The Chinese one has dimpled aluminum reflector, while the Vivosun one does as well, but on top of the dimpled reflector its got a smooth polished metal reflector over it. Pic below illustrates what I mean. It appears white in the photo, but its not actually white.
Im gonna need to buy some LED's to put the Thai under. She doesn't like the Vivosun CMH, and she's too tall anyways, but I can mount an LED fixture above her and still have enough headspace to work with.
Gonna make S1's with her on this run too as long as I can get the lighting figured out. I know someday Ill lose her, but having backup seeds of her will help mitigate that problem. I dont have any male Thais from the GN line to pair her with sadly. Instead someday Ill cross her to a good PNG male and see what comes of that. Too many seeds to start in the meantime.
Ill snap some pics of TSG once I get her back on track. She's still quite early in flowering, only about 2 weeks, so Ive got a bit of time to right this ship.
F2F
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Good to hear of your plans Dave. And def looking forward to the grow out.
I'm collecting lots of Thai hybrid genetics these days. If you've any recommendations on pure Thai sources to add to the vault I'd be all ears!
Now, back to my popcorn and couch where I watch this plant porn continue hehe.
Best
F2F
I'm collecting lots of Thai hybrid genetics these days. If you've any recommendations on pure Thai sources to add to the vault I'd be all ears!
Now, back to my popcorn and couch where I watch this plant porn continue hehe.
Best
F2F
I imagine Ace has some pure Thai they offer?? There are probably other offerings out there that Im not aware of as well. Just got to search around and hope what you're getting is what it says it is.
If you want something similar to Thai, maybe look into Gypsys Luang Prabang Lao Sativa. I think they may still be available on Paniks seedsite https://www.realgorillaseeds.com/
F2F
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No pure Thai in the Ace lineup. That Lao is interesting and I'll check it out. Thanks sir.
Cheers
F2F
Luang prabang is still available but buy several packs at least if you want to work with more than a few plants. Germination on these is at about 15% and about a third of these never grow past cotyledons.
Out of 40 seeds recently started i have 2 healthy seedlings, and 5 hopeful helmet heads and other slow growers.
