Look, I don't think anyone is stupid, but I'll try to explain as simply as possible.
1. OF COURSE the proper amount of veg time is going to yield better than the improper amount. So for anyone who posted examples of a longer veg that yielded better than a shorter one I say congratulations. You now know how to optimize the veg part of the grow.
2. We all strive to tune our grow to the best of our abilities, whether it be lighting, nutrients, environment, etc. In the end the ONLY measure we have of our success is gpw or grams per square foot assuming lighting is optimal.
3. Adding the TIME factor:
This is the whole reason why SOG yields more over time vs tree growing. Less veg time. For the purpose of evaluating the effectiveness of a light it means nothing.
4. My original question was "has anyone broken a gpw with this CMH light"? Now yes, yes, yes, I know that because of all the different styles and strains and veg times and all of the above reasons gpw will vary greatly, BUT, it is generally believed that a gram per watt under ANY and ALL scenarios is considered a significant benchmark. Therefore IF a significant number of people report getting over a gpw we can pretty much determine that this light is doing something. Either that or someone with a dual light table stick a CMH on one side.
1. OF COURSE the proper amount of veg time is going to yield better than the improper amount. So for anyone who posted examples of a longer veg that yielded better than a shorter one I say congratulations. You now know how to optimize the veg part of the grow.
2. We all strive to tune our grow to the best of our abilities, whether it be lighting, nutrients, environment, etc. In the end the ONLY measure we have of our success is gpw or grams per square foot assuming lighting is optimal.
3. Adding the TIME factor:
This is the whole reason why SOG yields more over time vs tree growing. Less veg time. For the purpose of evaluating the effectiveness of a light it means nothing.
4. My original question was "has anyone broken a gpw with this CMH light"? Now yes, yes, yes, I know that because of all the different styles and strains and veg times and all of the above reasons gpw will vary greatly, BUT, it is generally believed that a gram per watt under ANY and ALL scenarios is considered a significant benchmark. Therefore IF a significant number of people report getting over a gpw we can pretty much determine that this light is doing something. Either that or someone with a dual light table stick a CMH on one side.
Are you sure you didn't get an MH ballast by mistake? Can you find an ANSI code? S51 is HPS. M59 is MH.
raygun said:
I'm really sorry, man. But for the first question, I haven't a clue. As for the second, I think that that is the link you use to buy the one bulb. Just make sure it is about $55-$70 per bulb (depending on wattage) is all you're paying. I don't know why they do that, but, I have seen a LOT of other retailers do the same.
Namaste, mess
simba
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Gram, i agree with you. but i would almost put watt per sq foot in there to. super short version.and ya its for internal judging (same grow area & Setup, etc)
ray gun.. adv tech doesnt sell Super HPS or HPS to the Horti Market. since they are Profit devices not Growing devices..
im sure the reason they have that page still is for the customers under the warranty.. when the last customers warranty is up im sure that page will be GONE>
id be upset if i got something and then during warranty the page was gone.. id be like what happens now.. ya know..
as far as the qty per case but no price or link.. Adv Tech is primarily a Lighting Distributor they do retail (us) aswell
100 watt cmhs put out no heat compared to a 125 watt cfl. the cfl is huge heat pump the cmh is small source extremely easy to keep cool to the TOUCH>>
GET PROTECTED
as far as funky ballasts.. HTG usto be great IMPHO. in the past year more Chinese and Issues arising.. but he will fix it im sure, hes and older cool guy...
different caps those are OK>> just the one cant be used on 408+V
sounds like the MFR doesn't care about specif actions at all.. just toss in what is in somewhat close to spec not whats actually speced..
Sorry i get pissed when i hear companies and Mfr's are screwing people out of there hard earned money..
.they should be checking and even pre burning all lighting products before shipping AdvTech does.. why wouldn't them..
sorry i have been away but checking in.. i tried to go a few pages to let it grow on its own.. so oz doesn't chime in and say im this threads lifesupport.. LOL>>
ray gun.. adv tech doesnt sell Super HPS or HPS to the Horti Market. since they are Profit devices not Growing devices..
im sure the reason they have that page still is for the customers under the warranty.. when the last customers warranty is up im sure that page will be GONE>
id be upset if i got something and then during warranty the page was gone.. id be like what happens now.. ya know..
as far as the qty per case but no price or link.. Adv Tech is primarily a Lighting Distributor they do retail (us) aswell
100 watt cmhs put out no heat compared to a 125 watt cfl. the cfl is huge heat pump the cmh is small source extremely easy to keep cool to the TOUCH>>
GET PROTECTED
as far as funky ballasts.. HTG usto be great IMPHO. in the past year more Chinese and Issues arising.. but he will fix it im sure, hes and older cool guy...
different caps those are OK>> just the one cant be used on 408+V
sounds like the MFR doesn't care about specif actions at all.. just toss in what is in somewhat close to spec not whats actually speced..
Sorry i get pissed when i hear companies and Mfr's are screwing people out of there hard earned money..
.they should be checking and even pre burning all lighting products before shipping AdvTech does.. why wouldn't them..
sorry i have been away but checking in.. i tried to go a few pages to let it grow on its own.. so oz doesn't chime in and say im this threads lifesupport.. LOL>>
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Toob
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yeah I just spoke with the guy from htg on the phone. was very nice and helpful, they're sending me an ignitor today and he clarified that the capacitors will be fine as simba stated time to wire these puppies up, i'll post pics of my setup as soon as it's done.
edit: freezerboy you were right haha they sent me a MH ballast.
time to wire these puppies up, i'll post pics of my setup as soon as it's done.edit: freezerboy you were right haha they sent me a MH ballast.
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raygun
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Thank you Simba! I for sure am going to pick up the 100watt CMH for sure now! maybe even jump up the wattage to the 150's that will give me a total of 700 watts, 400 HPS + 300 CMH 
I guess I will just have to find another outlet for the 400 Watt HPS.
Messin thanks for the advice on price as well.
Once i get it all up and running I'll have a grow show going.
Save Growing every one
I guess I will just have to find another outlet for the 400 Watt HPS.
Messin thanks for the advice on price as well.
Once i get it all up and running I'll have a grow show going.
Save Growing every one
paperchaser825
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Hello everyone. Great stuff here. Was wondering which size lamp you guys would recommend out of the 250w and the 400w MasterColor for a cabinet that is 2'x2'x4'7''. The cab is well ventilated and I plan to use an air cooled hood.
I win, I winToob said:
uhh ... what do I win? I use a 250 in a 22x29x54 inch freezer. A 400 would be pushing it but, with an enclosed hood and a good fan, I think it's do-able. Run through these and see what others have tried in similar situationspaperchaser825 said:Hello everyone. Great stuff here. Was wondering which size lamp you guys would recommend out of the 250w and the 400w MasterColor for a cabinet that is 2'x2'x4'7''. The cab is well ventilated and I plan to use an air cooled hood.
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As a point of information for me, if one were to (for whatever reason) opt to use a MH bulb in place of a corresponding CMH, would one have to buy a MH bulb made specifically for a pulse start ballast rather than a "regular" MH bulb?
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HairlessCaveApe
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I got 3 old 400watt hps ballasts. I usta usem to flower with but now Im runnin 600's. I started usin one ofem in my veg room and I really dont like what it dose to my mom. -So I could just go an get me onna them cmh's and screw it rite into my sokkit? That would be great! I got a Cooper ballast Im usin in my veg room now. Will a cmh work with that?
Ape, see if there is wording stating S51 if so, you are gold.
paperchaser825
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paperchaser825 said:Hello everyone. Great stuff here. Was wondering which size lamp you guys would recommend out of the 250w and the 400w MasterColor for a cabinet that is 2'x2'x4'7''. The cab is well ventilated and I plan to use an air cooled hood.
Anyone else have any idea if I can pull this off with a 172cfm vortex fan?
With a scrubber that cfm would get knocked down considerably... I've got a 400 over a 2x2 area, but it's in a 4x4x9 closet... there's 6 in ducting all the way to a 4 in dayton and it has great flow... with an attached scrubber it will definitely begin to reach the upper bounds of perfect with low 70s ambient temp air flying in around the cracks of the door.
paperchaser825
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minds_I said:
Ambient temps will be around 72 degrees as it takes air from the rooms a/c.
Thanks for the input also Wygram.
paperchaser825
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Anybody else?
