no sun for a week 6.4 sap aint making it better either
Can't seem to get my plants to fade out in flower... help!
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no sun for a week 6.4 sap aint making it better either
StrongBeef
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No sun for a week and you wont have a sap of 6.4. Try to think of it in those terms.
I think of it like this, growers need integrated weather controlls with lighting and thermal screens to produce quality consistently, even then there will be a dramatic loss in volatile oils and flavours when the crop isn't grown in season! Nutrients play a lesser role, if the conditions environmentally are substandard the the nutrient uptake will also be substandard. For example we don't complain much about the condition of imported green beans from India or Pineapples from wherever they're grown as these are not easily automated crops and thus have a higher production cost as well as harvesting and processing. We don't look at the sap of green beans they're a legume!
It is done where the least environmental controls are needed. Ever wonder why in the UK the growers are situated in cornwall or Scotland, or why the RHS chooses it's sites in specific locations its all about available light to get the job done.
It is done where the least environmental controls are needed. Ever wonder why in the UK the growers are situated in cornwall or Scotland, or why the RHS chooses it's sites in specific locations its all about available light to get the job done.
It is not a myth, the paradigm you believe is shattered when you look outside and see healthy plants thriving in natural ecosystems.
It is a complete myth that that you need anything more than healthy living organic soil to get maximum primary and secondary metabolite production from a plant in a given environment.
Dr Callahan observed the natural system and AEA has reverse engineered the same to derive solutions for horticulture.
Understand the implication of that statement "solutions", In natural healthy balanced systems there are not problems that need solutions.
So to this end it boils down to this, how to you achieve this end? can it be done naturally?
I don't argue research on plant sap, I argue the necessity to use designer solutions to achieve those means, i.e. get a plant to produce optimal primary and secondary metabolites .
I have plenty of great examples of excellent primary / secondary metabolite production per gallon of soil using a variety of organic (well as organic as AEA aka transitional) methods that out perform AEA's metrics and I did that well before they come onto the market.
Not to say they don't add value, but to say that if you think you need their specific methodology to achieve optimal plant health is asinine, especially since by the definition you provided optimal plant health is measured in primary and secondary metabolite production that doesn't need to be thrown away at harvest.
I have many examples of plants in perfect health with better primary and secondary metabolite production in regards to biomass per volume of soil. Willing to bet that they equal or outperform aea results you guys are seeing using the product.
Based on relativity and scale, they aren't rewriting the game they are just fixing fucked up soil.
fwiw i got plenty of examples and fwiw they all have a real nice fade, as does my LOS garden but thats a different story all together.
Understand the implication of that statement "solutions", In natural healthy balanced systems there are not problems that need solutions.
So to this end it boils down to this, how to you achieve this end? can it be done naturally?
I don't argue research on plant sap, I argue the necessity to use designer solutions to achieve those means, i.e. get a plant to produce optimal primary and secondary metabolites .
I have plenty of great examples of excellent primary / secondary metabolite production per gallon of soil using a variety of organic (well as organic as AEA aka transitional) methods that out perform AEA's metrics and I did that well before they come onto the market.
Not to say they don't add value, but to say that if you think you need their specific methodology to achieve optimal plant health is asinine, especially since by the definition you provided optimal plant health is measured in primary and secondary metabolite production that doesn't need to be thrown away at harvest.
I have many examples of plants in perfect health with better primary and secondary metabolite production in regards to biomass per volume of soil. Willing to bet that they equal or outperform aea results you guys are seeing using the product.
Based on relativity and scale, they aren't rewriting the game they are just fixing fucked up soil.
fwiw i got plenty of examples and fwiw they all have a real nice fade, as does my LOS garden but thats a different story all together.
Let's all get along. 
wait why the fuck are you guys throwing away entire crops again?
if it's got leaves...we can rebuild it.
if it's got leaves...we can rebuild it.
StrongBeef
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I agree. I also wonder how one even determines if they have healthy soil when they never test what their compost is comprised of. How do you know what to ammend with? Just some random recipe off the internet?
Take for example a basic coots mix
33% peat
33% aeration
33% compost
Before one even starts on adding amendments, how do you know if your compost wasn't made from a crop with really high levels of K, like everybody is now finding out? The answer is you don't. Maybe after years of growing organic crops in the soil, it will work it self out if treated correctly. However people that are on first year soil mixes would be very surprised what is in their soil.
For clarification, AEA and their way of growing isn't the only way to skin a cat. I stated that several times. However, they do show some fantastic science on what healthy soil should be, and how to achieve it. It comes down to soil biology, we can all agree on that.
Do tell...what paradigm do you think I believe?
the words below are yours not mine
please actualize the myth that there is no soil perfect enough to allow a plant exactly what it needs scientifically
Thank you!!
i think the biggest issue is that everyone is trying to convert a malleable free flowing thing like life into hard fast numbers. it's unpossible imho.
everyone told me all kinds of things when i was a new grower. through my own willfully ignoring them in an effort to find out myself i've managed to dispel a lot of what people in the marijuana growing scene hold as hard fact.
i share my findings with the world but they don't wanna listen because they're still holding fast and hard to "rules" there's no rules man. these plants make their own rules and adapt as they need to.
stop trying to box them in. it's not gonna work. there's no one size fit all here.
everyone told me all kinds of things when i was a new grower. through my own willfully ignoring them in an effort to find out myself i've managed to dispel a lot of what people in the marijuana growing scene hold as hard fact.
i share my findings with the world but they don't wanna listen because they're still holding fast and hard to "rules" there's no rules man. these plants make their own rules and adapt as they need to.
stop trying to box them in. it's not gonna work. there's no one size fit all here.
