best nutrients for coco

[oti$]

You should use that r/o filter. If you are having problems with 6/9 being stable you'll probably have the same problem no matter what nute line you use. Most nutes have more or less have similar profiles. That being ssid, I've grown some really healthy plants with h&g and canna coco a&b (base only). After expanding to a certain point it became costly and I switched to maxigrow and maxibloom. Maxigrow is probably the best veg nute ive used; the plants were always green and lush in veg and even strains that tend to have red/purple stalks and stems had nice green stalks. The maxibloom does the trick in flower, but i cant say it was the best. I've recently switched to jacks professional hydroponic with calcnit. I've seen folks killing it with jacks in coco, but I just started using it so I don't have first hand experience yet. It sounds like you issue is more with your water than the nutrient it self. Getting your room's environment dialed and your light intensity as close to 50 watts/sqft as possible will make much more of a difference than any nute line will. Anyway, hook that r/o filter up and mix up a res and you'll probably have better results. Good luckď

 

[D3pthCharg3]

RX Green Solutions, no ph adjusting, easy and effective as heck

 

[medman225]

I had multiple reps at the max yield expo ask me what I run with my coco dtw setup....
id say I run canna cocos line
and id hear responses of,
"that's hard to beat..."
"you cant go wrong with that"
etc

im not saying everyone did, but multiple reps for nutrient lines would say this instead of even bothering to try and bullshit me that their product would be better. I found that strange(as im used to salesmen being like used car salesmen and doing and saying whaaatever they can to get you into this luxurious, sporty, like brand new!!!........
96' Accord..... lol so it was refreshing to not have someone fuck me around)


I think from everything ive gleaned over the last 4 years since switching to coco(TY HundredGramOZ), cannas coco lines are very well respected, and many think its the cream of the crop.




Now has anyone got an opinion on CYCO Nutrients?
I talked with their rep and he gave me 1 liter samples of their line up... he was telling me about their nutrients, and how they procure and use veeery pure pharmaceutical grade nutrients...
now its kinda asinine to assume everyone else is making inferior nutes, and that's what seemed to be implied. but since it was free, I figured Id ask yall knowledgeable cats here about CYCO nutes, and whether you can see some kind of difference in the pharmaceutical grade, vs the regular grade nutes used by most companies(im assuming food grade).

 

[oti$]

Pharmaceutical grade nutes? Is that like pharmaceutical grade coke opposed to the cut up street level shit? That kinda sounds like bs. I thought salts were salts and all these companies probably source their raw materials from the same place. I could be wrong though...

 

[BubbaBear]

I cant believe no one has said Advanced Nutrients Sensi Coco formula it's the most complete PH stable coco specific nutrient I've found. It doesn't need cal mag like Canna it has a more stable PH than GH Coco Tek plus it has the PH perfect tech so it absorbs nutrients at a wider range of PH, they tell you not to adjust the PH period. And it has a wetting agent and humic and fulvic acid. People like to hate on AN, I personally hate there cartoon labels it reminds me of Camel cigarette advertising and I'd never run there whole line that's for suckers, they do there research though, all the other nutrient companies have followed there lead

 

[oti$]

Pretty much any nutrient, especially coco specific nutes, don't need cal-mag. The coco specific nutes have plenty of calcium and if they are lacking in anything, it would be mag alone. Low mag can be remedied with a pinch of epsoms. Some strains are in need of a little extra cal or mag, but usually not both simultaneously and in most cases it's totally not necessary. Adding cal mag when not needed just throws off the ratios. There is also N in most cal-mag bottles which can further throw ratios out of whack and also affect the end product as excess N can produce leafy and airy buds.
OP, I'd give canna coco nutes a go since you seem to be looking for a quality bottled nute. Dont add any cal-mag. If you see a deficiency, first try a teaspoon of epsoms/5gallons (always worked for me) and see if that corrects things before adding cal-mag.

 

[nukklehead]

jacks 5-12-26 & calcium nitrate.

when you mix your own stock solution its around 10$/gl(applied at 5-10ml/gl)
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Nice porn Waxy.. got me hard...

Im a KISS Maxi user(coco hempy) and am happy with that. Gonna take a 2nd look at the Jacks though. Hard to change ways. Im sure
most people can do better then me. But FWIW Im old and lazy and I doubt most people put as little work into it as I do..

 

[brainzfuxed]

Nice porn Waxy.. got me hard...

Im a KISS Maxi user(coco hempy) and am happy with that. Gonna take a 2nd look at the Jacks though. Hard to change ways. Im sure
most people can do better then me. But FWIW Im old and lazy and I doubt most people put as little work into it as I do..

How are the flavors with your herbs?

 

[packerfan79]

I had trouble with Jacks, I was 5 weeks in to flower with no signs of flower. Switched to 6 and 9 immediately started flowering turned out to be my best yield to date. And quality was on point. I don't know why they wouldn't flower, I followed what everyone else here does with the Jacks and Cal nit. I really wanted Jacks to work but it just didn't.

 

[oti$]

What do you mean it takes,dedication and percision? It seems pretty straight forward. I. Wondering bc I just got 50lb and am about to start my a room on it.
Also to answer your question Humboldt nutrients has a 3 part. I used their micro and bloom at the 6/9 ratio successfully. They have numbers very close to those of gh. That's just one off the top of my head that I've used with good results...

 

[MrBungle]

so with jacks/cal nitrate you run 6 grams jacks and 9 grams cal nitrate per gallon? the jacks is dry too? ever make it into a liquid concentrate?

 

[RB56]

so with jacks/cal nitrate you run 6 grams jacks and 9 grams cal nitrate per gallon? the jacks is dry too? ever make it into a liquid concentrate?

That's my standard practice. 1 pound of powder to 1 gallon of RO water for each. Goes into perfect solution with very no effort at all.

 

[MrBungle]

So you add 1 lb to a gallon... do you adjust the pH of the water before you add it? When its concentrated do you use 6 ml jacks and 9 ml cal nit per gal?

 

[chronosync]

That's my standard practice. 1 pound of powder to 1 gallon of RO water for each. Goes into perfect solution with very no effort at all.

Good info here, thanks. Any idea about mixing other nutrients like this, in a very concentrate master solution? Does anyone here do this with their bottled nutes as well?

I emailed GH about making highly concentrated master solutions but they basically pretended to not understand and wouldn't recommend anything of the sort.

 

[oti$]

Not Humboldt county's own, Humboldt Nutrients...with cool stylised labels on the bottles. When I started growing my wife wanted me to use them bc she really liked the pictures. They ended up being decent and I used them for a while. I think it's just called Humboldt nutrients 3 part...the bottles are labeled micro, grow, and bloom. I'm pretty sure any three part would work with heads 6/9 formula eliminating the grow bottle.
I used to be a huge house & garden advocate. I grew really healthy plants with their cocos a&b and aqua flakes a&b @1.0-1.2 ec. I went back to h&g 6/9 bc it was cheaper and I learned environment, watts/sqft and genetics are way more crucial than the brand if nute I was using. H&g has also changed owners so I don't know if the quality changed with the owners.

 

[RB56]

So you add 1 lb to a gallon... do you adjust the pH of the water before you add it? When its concentrated do you use 6 ml jacks and 9 ml cal nit per gal?

Not those proportions. I use RO water to start. I also use a Bluelab Truncheon (great tool). I add the 5-12-26 solution until EC .7. Then Cal Nit to 1.0. That's the standard level I use for everything, except one plant only gets Cal Nit to .8 during the first 2 weeks of flower.

Since I'm starting with RO water, low pH is the issue. Once the 5-12-26 and Cal Nit are in, I'm at about pH 5.2. I add 5 tablespoons of crushed, unprocessed dolomite lime to a gallon of water. I shake it every time before use. I add 2 ounces of this to 3 gallons of water/nutrients. Takes me to 5.8 in 12 hours and 6.0 at 24 hours and beyond. I'm hand watering in 70/30 coir/perlite.

Finally, I soak 5 tablespoons of diatomaceous earth in a gallon of water and add 8 ounces per 3 gallons. I don't know that this is actually providing silicone to the plants, but I get thicker, stronger stems with it than without.

Really cheap and easy. Straight through from barely rooted cuttings to flower. I dilute 50/50 with RO water starting the second to last week of flower and go to straight RO water for the last week.

Works for me.

 

[Zen Medz]

I cant believe no one has said Advanced Nutrients Sensi Coco formula it's the most complete PH stable coco specific nutrient I've found. It doesn't need cal mag like Canna it has a more stable PH than GH Coco Tek plus it has the PH perfect tech so it absorbs nutrients at a wider range of PH, they tell you not to adjust the PH period. And it has a wetting agent and humic and fulvic acid. People like to hate on AN, I personally hate there cartoon labels it reminds me of Camel cigarette advertising and I'd never run there whole line that's for suckers, they do there research though, all the other nutrient companies have followed there lead

Bubba, glad to hear you're having good results with AN's Sensi Coco. I recently saw it at my local shop and noticed a few things. It has very similar nutrient ratios to GH's Cocotek, AN veg = 4-2-4, GH 4-2-5, AN bloom = 4-4-5, GH 3-5-6. The other minor difference is the amount of calcium, GH has a little more in both veg and bloom.

You mentioned that AN's Sensi was more pH stable than Cocotek? Have you compared them recently? I use soft (<50 ppm) unfiltered tap water that is pH ~7.5 and Cocotek adjusts pH to 5.9 to 6 every time and it stays there for 3-5 days until my rez is empty. That seems pretty stable to me.

I'd say Sensi and Cocotek are very similar but I personally like the nutrient ratios better in the Cocotek bloom, less N and more P and K. The price of Cocotek is also nice and it's always available locally. AN has so many different nutrient lines that most of the local shops don't consistently carry all of the nutrients. Food for thought, cheers!

 

[BubbaBear]

Yes I've used both AN Sensi Coco and GH Coco Tek at the same time. To save money I use to run coco tek for veg and sensi coco bloom for flower. I now get sensi coco for a better price than I can get coco tek at $50 a 10 liter or $100 for a 23 liter so I'm not doing that anymore. Coco tek is my second favorite coco nutrient it doesn't need cal mag at least. Someone was saying you don't need cal mag with any coco nutrients that's simply not true all the coco nutrients from Europe that l know about still need cal mag which to me means there out dated incomplete nutrients.

Your water is softer than mine, mines about 110 ppm and PH 8 out of the tap. For me the coco tek would always always require some PH down and the PH always rises quicker than with sensi coco. Sensi Coco like all of AN bases has the PH perfect technology that holds your PH in the 5.5-6.5 sweet spot for a week and makes it so your nutrients will be absorbed properly with a PH between 5-8 so even if it rises on you, you don't need to adjust it. To me that makes it worth the extra few bucks is you can't find it for as cheap as coco tek. Plus Sensi Coco has aminos, a wetting agent, humic and fulvic acid and it's cal mag and iron are chelated. For me it's the highest quality easiest to use coco nutrient.

 

[Ganjaganjakush]

Man I use jacks and the Cal nit .4ec of each no other additives and im.killing it don't even check the ph or anything anymore super stable with my ro it mixes to perf range

 

[nukklehead]

How are the flavors with your herbs?

They are lets just say good (enough)... I have grown all solid ways ( soil, soil less, coco, organic dirt, non organic dirt --you name it--just not full hydro).. Obviously best tasting I ever had was organic soil with organic amendments... Like I said due to physical ability just not able to put as much effort into it then I did in the last 20 years. Im still on a slight learning curve with the KISS/MAXi in the flavor department. Tapering off nutes more now, along with some flushing has definitely helped the taste. Would like to try a little something to improve that department but extensive research hasnt shown anything (to me) concrete yet .. (Please no recommendations. -Ive read most all of them).. Im an organic grower at heart and not having a significant microbe herd in the root system seems to be
counterproductive to much improvement of the KISS/MAXI method.
Im happy with what I have and appreciate the ease of KISS/MAXI/COCO... Will keep watching for that "magic molasses" to be invented for my chemically grown passive hydro bud..

Peace