Becoming an ICMAGAZINE (online) Subscriber....Your Chance To Help....

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Red...and others reading....regular seed sales enables either Seedbay or Seedboutique to replenish inventory as well as make new seedline acquisitions. Those sites are self-sufficient in that way.

ICM is different. ICM is not a seed selling site...it is a forum site.

For example, Red, you used a new Rez release as an example in your post...well, after paying the breeder for the initial purchase, the profits realized from sales are put back into purchasing more from that same breeder, as well as acquisitions of new varieties from other breeders. In other words, profits are rolled back into replenishing and expanding stock so that there is more variety.

But all that is really irrelevant, as ICM and Sboo and Sbay are separate entities, each with their own set of overheads.

Thanks,
dg

DG...
since all 3 are differant entities, and this is just a FORUM and a donation is just support a WEBSITE, all of that seams TOTALY LEGAL in just about any modern county...
so im saying you need to open up a paypal or some large-lagitimate form of 'donating' money...you guys are draining us with freaking 'overnight' curriers, i hate going to fedex/ups/dhl and then spending another $50 ontop of the donation? my last fedex to sbay cost 54$, sometimes its 60$ sometimes its 48$, either way its a waste of money we could be donating to you...

45$ for every donation x 1000ppl / yr donate = $45,000 in wasted money....
or a more realistic figure would project 100-500 ppl @ 45$ = $4,500- $22500
more then enough to cover a few months server bills.

seeds and mo's.. alright, its a pain but whatever...
but this is server time, porn sites will bill your CC why dosent ICmag.


id gladly send you guys 197$ remainder after the 53$ fedex is going to ding me, but i have a feeling that dosent sound good, so compromise!!!

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

Damn an overnite service is like $30 for an envelope from the states -pretty pricey. I think i would have to send mine certified or regestered , got to be cheaper.

No offense gypsy but if you're paying 36k a year for server costs, someone is laughing all the way to the bank. Seriously, that's way too much.

you apperantly dont know how servers work and they are priced totaly differant then home useage, if they paid less this site would be un-navigateable, because of all the people.

please, no more on the costs, they shop it around, my company pays over $125k/year for bandwidth, 36k is nothing.

 

[NOKUY]

i dont know shit about servers or running a forums website, but the server my company has cost $15,000 USD...and i bet thats not even alot.

 

[LiLWaynE]

I am going to pay for a lifetime script, but I think it is way too much. I have a few concerns. Okay if everyone pays up for life how will this cover costs for years to come? This is a one time payment. I belonged to another site(not canna related) years ago that asked for donations and a lot of members paid up. 2 weeks after I sent my money the site closed and was never heard from again. That sucked.

check it

we could use the help to at least pay for a part of the overheads of keeping the site here......

 

[RED145]

RED145, dude, dont pay any money and shut your mouth and i think things will be just fine around here and over there for you....

What the fuck is that spose ta mean my nizzle????Oh,I belong to another site you musta went to,LOL......Thats a BIG SECRET HUH!!!!LOL

I gotta idea wheezy F....why dont YOU shut the fuck up and as an added bonus too me...KILL YOURSELF!!!!!LOL

Feel better know weezer???

Matter a fact LiL...I hope you send the money fast so you can take that avatar into the special forums were I dont have to look upon its ugliness!!!

 

[Sammet]

Please don't get this thread locked, it's pretty important. Argue elsewhere.

 

[dkmonk]

I agree w/ Sammet, we are all in this for the same cause growing and learning more about the wonderful plant, in my eyes we are all brothers and sisters here, i would like to see a lot less hostility but w/e not everyone can be peaceful that's why we have wars and such.

 

[JJScorpio]

I really can't believe what is happening here. Wow.

Let me try and explain this. Take your digital camera and a 1 gb memory card and go take pictures until its full. Now remember that your camera is taking a small picture. Your setting on your camera is for small pics. Now, these pics are put into your gallery here and enlarged. How many of those enlarged pics do you think would fit on the memory card? Now lets multiply that times the roughly few hundred thousand pictures that are in the galleries of members on this site. Then you have all of the written threads on top of this.

Now lets add the cost of the servers and other equipment that needs to be purchased and upgraded when things get bigger. And this place gets bigger by the day. And will continue to grow. The only thing paying for this is the advertising from seedbay and boutique. They could drop the big expense of this site, close it down and run advertising on other sites and be way further ahead financially. And from some of what I've read, I wouldn't blame them. They asked for a little help after footing the bill for 4 years and listen to some of the comments people are making. It just doesn't seem right. No one is asking anyone that can't afford it to pay anything. Why are the nasty comments necessary?

 

[MoeBudz^420]

Hey, I'm back to make my point about cost - I researched it this AM. Another forum I go to is also doing a membership/support drive. Even better is the fact it's pretty much the same size as here. Other forum: 34,240 members. IC: 35,113 members, as of this morning.

The other site is asking for $20/yr from its members for support, non - mandatory, same deal, you get a support thingy under your name, and extra features...hence me thinking 100/yr is a bit steep. I bet that out of total member base, the other forum will get 20 fold more subs out of their user base than here will, just due to cost alone.

Just making a (researched) point, not trying to be negative. Bring the cost down to reasonable, and I'll gladly buy in, as I do feel this is a good site, and would much rather throw some $ here than anywhere else.



Peace

 

[Kenny Lingus]

I bet advertisers and vendors cannot DONATE as icmag.com is not a charity organization, but I assume the ad-customers like our beloved bay and boutique are already paying good money for advertising, and a few vendors have probably paid subscription costs already.

If we only get a lousy 3-4 percent to go lifetime, we can have the site's lifetime increased for years upon years. I mean. 1000 x 250usd = 250.000USD and that is 3-4-5 years.

I do think a different payment way will be nice as I still have troubles finding a good and cheap overnight service, and even have to pay another 10-15usd in fee for buying foreign money... Any good tips here friends?

 

[Endo]

high school drama class is now in session.

 

[B4O2N0G]

I dont think my opinon is going to change anything but I would like to see the subscribing fees drop a little..My power bill alone was 1000 dollars this month and I would like to become a lifetime subscriber but it seems just a little high for the average family man.

I understand the high costs of running a site like this but if the cost was lowered for us all the more people would send in money orders and significantly helping the site become a better place.

Obviously it is our choice if we want to support icmag but I dont want to feel left out of the subscribers section because I cant afford it..Peace

 

[JJScorpio]

Nobodys expected a thousand people to donate that amount of money. It was decided on hoping the growers/people that can afford will pitch in and take the load for the others. Maybe a smaller donation is something Gypsy might contemplate.

Regarding this other site that is asking for twenty dollars. Do some of these members have galleries with hundreds of pictures in them? Those pics tear up the MB.

Let me ask a question. To those that say they can afford 50 but not 100, if you get a slogan under your name that isn't the same as the 100 dollar donaters, will that cause problems? I think this is why Gypsy was hoping a certain number of people would donate the 100 dollars and take away any discrimination from smaller donaters. Maybe a platinum member for 100 and a gold member for 50 wouldnt be arbitrary. It's up to Gypsy and if thats something people would accept without problem he might look at it. I'm just seculating. I don't have a say.

You need to remember, this is just something thats started and sometimes things need to be tweaked. He may read this and take it into consideration or he may not. It's his call.

 

[NOKUY]

i think the donations would balance out either way.

a few that really give a fuck pay a bit more, or more chumps pay a bit less.

...the more that have to be dealt with make it harder for gypsy.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

For those that think that they have to put their hands in their pockets....

......Like I have said all along........YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHELL OUT A PENNY.....if you don't want to......the site is here........and I will try my best to keep it here for all to use FOR FREE.....as long as I can....

I have paid all the bills for 4 years.........and will continue to if that is at all possible....

......so please don't stress yourself about it........you have nothing to loose......and you don't owe me nothing........


ICMAG.......is a place where we can all learn something.......even myself..........so even though it costs me alot.....I still get something in return...


*I can understand that alot of members are living on a low budget......and just can't afford to support this site.......luckily enough I can......at this moment...

 

[Smurf]

When you compare only the price & value of good herb to the voluntary subscription here,
well I honestly can't see what all the fuss is about.
Regardless of how hard you try, you will never please everyone, which is a pity.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

When you compare only the price & value of good herb to the voluntary subscription here,
well I honestly can't see what all the fuss is about.
Regardless of how hard you try, you will never please everyone, which is a pity.

Yeah man I understand......if gas was free for 4 years and you pulled up to a gas station to tank.....and the guy putting gas into your car said..... 'Could you perhaps contribute towards this gasoline that I just filled your tank with?'.....


......most people would probably bitch.....like BIG TIME!

 

[DIGITALHIPPY]

For those that think that they have to put their hands in their pockets....

......Like I have said all along........YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHELL OUT A PENNY.....if you don't want to......the site is here........and I will try my best to keep it here for all to use FOR FREE.....as long as I can....

I have paid all the bills for 4 years.........and will continue to if that is at all possible....

......so please don't stress yourself about it........you have nothing to loose......and you don't owe me nothing........


ICMAG.......is a place where we can all learn something.......even myself..........so even though it costs me alot.....I still get something in return...

please ignore the trolls/kiddies and let the big boys take care of these things man.

you should seriousely address some of the issues here and you will get more help then u thought.

payment / tags

some form of a tag with forms of payment, going by the KISS theory i see; ~DONATOR
~SUPPORTER
~LIFETIME SUPPORTER

COSTS

keeping with the KISS theory keep your large pricing, as fewer sharks will cause less collection/shuffling work for you

OR

going with the wallmart theory and sell 10$, 20$ donations by the boatload...


PAYMENT PROCEDURE
now this is my problem. ditch the MO shuffle and get a CC debt system, and for the paranoid maybe a paypal. -as this is just a website legaly there should be nothing to fear.
for the MO only fedex offers tracking on 2ed day intl shipping.

EXCLUSIVEITY
(sp?)
it will be nice to have our own forums to filter out some of these trolls


-DigitalHippy

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

please ignore the trolls/kiddies and let the big boys take care of these things man.

you should seriousely address some of the issues here and you will get more help then u thought.

payment / tags

some form of a tag with forms of payment, going by the KISS theory i see; ~DONATOR
~SUPPORTER
~LIFETIME SUPPORTER

COSTS

keeping with the KISS theory keep your large pricing, as fewer sharks will cause less collection/shuffling work for you

OR

going with the wallmart theory and sell 10$, 20$ donations by the boatload...


PAYMENT PROCEDURE
now this is my problem. ditch the MO shuffle and get a CC debt system, and for the paranoid maybe a paypal. -as this is just a website legaly there should be nothing to fear.
for the MO only fedex offers tracking on 2ed day intl shipping.

EXCLUSIVEITY
(sp?)
it will be nice to have our own forums to filter out some of these trolls


-DigitalHippy

I might go with your first suggestion...but that might divide us with some CLASS b.s.:~DONATOR
~SUPPORTER
~LIFETIME SUPPORTER......and your second suggestion stands....


.....Paypal has already closed 3 of my accounts.......I'm not keen on them.....and I don't like to link CC payments with user names here for security reasons.....

 

[Kenny Lingus]

please ignore the trolls/kiddies and let the big boys take care of these things man.

you should seriousely address some of the issues here and you will get more help then u thought.

payment / tags

some form of a tag with forms of payment, going by the KISS theory i see; ~DONATOR
~SUPPORTER
~LIFETIME SUPPORTER

COSTS

keeping with the KISS theory keep your large pricing, as fewer sharks will cause less collection/shuffling work for you

OR

going with the wallmart theory and sell 10$, 20$ donations by the boatload...


PAYMENT PROCEDURE
now this is my problem. ditch the MO shuffle and get a CC debt system, and for the paranoid maybe a paypal. -as this is just a website legaly there should be nothing to fear.
for the MO only fedex offers tracking on 2ed day intl shipping.

EXCLUSIVEITY
(sp?)
it will be nice to have our own forums to filter out some of these trolls


-DigitalHippy

In regards to payment tags it should be just fine with subscriber. It'll stay forever or how long you sign up for... Why make it harder by differing and glorify any of it?