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[uptosumpn]

@Cyber....just misted rootball & leafs when lights went off @ noon....<I added AN Revive+ @ 2ml per liter....1.5-0-0

 

[uptosumpn]

Well thanks to that karma, I have 2 more Sourjems girls as of yesterday!! <they both officially shown sex @ day 21 & 22...!....will transplant today when they wake up @ 7...

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girl karma sent...

 

[FullDuplex]

Well thanks to that karma, I have 2 more Sourjems girls as of yesterday!! <they both officially shown sex @ day 21 & 22...!....will transplant today when they wake up @ 7...

way to go dude glad to hear it. I cant wait till i see some bud porn from these SourJems. they sound rather delightful.

 

[uptosumpn]

Okay, so I just transplanted my 2 newly discovered SourJems......take a look at the roots...these are @ day 21 & 22....pics are of the 21 day old one...she is bigger than the older one...
Pic Updates for all tomm...

 

[Lume]

Okay, I need some opinions and/or some GOOD advice....it's been 2-3 days since transplant and when I checked on them a lil' while ago, I noticed a lil' yellowing on the bottom fan leafs.....
So I am assuming that I stunted/shocked them????<I did transplant AS SOON AS SEX WAS SHOWN....plus I am wondering if it is a reaction in part to the ERT? < ya know, the upper part of root ball being exposed to light and the fact that it dries out faster...??
Here are my thoughts.....
1.Lack of Oxygen
2.Lack of Nitrogen
3.Cal/Mag def. OR
4.Nute lock<PH has always been checked BEFORE watering...BUT because I am using Prom-mix HP as my soil<low in PH, I added 1tbsn of d-lime to 1 gal of water with 2tsp of AN No-shock to main part of soil only<1litre ea plant....then I added 1/8tsp FF GrowBig, 1tbsn FF BigBloom, 1/2tsp AN Conno pt A&B, 1/4tsp FF open sesame, 1tbsn BS Molasses and 1/4tsp AN B-52 to upper part of root ball..<another 1litre per plant....all with 24hr bubbled ph'd tap water....WITH NO SIGNS OF BURN!!
I know it's only like day 21-23 for all of them BUT I havent had this problem before!!!! So i'm a lil' anxious/nervous right now!
I am thinkin a good FLUSH!...what I need to know is, should I flush with JUST ph'd water, or add molasses OR jus flush with 1tbsn of hydrogen peroxide??
I took a couple of shots for you guys to see, some seem a lil' droopy and what's da deal with all those twisting leafs???!!!.....havent had water since 9/11..
sorry about quality..still trying to master this cannon...

---------- I havent been around for a bit but read this post for help......I think it was the heat,AFers just do that above 80F , I seen ur pic earlier post 84F....heat for sure does them almost rootless when all else is ok. And dont put them into/under heat stress too young or else the same rootless life . Letting them stretch up into flouros 6''-12'' ,then flowering does better also.

 

[uptosumpn]

Sup' Lume, nice to have ya back....You know, me and FD came up with enviorment as a cause too! The slow/no growth as well as the yellowing of the lower leafs....but yeah, HEAT was def a issue as you saw what my avg temps are on a daily basis....that 600hps "bare blub" DO put off some wicked radiant heat!! I did purchase a cool tube with a 409CFM fan, but got lazy and never installed...jus said; "one more run" then I will set it up....I know when I install those, heat will NEVER be a problem again...I would perfer my lights on temps @ 78...I have to use my portable, (11,000 btu) A/C to help with the over-all cooling....

---------- I havent been around for a bit but read this post for help......I think it was the heat,AFers just do that above 80F , I seen ur pic earlier post 84F....heat for sure does them almost rootless when all else is ok. And dont put them into/under heat stress too young or else the same rootless life . Letting them stretch up into flouros 6''-12'' ,then flowering does better also.

 

[uptosumpn]

Update Time

Update Time

Today makes it officially 4wks into this grow!! (54 min ago!)
jus a quick pic update.....this sorry-azz camera died in the middle of taking pics!! I swear I have to buy a BETTER one after this grow! I will take more tomm...
Anywayz, pics....
#1. This is a group shot of 8 girlz... <tried taken it with a diff. exposure and blacklight flash...anyway, the bigger ones are the 4wk old girls...
from top-left; Ak#2, AK#1, SourJem#1, SourJem#3, and another Ak....all are 28days, except that Ak<25days old.....3 on the bottom are SourJem#4, the Ak runt & SourJem#5...
Havent fed em' since 9/14...and yes, I see the light green leaves tryin to creep up to next set<will feed tomm. with GrowBig, AN Conno A&B, Molasses, B-52, Root Stimu, Open Sesame, Cal-Mag & BigBloom.....It's obvious they want FOOD!

#2. Same order as pic 1, just a better exposure and angle...they are around 8"....

#3. This is a shot of my bushiest, (so-far!) SourJem! <maybe the breeding candidate for F2's....!!

#4. Close up of another SJ.....

#5. Angle/Top shot of SourJem #3

#6. From left to right...2nd Biggest SJ<23 days old! & by far my most developed and biggest plant out of all, Ak#3<4wks old...and she is almost 11"..!
So total, I have 14 girls outta 40 seeds started....and 2 Ak's appear to be RUNTS! The last 4 unknown SJems turned out to be males...<not 100% sure on 2 though..we'll see....OH!, what da deal with theses "curling leaves"????!!!!
Sorry for the crappy pics, AGAIN! dont let the reflections fool ya!

 

[uptosumpn]

Just fed 4 of them this morn..<damm this shit is a lotta work!! I def need to get some of those auto pots...!
Anywayz, my water is ph'd @ 6.5 with nutes and PPm is around 1300, BUT when I check my run-off ph, it reads 7.2-7.6!!!????? WTF!!???? So I lowerd the solution to 5.0 and checked runoff on another one and it said the same thing!!!!! So I am SUPER PISSED OFF NOW!!!! I know to raise PH, you should use D-Lime and to lower it you need Spaghum Peat Moss...<dont have any ATM!!! I thought Pro-mix was a LOW ph soil????? So now I'm worried.....that's why I stopped feeding anymore to see what happens when they wake up...may have to flush and go buy some moss.....very upset right now peoples.....

 

[Bighill]

If i am remembering correctly i think that means you are headed towards a salt build up. If the PH from your runoff is lower than what you put in, that is a good indicator your plant had used some of the nutrient you put in. When it comes out higher like that it might be telling you a built up of some kind is happening. If you start with a nice healthy organic soil mix you can avoid ph issues like this, the micro life in the soil buffers the PH for the plant.
If it was me i'd buble a good tea of some worm casting and flush the shit out of them with it.

I've used a good bit of promix the last few runs. It says it is buffered on the bag, but i don't think it is in the optimal range of canna. The better runs i've had with it was with 1 tbs dlime/gal promix. Also MEGA amounts of worm castings in the soil mix are a plus, they are a natural chleating agent, which will also help buffer the ph. So you don't get huge swings like that. (which might explain the leaves)

I was most happy with sunshine mix#4 as a base, big chunky bits of perlite, the soil also didn't compact much. I didn't even bother adding dlime, with good results. Not that this helps you now.

 

[uptosumpn]

You know BH, I can clearly remembering the guy @ my hydro shop asking if I needed any worm castings, and I said no..<NOOB mistake #187....PLUS ran out of money @ the time....so didnt make a big deal of it since I ran it without worm castings on my last run......<but I did add 40% FF light warrior to it.....

Anywayz just checked on the 4 I fed and they seem fine, so-far...had a lil' growth spurt too!..My previous watering was a "so-called FLUSH" with just Ph'd water with 1tbsn of hydrogen peroxide per gal......

So I need to bubble some worm castings and flush the ones I just fed NOW??.... what about the ones I have not fed yet...??? same thing?? And how much worm castings do you reccomend to bubble per gallon of water???...As well as how much to add in soil mix, (for future reference!). prob will get some of that Sunshine Mix#4 and give it a try once this promix I have is finished...

If i am remembering correctly i think that means you are headed towards a salt build up. If the PH from your runoff is lower than what you put in, that is a good indicator your plant had used some of the nutrient you put in. When it comes out higher like that it might be telling you a built up of some kind is happening. If you start with a nice healthy organic soil mix you can avoid ph issues like this, the micro life in the soil buffers the PH for the plant.
If it was me i'd buble a good tea of some worm casting and flush the shit out of them with it.

I've used a good bit of promix the last few runs. It says it is buffered on the bag, but i don't think it is in the optimal range of canna. The better runs i've had with it was with 1 tbs dlime/gal promix. Also MEGA amounts of worm castings in the soil mix are a plus, they are a natural chleating agent, which will also help buffer the ph. So you don't get huge swings like that. (which might explain the leaves)

I was most happy with sunshine mix#4 as a base, big chunky bits of perlite, the soil also didn't compact much. I didn't even bother adding dlime, with good results. Not that this helps you now.

 

[Sandnut]

hey man your grow is looking great, theyre starting to fatten up, i noticed your medium bags and Id like to purchase some for my outdoor grow, you know if theyre availeble in black on black or can they be turned inside out? white isnt a very stealthy colour to be using outdoors .cheers

 

[uptosumpn]

Thanks! yes they do come in blk/blk...

hey man your grow is looking great, theyre starting to fatten up, i noticed your medium bags and Id like to purchase some for my outdoor grow, you know if theyre availeble in black on black or can they be turned inside out? white isnt a very stealthy colour to be using outdoors .cheers

 

[FullDuplex]

Just fed 4 of them this morn..<damm this shit is a lotta work!! I def need to get some of those auto pots...!
Anywayz, my water is ph'd @ 6.5 with nutes and PPm is around 1300, BUT when I check my run-off ph, it reads 7.2-7.6!!!????? WTF!!???? So I lowerd the solution to 5.0 and checked runoff on another one and it said the same thing!!!!! So I am SUPER PISSED OFF NOW!!!! I know to raise PH, you should use D-Lime and to lower it you need Spaghum Peat Moss...<dont have any ATM!!! I thought Pro-mix was a LOW ph soil????? So now I'm worried.....that's why I stopped feeding anymore to see what happens when they wake up...may have to flush and go buy some moss.....very upset right now peoples.....

I would have to say that this is about the only thing left that i haven't gone organic on is the way that i change pH. I have been using rain water as usual but i use a chem based pH down and it works great. I rarely have to use it though given the natural pH of rain water.

i would have to agree with BH on this one, i think that there may be a slat build up happening. If so get to flushing. The one thing with soil is that there are some things you cant flush out. There are a lot of immobile nutes in soil rather than hydro. So the salts are gonna be the part that you are flushing out of the soil rather than all of the nutes. and salt build up is never a good thing.

Other than that my fellow knight things are looking fantastic. The girls are green and growing well! Good job with this as usual!

 

[uptosumpn]

Thanks FD....You and BH are DEAD-ON!! Just need to know how much EWC to use per gal of water to bubble/brew for flush.....wonder if I should add BS molasses to the brew?? and yeah, they are getting greener and bigger now, especially since using bubbled water.....<<THANKS AGAIN!

 

[anonamix]

lookin good bro! Love how nice and clean the set up is, the ladies seem to love it too!

 

[uptosumpn]

Hey everybody! Jus a lil' update.. I must have some of that karma Mossy sent me still because today I have discovered another SourJem GIRL!! She is 3wks today when she showed herself.... Transplanted her an hour ago... added some Peroxide & AN No-Shock with bubbled water to condition the soil...BUT, when I checked the run-off, the PH is still unstable, so I NOW know it's the soil....Pro-mix is very UNSTABLE and HIGH in PH!!! <<[Remember from my mistakes all Noobs!!] going to give em' all a flush when they get semi-dry.
I still would like if anyone can let me know how much EWC to 1 gal of water to use for flushing?? Should I add molasses?? and/or how much to mix in soil...<3gal bag for future ref. THANKS>>>>>

*Edit: Discovered <another> SJ girl 4hrs later!!!!!

 

[uptosumpn]

Thanks for All the feedback...wtf? ^^

 

[uptosumpn]

Anyways, these are my last 2 males, just thought I show you guyz a pheno that directly has the same growth pattern as my heaviest yielding Sour60.....a.k.a "the bushy bitch"< that was her name!! Chk. it out...it's the one on the left...I wonder if I use pollen for him I can get that pheno stable??? Hmmmm??? That bitch yielded me over 2oz dry!!!

@FD..the other 3 males I was growing Died Suddenly from heat...<I had put them outside on balcony for about 8hr of sun while @ work...temps were 95 th!! they were nearly on the ground when I got back...! Oh well...I have to get some pollen out of these 2 to get those F2's....Hell I may hit up a lower branch of an Ak too....since my girls are at diff. ages, I still have time..

 

[FullDuplex]

Hey everybody! Jus a lil' update.. I must have some of that karma Mossy sent me still because today I have discovered another SourJem GIRL!! She is 3wks today when she showed herself.... Transplanted her an hour ago... added some Peroxide & AN No-Shock with bubbled water to condition the soil...BUT, when I checked the run-off, the PH is still unstable, so I NOW know it's the soil....Pro-mix is very UNSTABLE and HIGH in PH!!! <<[Remember from my mistakes all Noobs!!] going to give em' all a flush when they get semi-dry.
I still would like if anyone can let me know how much EWC to 1 gal of water to use for flushing?? Should I add molasses?? and/or how much to mix in soil...<3gal bag for future ref. THANKS>>>>>

*Edit: Discovered <another> SJ girl 4hrs later!!!!!

Sorry on the slow responses my friend. As far as EWC go im really not sure. I have used them in the past but not on a regular basis. I used them a few times in a tea. I used 1 cup to a gallon when i brewed the teas and then split the gallon with fresh pH'ed rain water. Now im using another source as my foundation for the tea.

Molasses i have never used. I have been torn about using it really. I haven't seen any comparison shots to see any benefit. Not saying that it doesn't work just that i have never tested it my self.

I use a very easy method to feed my girls. It has kept me from having to much salt build up as well as a hearty feeding schedule. I guess its time to share a few things

Ill post more in the knight thread to keep it centralized.

 

[FullDuplex]

....Hell I may hit up a lower branch of an Ak too....since my girls are at diff. ages, I still have time..

Do it up, why not. You never know what you are going to get its always fun to see them grow and change. Keep up the good work bro