Are you prepared?

[Pirate]

Have no fear of the future. Our new Presidente' just kept his promise to lower taxes.

We will each now get $8.00 per week more on our checks.

Couples really score with a whopping $16.00. I knew I should of gotten married.

A BIG THANK YOU TO KING OBAMA !!!!!!!

Our problems are over.

 

[genkisan]

Gold is worthless unless you have everything ulse you need.. and then shiny metals might be on the list..

Having knowledge on how to create things from resources around you of use to another person is were the true trade value will be.. It will be way to crazy out there for gold to be of value when there is much more important things needed.. Only way gold is gonna be of any value is if there is some sort of organized community, or like i said above, the person has everything and wants shiny metals... Something like an axe would be worth more then a gold nugget anyday..

And honestly.. If i dont know you.. and even if i do know you.. I probly wont trust you anuf to bring your gold nuggets or anything ulse close anuf to my shelter.. I mean think about someone who has nothing but gold coming up to try and trade.. There already probly desperate and i wouldnt trust anyone like that.. as in.. I would probly shoot first and ask questions later.. Its that kill or be killed mind frame..

Its about how useful something is with me.. not how rare it is.. Gold is of no use to prepare for anything major... Just my opinion..

Listen to this man....he knows of what he speaks....





When the trucks don't come from Mexico to fill yer grocery stores, and food, not next quarters profits are whats on everyone's minds, all that gold yer lauding will be worth less than a sack of donkey shit.

At least you kin fert yer garden with donkey shit.....

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Listen to this man....he knows of what he speaks....





When the trucks don't come from Mexico to fill yer grocery stores, and food, not next quarters profits are whats on everyone's minds, all that gold yer lauding will be worth less than a sack of donkey shit.

At least you kin fert yer garden with donkey shit.....

That's interesting since there was a recent instance of national financial collapse, where gold was (and still is) a sought after and valid medium of exchange, that prove you 100% wrong.

It's mentioned a few times in this article:
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_02/meyer012502.html

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

not gonna keep getting the thread away from the original point.

 

[Pythagllio]

Well I'm 48 years old and I've been hearing this end of the world nonsense since I was 16. I promise you that the country was in much worse shape in the 1970s. Today's economic crisis will pass. If it floats your boat to worry about silly, farfetched thing by all means do, but I've been much better served by being an optimist.

 

[Mr. Freeman]

Well I'm 48 years old and I've been hearing this end of the world nonsense since I was 16. I promise you that the country was in much worse shape in the 1970s. Today's economic crisis will pass. If it floats your boat to worry about silly, farfetched thing by all means do, but I've been much better served by being an optimist.

I agree. But I also agree being safe than sorry. Hope you are right.

Peace

 

[Botanist]

ya know. Its bad to say but i see this as a good thing. Life will be harder but it will make people get back to nature. We will have to grow food and work with are neighbors and loved ones. I think you will see a dramatic change for the better but the 1st decade or 2 may be very hard. Help your friends and family and we will all be ok

 

[wantaknow]

i have some military body armor for trade

 

[DrHydro]

I agree. But I also agree being safe than sorry. Hope you are right.

Peace

Thats how i feel about it..

 

[forehead]

This all has my wondering ....how many growers could stay afloat without stores to buy gear?

 

[Botanist]

when the government is insolvent you will have no problem growing outside in plain daylight. The products that can be made from hemp will become of more importance then the people who are afraid someone may smoke it.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Glad someone liked the victorian farm. Quite a good series I thought although I am yet to finish them all.

I think gold is a good commodity to have, but only inasmuch as it will provide one with a sound footing should the current infrastructure fail and then a new one take its place rather than chaos.

I also really don't trust banks or governments with my capital so it is a good way to horde something which can be used later. It's also a tremendous way to legitimise money where one might otherwise have issues explaining it's origins.

It's a really good way of storing money for a rainy day.

Gold on its own is useless, but every one of us, in my opinion, should be including a long term plan for storage of such valuta, even if it is only a small amount for emergencies. It should not affect our other plans at all. Our (or at least my) thinking here is be prepared for whatever comes along but does not kill one.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

This all has my wondering ....how many growers could stay afloat without stores to buy gear?

It would be pretty tough for indoor growers, especially hydro. Its something Ive thought about as well. Its a good reason to have a bunch of spare bulbs, stash of rooting medium and a couple gallon jugs of GH 3-part since it doesnt spoil. As long as the power and water stays on, that would be all you really need.

 

[NOKUY]

It would be pretty tough for indoor growers, especially hydro. Its something Ive thought about as well. Its a good reason to have a bunch of spare bulbs, stash of rooting medium and a couple gallon jugs of GH 3-part since it doesnt spoil. As long as the power and water stays on, that would be all you really need.

diesel genny ....converted to run on bio-diesel, and either run hemp-seed oil bio or soy bio.

also use solar, wind, and hydro power as much as possible.

right now i work using lots of solar power because i'm doing natural gas measurment, and our meters are all solar powered...im configuring solar panels, and batteries, and solar chargers all day ....dont think for a second that i'm not taking this lightly.

 

[forehead]

compost ,sunlight and water is all ya need once ya got it figured out,In urban areas it would be all but impossible.

 

[jsmith1970]

This is good to know.
Thanks for the information.

 

[ROJO145]

Glad someone liked the victorian farm. Quite a good series I thought although I am yet to finish them all.

Hell Yeah CaptainStoner!!Good call bro,I absolutely loved it,I just finished season 1 episode 6,I cant believe they left the farm,it would make a killer series.They got a book too and the dvd as soon as I can grab them here in the states imma do it. for you!!

 

[NOKUY]

If Old Mother Hubbard had had a food storage program before she went to her cupboard her poor dog would have gotten his bone. Given the fact that her cupboard was bare it was probably because she didn’t have the wherewithal to fill it. Finding the resources to put food by against troubled times is a common problem, but it is solvable, even for those of us on tight budgets. In fact, over the long term, the food storage program you start now will save you money. It is like starting a savings account. You earn interest through greater savings in your grocery budget.



Despite what many believe, you don’t have to spend large amounts of money on specially packaged foods to put away a sizable food store. You certainly can do this if you like, but what you’re doing is trading money (and a good deal of it) to save effort and time. Turn that equation around and you can save a lot of money if you’re willing to spend a bit more time and effort to get what you want.

Depending on what you decide is important to you, everything you will need for a complete food storage program can be had from your local grocer and, perhaps, some other local businesses.


Preparing for what?
Before buying anything you should sit down at the kitchen table with paper and pencil because you have some decision making to do. Ideally, everyone who’ll be depending on the food storage should be at the table as well, but the person who will be responsible for the program can do it alone, if necessary.

Your first decision to make is “what are you storing food for?” What situations and circumstances do you think might occur which would cause you to need your food stores and prevent you from easily being able to get more? Make a list of everything that occurs to you which you think has some significant probability of happening. Just jot them all down as they come to you and then on another sheet reorder them according to how likely you think they are to occur. While you are doing this, make a note beside each one of whether or not you will have some means of cooking or preparing food should it come about. You’d really hate to have stored away hundreds of pounds of food only to find yourself with no way to make it into a meal. This process is called “scenario planning.”

Once you have your list, write next to each scenario the length of time you feel it might last. Chances are, the situations that will concern you most are weather related and some of the more common man-made disasters, but may also cover long term unemployment, severe economic depression, war or civil insurrection, or threats even more exotic.

Now that you have a list of probable scenarios and the length of time you think each may last, you are ready to plot the course of your program. Plan your food purchases to meet the needs of the shortest duration scenarios on your list first. As you accomplish each goal set your sights on the next longest and work towards covering that one. In this way you are steadily preparing for one scenario after another while making progress towards your ultimate goal of meeting the needs of your longest lasting concerns.


How do I pay for it?
Right off the bat, I want to say where you should not get the money to pay for your food storage and that is by running up debt. This means that you should not put your food purchases on credit cards. The money lost to credit card interest rates is self-defeating in the long run and will just get you further into a problem rather than getting you out of it. If you are the type who can and does pay off their credit card purchases every month when the bill comes due, then using one might be a real convenience; otherwise it’s a temptation to be avoided.

FOODSTUFF QUANTITY/PRICE
white rice 5 lbs./$1.79
10 lbs./$3.45
20 lbs./$6.90
Tang
(Makes six quarts) 21 oz./$2.99
white sugar 5lbs./$1.99
powdered milk 25.6 ozs./$4.39
([email protected]./qt.)
64 ozs./$9.99
([email protected] oz./qt.)
canned carrots 14.5 oz. can/50¢
canned pumpkin 15 oz. can/$1.09
pinto beans 2 lbs./$1.00
10 lbs./$4.49
all purpose flour 10 lbs./$2.10
5 lbs./$1.19
vegetable shortening 5 lbs./$2.39
canned tuna 6 oz. can/50¢
canned spinach 13.5 oz can/69¢
canned turnip,
kale, mustard or
collard greens 14 oz. can/50¢


Fortunately, the financial outlay need not be so great that you must spend your children’s college fund or sacrifice your retirement account. With a little forethought and research it might be so little as to represent the family foregoing one restaurant meal a month or renting a video to watch at home rather than paying full admission to see a first run film at the theater.

As a matter of fact, unless you are compelled by special circumstances to do otherwise, you are better off to not spend a lot of money at first. Like many other long term projects, there is a learning curve involved with building a good food storage program. Your initial purchases will most likely be small while you’re learning more about what you need to do. In this way you are less likely to make expensive mistakes that will have to be corrected later.

If you can afford to spare as little as ten dollars a week then you can make a solid beginning in putting food by against time of need. Just today I made a trip to one of my larger local supermarkets, Albertson’s, and wrote down a few prices. (See table.)

Rice, flour, beans, milk, sugar, shortening, Tang, canned greens, carrots, pumpkin, and tuna will make for a pretty bland diet, but for only $40 and a month’s time it will give you a solid start on a good program. In the second month you can begin to expand the variety of foods in your program.

The specific types and amounts of food I’ve listed are not meant as rigid rules, but as illustrations of what can be done. Your personal tastes and the circumstances of the scenarios you’ll be planning for are what should determine your specific purchases. It is important to only purchase those foods you are presently already eating or are willing to learn to eat starting as soon as you purchase it. Otherwise, there will be the temptation to leave it in its container and not use it. This is bad planning because it leads to failure to rotate the foods out in a timely fashion as they age or lose nutritional content and palatability. By not using the foods in your storage program you also do not get the experience of how to make them into tasty, attractive meals your family will want to eat. This will leave you at a severe disadvantage when the crunch comes and what’s in your larder is all you’re going to get.

As I cover each purchase I’ll give some considerations you should think about such as: If you don’t foresee having a way to bake bread, then buying a lot of flour might not make much sense, but you might make flat breads instead or learn to do your baking in a Dutch oven. If some of your short term plans call for removing to another location on short notice, then the food for that part of your planning needs to be of a type that can be eaten with little preparation or cooking being required. If safe water will be in short supply, then foods that require a lot of it to prepare them might not be a good idea.

The foods that I have chosen all have excellent storage characteristics for the short to medium term, up to about two years. Detailed information and instructions on storing foods may be found in my Prudent Food Storage FAQ. If you have Internet access you may download a copy free from the Providence Cooperative web site at http://www.providenceco-op.com or from one of the host sites that also carry it. Many of them may be found by searching on the term “prudent food storage” using most any search engine.


The first week
Your first $10 storage food purchase buys 10 pounds of rice, 2 pounds of beans, a jar of Tang, and 5 pounds of vegetable shortening. The 17 cents change is carried over into the next week.

This amount of rice and beans gives a ratio of 5:1, a perfectly acceptable essential amino acid balance (commonly called “making a complete protein”) for most healthy adults. An extra $3.45 expenditure will double the amount of rice and another $3.49 will buy five times the amount of beans. Purchasing the rice and beans first means you have food that can be made edible with no other foods having to be added to them and needing no preparation other than boiling. If cooking fuel is short, split peas, lentils, and black eyed peas cook quickly. Pre-soaking and/or pressure cooking is even more economical.

The Tang orange drink provides 100% of the US RDA vitamin C requirement in every 8 oz. glass (6 qts. = 24 8-ounce glasses), lesser amounts of other important nutrients such as vitamin A as well as some sweet taste since we have not yet bought anything else with sugar in it. Vitamins A, C, and D are the major nutrients typically lacking in most storage foods. Don’t assume that any drink mix or canned juice has vitamin C in it. Read the nutritional facts label on the side closely to see what the manufacturer claims it contains. An appalling number of juice products, even some canned citrus juices, claim no vitamin C content at all.

The last purchase is the can of vegetable shortening. Fat is actually a necessary nutritional component even if we do tend to eat too much of it in the present day U.S. The shortening allows you to make foods such as biscuits, fry breads, refried beans, pancakes, fried rice and pan breads, and contributes flavor. In a survival diet, fat is an important source of vital calories. This is an important consideration for small children, pregnant women, the elderly, and the ill who might otherwise have trouble eating enough bulky beans, rice, etc., to gain sufficient calories to stave off weight loss and possible malnutrition.


The second week
Your second $10 nets you 20 pounds of all purpose white flour, 5 pounds of granulated white sugar, 3 cans of carrots, and 3 cans of spinach. The 24 cents left over is carried over into the next week.

You now can make bread to give some variety to your rice and bean diet. If you don’t have any store-bought yeast to raise your bread, you can do what your pioneer forebearers did and learn to make “sourdoughs” to leaven it. If you have a grain mill or can acquire one then you may be able to find a local source of whole grains at a reasonable price to supplement or replace the white flour. The sugar allows you to make sweet breads, puddings from the flour or rice, adds calories, and greatly contributes to taste.

Of all the canned vegetables to be had from the grocer the dark green and the orange vegetables give the most nutritional value for the money. Canned greens such as turnip, mustard, collards, spinach, and kale range in value from 50-110% of the RDA of the important nutrient vitamin A (in the form of carotene) per half-cup serving. Many of them also include a fair amount of calcium and vitamin C as well. The carrots have 100% RDA of Vitamin A per half-cup.


The third week
The third ten spot buys you the 64 oz. box of dry milk. The slim remaining penny is carried over into the next week.

Sixty-four ounces of non-fat dry milk will make 20 quarts of skim milk to provide essential amino acids, necessary calcium, along with vitamin D (30% of the RDA of calcium and 25% of vitamin D per 8 oz. glass of reconstituted milk). Unlike fresh liquid milk, the dry powder is shelf stable and can be stored for long periods of time. It may be drunk as straight milk or used to enhance dishes made from the ingredients purchased in the other weeks. Dry milk can also be used to make excellent yogurt and even non-fat cheese.


The fourth week
Your last purchase of the first month’s cycle brings in 10 cans of tuna, 2 cans of pumpkin, and 5 cans of turnip, mustard, kale or collard greens. The remaining 32 cents is added to the surplus from the prior weeks, now totaling 74 cents.

Although the grain, beans, and milk provide all necessary amino acids, most of us will rebel at a purely vegetarian diet, so at least a little meat three or four days out of a week can go a long way towards making matters tolerable. Other canned meats can be substituted, but as a general rule tuna is leanest and cheapest per ounce. Beware of paying canned meat prices for fillers like pasta, rice, or potatoes. They can be added much more cheaply after the fact rather than buying them already in the can with the meat.

The pumpkin (plain solid pack, not pie filling) can be used like any winter squash, carrots, or sweet potatoes and carries a tremendous amount of vitamin A in the form of carotene (300% of the RDA per half-cup). A friend of mine has developed a pumpkin biscuit that I’ve grown quite fond of. It makes a good baked dish and is very versatile in casseroles, soufflés, puddings, and as either a sweet or savory vegetable. There’s more to pumpkin than pies.

The 74 cents left over seems trivial but it will buy 2 1-pound cartons of iodized table salt, or yeast to make bread with, or baking soda for leavening and other uses, or a small can of pepper to season food. You can also hold it over to combine into the next month’s surplus.

The purchasing cycle could be repeated month to month until you reach the amounts you desire, or varied to broaden the selection in your cupboard.

If you can afford to use the economies of scale that making larger bulk purchases gives you, then the price per pound of the foods you buy will drop considerably. By taking advantage of sales, bulk food outlets, warehouse groceries such as Sam’s Club and Costco, local restaurant and institutional food suppliers, or ethnic grocers (Asian, Hispanic, etc.) you will do considerably better than what I’ve outlined above.

If you have the time and resources available to you, much of the fruit and vegetable portion of your storage program can be economically acquired by growing it yourself. Not only do you get wholesome food, but by putting it up yourself you get exactly what you want in the way that you want it. If being frugal is of paramount importance though, growing your own will need some careful analysis to be certain you’re not spending more in time, labor, and equipment than the value of the food will make up for. This is especially true when it comes to food preservation, but you can at least partially offset this by choosing appropriate preservation methods. Pressure canning requires quite a bit of expensive startup equipment (canner, jars, lids, rings, etc.) which may make the operation uneconomical. However, if you dry the food instead you can often do this at a much lower cost.

One area of home preservation that generally will be worthwhile to do yourself is canned meats. Beef, pork, and chicken often go on sale and can be had for quite reasonable prices, so even with the price of the jars and equipment necessary to process it, home canned meat will usually be cheaper per pound than any commercially canned meat of equivalent quality.

There are two cardinal rules of successful food storage: The first is store what you eat and eat what you store. The second is to rotate, Rotate, ROTATE! Follow them always, keep a watchful eye on your local grocer’s offerings, and be willing to make a moderate investment of time and effort. Do this and you’ll have a successful food storage program that your family will look forward to eating in good times or bad without sacrificing your financial well being to get it.

 

[mpd]

Man, I'm flush right now so I can't see us going for the turnip anything.

Keep up the skeer!

 

[SevenSeeds]

None of you know what will happen in 2012, The Mayan predictions in there calenders will mostlikely be correct, but to what degree will we see it on earth? Who knows...I'm doing the same shit, even all those you listed....What else would I do? Just hope for the best and stear clear of the bad...