Are you an OathKeeper?

[Mr. Bongjangles]

Um? How about you chill out Mr. Bojangles? No one said "this is happening April 1st OMG", Citigroup said that starting April 1st, they reserve the right to do this at their discretion. Does that mean it will be April 1st? No. Of course not. Probably months down the line, but we'll see.

You don't think the feds handing down this order is at least noteworthy?

Get real, dude.

LOL - *YOU* said the feds ordered it for all banks, and specified April 1st. Quoted in my first post in case you forgot.

When in reality, as you clarified later, you just think "something fishy" is going on.

Isn't even the feds.. The "news" is based on Citibank telling their customers about the federal policy that has been in place for decades.

Real news? What you're doing is taking a small insignificant bit of news, and twisting it into something much more severe, fear mongering as it's known, and stating your wild assumptions as though they were fact.

You're free to start all the threads you want about whatever crazy thing you're worried about, but if you want to make statements of fact, as you did above, prepare to get called out when they are not true.

This isn't your little oathkeepers militia club or whatever, so don't expect everyone to just accept your bs ramblings as fact.

 

[El Toker]

Are there any political groups in the USA that say they don't want to protect the constitution? Why do they need be part of a special group to act on a belief that most of their colleagues will share. From what I've seen, most Americans are patriotic and believe in their system of government. Why is there a need for a "super patriotic" brotherhood in the military and the police?

In a democracy it is very important that Armed forces and the police answer directly to democratically elected representatives of the people.

If the military and the police start making their own independent decisions on policy then it is no longer a democracy, it's become a police state.

This group seem to be saying that they will subvert democracy in order to protect their interpretation of the constitution.

Technically it could be classed as mutiny and treason.

Not that it's any of my business.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Are there any political groups in the USA that say they don't want to protect the constitution? As I understand it the constitution is a means of maintaining a democracy not an alternative to it.

In a democracy it is very important that Armed forces and the police answer directly to democratically elected representatives of the people.

If the military and the police start making their own independent decisions on policy then it is no longer a democracy, it's become a police state.

#1- The Constitution was meant to protect the Republic not democracy. Any political scientist will tell you Democracy's always fail. They are unsustainable government system (what isn't though?)

#2- The Military has answered to the Commander in Chief (President) since WWII. Congress has the only Constitutional authority to declare war. They are now called "conflicts." See how easy that was. Now I can go wage war without your permission.

#3- See #2 for what a Police State looks like.

 

[MarquisBlack]

LOL - *YOU* said the feds ordered it for all banks, and specified April 1st. Quoted in my first post in case you forgot.

When in reality, as you clarified later, you just think "something fishy" is going on.

Isn't even the feds.. The "news" is based on Citibank telling their customers about the federal policy that has been in place for decades.

Real news? What you're doing is taking a small insignificant bit of news, and twisting it into something much more severe, fear mongering as it's known, and stating your wild assumptions as though they were fact.

You're free to start all the threads you want about whatever crazy thing you're worried about, but if you want to make statements of fact, as you did above, prepare to get called out when they are not true.

This isn't your little oathkeepers militia club or whatever, so don't expect everyone to just accept your bs ramblings as fact.

Dude, chill out. I paraphrased the headline I was reading at the time. I'm not the only person who read that and thought "bank runs". Not by a long shot.

Your criticism is fair, but you're being a real twat about it.

And this is NEWS, if the policy were already in effect, why are they stating "effective April 1st"? I've gone as far as to look at Citi's customer policy terms and this 7 day restriction WAS outlined (as recently as January, 2010), so why the "reminder" and the "effective" date? Explain that to me.

BTW, I am not a member of the "Oath Keepers". I'd like to make that clear to everyone. I am a former member of the Armed Forces, and a concerned citizen. I like to see members of military and law-enforcement distance themselves from the Federal Government, if only symbolically.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Here is your "all day" (ie all day long) No Doc, "liar loans" about to reset. Remember how f'ed up things got when the subprime mortages reset? This will be worse because we are already in the hole and if you thought the subprime lending was criminal these loans are really going to piss you off.

The commercial sector reset on the toxic derivatives is just starting to take place.

This isn't fear mongering. It's called economics.

 

[missourikush]

these people are nothing more then a racist group of nuts. I pray that these kooks disobey their military superiors I'll be the first to visit them in levenworth kansas. these kooks should have been around and disobeyed bush lol

 

[demasoni]

My first taste of what collapse could mean was when I read "The Ominous Parallels" by Leonard Peikoff. At one point in the book he describes the hyper-inflation of Germany and the pandemonium that followed. I suggest that anyone who is interested in the topic take a good hard look at Weimar-Republic Germany leading up to the advent of the Nazis. It's fucking terrifying.

Weimer-republic germany, exactly. It is terrifying its so similar, so similar its almost as though its being used as a current model, right down to suppressive propaganda advocating a docile and dependent "civilian" state of mind. full reliance on a federal government in the sense of Chief of staff > military > civilians, ultimate full compliance by civilians to martial law, scary. Hopefully "they" realize that would entail going to war against a large percent of the US population.

 

[missourikush]

none of you people gave a damn about the constitution until obama became president and you started looking at fox news!

 

[MarquisBlack]

The commercial sector reset on the toxic derivatives is just starting to take place.

When you say "reset", what do you mean?

Is that just when adjustable interest rates change?

Or is it when interest rates cause mortgage payments to rise, putting people and businesses who were "subprime" over the edge into default? Then the Fed monetizes this debt causing inflation?

I've got no history in economics. Trying to learn what I can.

 

[MarquisBlack]

none of you people gave a damn about the constitution until obama became president and you started looking at fox news!

Oh yes they did, but there was no "Hope" in the air then. Please stop with your sweeping generalizations.

I've never watched Fox News outside of Youtube.

 

[SpasticGramps]

When you say "reset", what do you mean?

Is that just when adjustable interest rates change?

Yep, that's where all these assholes who took out loans at 3% and had a $800/month note. That they could barely afford or couldn't afford.

Not even thinking about what it will be when the interest rate resets to 5-6-7-8% and their note is now $1,200-1,600/month. Something they could have never afforded in the first place. Every few years the interest rate resets or rises making the mortgage payments significantly more.

FREE HOUSES FOR EVERYONE!! YOU ARE AN AMERICAN AND DESERVE ONE!!! So says Barney Frank. Of course this is all bullshit economics.

The illusion of prosperity.

none of you people gave a damn about the constitution until obama became president and you started looking at fox news!

Simply not true. Watch those Assumptions. You'll make an ASS out of U and mption.

 

[MarquisBlack]

I'd also like to point out that Fox News has been the main engine in the demonization of the Oath Keepers.

 

[cork144]

none of you people gave a damn about the constitution until obama became president and you started looking at fox news!

its not that they didnt give a dam, its that they barely teach american kids what it means anymore and everybody had taken the freedoms that constituion gave them for graunted.

 

[SpasticGramps]

I'd also like to point out that Fox News has been the main engine in the demonization of the Oath Keepers.

Like I said bro. We are going to branded loony tunes for even thinking this kind of stuff, but have comfort in knowing that that is perfectly normal for collapsing states and economies. Some wake up and some do not.

It naturally tears people apart because many do not even want to think about what Game Over means for them. It will be very, very prevalent in the United States because of "American Exceptionalism." (IE We think we are better than everyone else). People do not want to worry about restructing fianances so that they are safe because to do so would be to admit there is danger ahead. Just in case even.

It's easier just ignore what's going on and call everyone crazy.

 

[bombadil.360]

ok, since I'm not american, I have one question: if the military answer to the president, and the president is supposed to represent the people's choice, then when the military answer to the president, aren't they also answering to the people?

 

[SuperSizeMe]

This is from the Huffington Post.

Commercial Real Estate Crash Would Cripple U.S. Banks

1+1=2

The same casino gambling derivative game that happened in the residential market took place in the commercial sector. Especially, between 2005-2008 where many commercial properties where refinaced to these new AWESOME loans. Unfortunately there is no money to pay these loans. The commercial collapse is the end game.

One or two of these events happening equates to an isolated economic event. All of them happening at once equals Game Over.

Actually, the hedgefund players were next....ask me how I know.

Like the bottom fell out, literally.

 

[MarquisBlack]

ok, since I'm not american, I have one question: if the military answer to the president, and the president is supposed to represent the people's choice, then when the military answer to the president, aren't they also answering to the people?

It's the beauty of America. As has been said before, we are not just a "democracy". Democracy would have that pit-fall, though, you are right.

However, the Constitution exists to maintain the Republic. We have our men and women in Uniform swear their Oath ultimately to the Constitution, because elected leaders do not always represent those that elected them. In the Army they teach you this, but tell you to exercise caution in "disobeying an unlawful order", because you will have to justify your actions in front of a Court Martial.

Here's an old saying that demonstrates the flaw of a "Democracy"...

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

 

[SpasticGramps]

ok, since I'm not american, I have one question: if the military answer to the president, and the president is supposed to represent the people's choice, then when the military answer to the president, aren't they also answering to the people?

The Congress is the balance to the President's power. The Congress is much more heavily influenced by the American People. That's why they were the only branch given the power to declare war and use the military.

The President is elected for 4-8 years and gets to basically do what he wants now.

This is a direct violation of the Separation of Powers and it is the reason that America is overseas killing everyone and installing puppet governments. It's a pseudo-military dictatorship begotten from the apathy of the American people.

Again, the Constitution was supposed to stop this.

 

[SpasticGramps]

these people are nothing more then a racist group of nuts.

You better be prepared to defend that statement.

Another thing I find interesting. Is if we are all crazy, where is the rebuttal to anything I have put forth? Where is your counter argument? Or are we just going to throw derogatory assumptions around like a bunch of clowns?

EDIT: I'm the one making assumptions. DOH!

 

[MarquisBlack]

Lol, I'm a white boy myself. Glad I came off as black, though, hahaha! (I'm assuming we're referring to the I am a motherfucker thread)

I do listen to hip-hop, though, does that count?

He counts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyaxEwOrUyY

"We cannot base our sovereignty on a man, or the mission of a man."