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YosemiteSam
Looking fantastic I would say and I think you got it right...nice growing. It is literally amazing what extra (compared to other bottle nutes) Ca can do for a grow.
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any kiss users have exp. with veg+bloom
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netprophet
Member
word up brother, It's so much more enjoyable the simpler it is. I had a questions for you man, you seem well educated in the arts, I have these 6" rockwool blocks these plants are in... they are packed with roots... I mean solid... will this reduce my yield because of the lack of root space? I'm thinking they are nugging up real tight a little early and I think thats why... no sweat if you don't know, just wondering..
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YosemiteSam
Gotta be honest...I have no clue. I am a coco or peat grower.
The more often you can feed the better. RW does not allow for a rapid flood cycle.
My grow method uses Air Pots + lava rocks. I adjust flood cycles depending on guesstimated root size. In veg I flood ~ every hour, late veg/early flower 30 minutes, now in mid flower, I flood every 20 minutes during lights on.
ppms went from 400 in veg to 600 during early sexing, 800 in early flower, now in mid-flower I just bumped to ~ 1000
netprophet
Member
finsihing up my 3rd run with this stuff and happy 
had an old bud of mine come through and dude shit himself. buds are all over the place at this point, I have some burn so I think I over did it around 4-5th week in... going to run it weaker next time
had an old bud of mine come through and dude shit himself. buds are all over the place at this point, I have some burn so I think I over did it around 4-5th week in... going to run it weaker next time
netprophet
Member
damn high, like 1500ppm at peak. I use a hanna pen at .5 conv. Do you use RO dan? I'm thinking about taking some donation $ from this crop and buying a big ass RO filter and making the switch. I know a few growers out here using the veg n bloom who are producing insaaaanne quality with RO. My tap runs like 300+ppm so I know my roots aren't getting everything I'm giving them .
OOPs yeah that PPM level is with 0 ppm RO water . I'm lovin this shit so far !!! my last run was the best i've ever done . i got 24 off 9 plants under 600's 
one thing i did notice is that my frost level was not as good as i'm used to when using protekt so i started addin it on this round @ 3ml per gallon .
right now at 2 days of flower i'm running the V & B @ 800PPM & don't think i'll go over 1000 till weeks 4 & 5 , & then i'll only go to around 11 or 1200 max ...... 1300 gave me some burn on the last round but not bad , just leaf tips .... no other signs of over feeding .
netprophet ... are you using the hard water formula ??? if you do switch to RO , your going to need the soft water formula .
one thing i did notice is that my frost level was not as good as i'm used to when using protekt so i started addin it on this round @ 3ml per gallon .
right now at 2 days of flower i'm running the V & B @ 800PPM & don't think i'll go over 1000 till weeks 4 & 5 , & then i'll only go to around 11 or 1200 max ...... 1300 gave me some burn on the last round but not bad , just leaf tips .... no other signs of over feeding .
netprophet ... are you using the hard water formula ??? if you do switch to RO , your going to need the soft water formula .
netprophet
Member
I'm hoping to do better with RO but have to say I'm pretty stoked walking in on this every day. I'm gonna chop Monday which is just about 50 days in, under 8 weeks... call me crazy but these things are swollen and sticky... fuk yah!!
netprophet
Member
the finish line
Since I switched to V & B some 4-5 weeks ago (3 different systems running) growth and bud development really took off.
I am uber impressed.
RO Water
Check out Merlin Tankless RO.
Regular (non booster pump assisted), like mine only make ~ 2-3 g per 5+ hours.
I frequently run out of RO water, and so have to be diligent to fill storage buckets every couple days.
The ppm reduction potential is ~ 90% of the tap ppm. BUT with a booster pump, that drops ~ < 5%
Also you want a self cleaning RO that uses RO water to flush the membrane
I am uber impressed.
RO Water
Check out Merlin Tankless RO.
Regular (non booster pump assisted), like mine only make ~ 2-3 g per 5+ hours.
I frequently run out of RO water, and so have to be diligent to fill storage buckets every couple days.
The ppm reduction potential is ~ 90% of the tap ppm. BUT with a booster pump, that drops ~ < 5%
Also you want a self cleaning RO that uses RO water to flush the membrane
Thanks to you, I switched to V & B some 4-5 weeks ago (3 different systems running) growth and bud development really took off.
I am uber impressed.
RO Water
Check out Merlin Tankless RO.
Regular (non booster pump assisted), like mine only make ~ 2-3 g per 5+ hours.
I frequently run out of RO water, and so have to be diligent to fill storage buckets every couple days.
The ppm reduction potential is ~ 90% of the tap ppm, but less with lower water pressure. BUT with a booster pump, that drops ~ < 5%
Also you want a self cleaning RO that uses RO water to flush the membrane
I am uber impressed.
RO Water
Check out Merlin Tankless RO.
Regular (non booster pump assisted), like mine only make ~ 2-3 g per 5+ hours.
I frequently run out of RO water, and so have to be diligent to fill storage buckets every couple days.
The ppm reduction potential is ~ 90% of the tap ppm, but less with lower water pressure. BUT with a booster pump, that drops ~ < 5%
Also you want a self cleaning RO that uses RO water to flush the membrane
problem solved!
I was dumpin it in the bucket, then I would stir... causing major fallout
this time I stirred as I added the powder slowly.. no muck, barely any flakes.... and
ppms went much higher... so the nutes were mostly stickin to my bucket..not helpin the girls
now I'm gonna cut back to 2 tbl per 5 gal
dammn!
I love a happy ending...
mgk
gonzo`
Member
hey guys i used the calculator on cannastats and not sure if i did it right but these are the results with 2 as in the input for mixing units, i assume that means 2 grams which is half a tsp per gallon:
N: 84
P: 23
K: 132
MG: 32
S: 26
CA:95
So that doesn't look much different to H3ad's coco formula of 6/9 mb:
N: 97
P: 60
K: 105
Mg: 41
S: 27
Ca: 97
I guess the biggest difference is the level of P..
N: 84
P: 23
K: 132
MG: 32
S: 26
CA:95
So that doesn't look much different to H3ad's coco formula of 6/9 mb:
N: 97
P: 60
K: 105
Mg: 41
S: 27
Ca: 97
I guess the biggest difference is the level of P..
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YosemiteSam
If you bump the Veg + to 97 ppm N you also get:
27 P
152 K
37 Mg
30 S
110 Ca
The biggest difference is actually the Ca:Mg ratio, 3 for Veg + and 2.3 for H3ad. That is a bigger difference than one might realize. This is the single most important ratio there is imo...after pH control of course.
The other difference is the K...and my personal belief is that H3ad's formula is better cause it will not lock out the Mg.
27 P is plenty although more does not hurt and tends to get used in most formulas because of mkp. I like the Veg + formula cause not having more P than you need allows you to run a lower EC.
I would like to see Veg + remove a little bit of KNO3 and replace the NO3 with even more CaNO3 (or ammoniacal depending on your water sources alkalinity) and some of the K with K2SiO3.
But...overall both formulas are vastly superior to most of the bottled swill sold...imo. And then all you got to ask yourself is does this crazy fucker have any clue at all...I leave that up to you.
edit...and a quick look the numbers don't add up right...to get 37 ppm Mg you are gonna get 50 ppm S...something is wrong with the calc. Also to get 110 Ca from CaNO3 you need 2.3 grams per gallon which gives you 94 ppm N...3 ppm N from KNO3 ain't gonna give you that much K...something is way off.
27 P
152 K
37 Mg
30 S
110 Ca
The biggest difference is actually the Ca:Mg ratio, 3 for Veg + and 2.3 for H3ad. That is a bigger difference than one might realize. This is the single most important ratio there is imo...after pH control of course.
The other difference is the K...and my personal belief is that H3ad's formula is better cause it will not lock out the Mg.
27 P is plenty although more does not hurt and tends to get used in most formulas because of mkp. I like the Veg + formula cause not having more P than you need allows you to run a lower EC.
I would like to see Veg + remove a little bit of KNO3 and replace the NO3 with even more CaNO3 (or ammoniacal depending on your water sources alkalinity) and some of the K with K2SiO3.
But...overall both formulas are vastly superior to most of the bottled swill sold...imo. And then all you got to ask yourself is does this crazy fucker have any clue at all...I leave that up to you.
edit...and a quick look the numbers don't add up right...to get 37 ppm Mg you are gonna get 50 ppm S...something is wrong with the calc. Also to get 110 Ca from CaNO3 you need 2.3 grams per gallon which gives you 94 ppm N...3 ppm N from KNO3 ain't gonna give you that much K...something is way off.
gonzo`
Member
i think any good base nute will work, 6/9 for coco works well for h3ad and he's growing good herb by the sound of it.. i like the simplicity of the veg + bloom..
does anyone besides netprophet have pics coz his pics are the same as other posters on other canna forums under diff names...
does anyone besides netprophet have pics coz his pics are the same as other posters on other canna forums under diff names...
