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sourpuss
Promoting your book and website... and everyones stupid...
Assume your one of those finished college and anyone who didnt is an idiot right? Hope you have a book signing sometime... g low....
So if molasses contains some micro macro nutes... and your not doing organics, whats the sugar do? And no im not gonna go read your dribble. Isnt the sugar useless? 99 percent of the molasses is useless no? So why dont u just use the micro and macro... big scientist like you should be able to isolate and extract what you need no? Or does the sugars also do something... where everyone says sugars r useless in hydro unless the bennys r there to convert to useable stuff... or keep calling me a fool and ill keep up my 12 year old antics BROTHER BUDDY BUD BEST FRIEND
@ sourpuss - mate ... lol grow the fuck up you dick, ya just embarrassing yaself
Promoting your book and website... and everyones stupid...
Your right guys im being idiot. Im done... im stupid.. fucking moron fool is what I am.. sorry glow tbh my anger is coming from life and u set me off callin me stupid cause I wanted to know how to use carboload. Good luck with your book and website... I will fuck off now.
Their base nutes are probably in line with a lot of other companies. I know they based a formula on GH 3 part, and let's face it, all hydro nutes are mostly water, that's just a fact. But, when you look at the whole AN line you have to just look at the product labels of some of the things they sell you realise how they market their stuff. There's absolutely no reason, except one, that 5 or more of those bottles couldn't be combined into one - money.
I've got no agenda, I'm just telling the truth based on what I know and what I've learned over the years. There's only one point of me posting here and that's to share what I know with people who might not.
The simple truth of it, from a completely impartial perspective, is that those bottles are set up for the sole reason of generating as much money as possible from simple mineral elements marketed as individual components in a complex system which, when combined, each give your plant a different thing which will boost your yields.
The truth is, it's a simple matter of marketing. The big bold stickers and overstated claims about what to expect from the products are a worm on a hook. There's very little truth to any of it, if any at all.
Always be dubious when you hear about "secret ingredients"
Always.
The reason nutrient companies market products like this is because by law they're obligated to disclose the minimum amount of mineral elements in a product sold as plant food. But they don't have to disclose things like sugars, or seaweed for example, other than to say they're there. That's why on the side of some AN product you'll see "0.5% magnesium" But the label talks about all the other different things and the benefits of these magic ingredients. The truth is, all you know for sure is in there in any amount, is half a percent of magnesium. The vast majority of the bottle is water, just like you could get out of your tap.
I'd estimate the price of each bottle of that stuff to be less than 50c. That's my honest to god estimate. I'd say maybe as low as 5-10c on a bottle in terms of raw ingredients. The only cost to them is the production of the bottle itself and the stickers to go onto them, and the manufacture and shipment of them. It's an astronomical markup which people are willing to pay because of the way they're advertised.
I honestly hope the laws change and companies have to disclose exactly what is in the bottle, because when/if it does, the floor will fall through on these companies and you will see what they have been selling all along, and most importantly, how cheap those same ingredients are to source elsewhere.
Would anyone like to answer this fool. Molasses provides carbon to bennies - bennies are widely used in hydroponics. You seem to think bennies are only used by organic growers (because you're a dumb shit). Prob is many growers don't understand that bennies need a food source to survive and proliferate in hydroponic nutrient tanks/reservoirs for extended periods of time. Molasses is the best bennie food there is because of high TDN and high carbon. Only it is dangerous shite when morons like you use it because if handled incorrectly you'll contaminate your tank/reservoir with potential pathogens. I.e. it feeds both good and bad bacteria and fungi (try washing the shit off your hands before you put them in the reservoir - there's a tip). Go do some reading ignoramus - you're beyond wasting time on. Here endeth the lesson. Now go throw a temper tanty brat and I'll catch you at the signing.
Alright glow yeah your right hydro users do use bennies me being one of them
but at the same time sourpuss has a point aswell. When using certain hydro nutes you can kill bennies so yeah theirs food there but whats the point if their dead. Heres an analogy alright
" you put a human into a gas chamber but give him food and water to survive. it doesnt matter because other factors killed him before he even got a chance to use the food. "
kind of a brutal analogy but yeah do you get my view ? aha
Like sour puss mentioned the molasses needs to be used by beneficial bacteria or bad bacteria will develop and problems will occur which is why when your making microbial teas they rec. you dont bubble over 72 hrs or bad bacteria will develop. And even being super careful and taking proper precautions bacteria is everywhere microbes all literally everywhere we just arent able to see them and they dont effect us thanks to our bodies microbes. ( microbiology 101 but thats another topic ) so id have to agree with sour puss that I would not put molasses into my rez. as most hydro users keep their rez for up to a week so the chance that bad bacteria will develop is high which is why people always say their rez is shit when they put it in aha
To use molasses in a hydro rez is something you would have to be pretty exp at and a really fine tuning regime in my opinion. I know people who use organics in hydro but they have a really fine tune regime of replacing the rez every 2 days-3 days MAX and other shit they do.
I dont know the details because thats not me. I just use certain beneficials like predators and microbial teas and know that my chem nutes arent there favorite thing which is why I reinoculate every couple of weeks with a tea. So it just depends but the majority of hydro growers I know can agree that beneficials will thrive way better in an organic regime compared to a so called inorganic regime. Thats just plain and simple thats where they came from and how nature works.
End all be all adding molasses just isnt me in a hydro set up and im sure 90% of hydro users will agree with me but if thats you and it works go with it. So sourpuss being a vet wasnt wrong and neither were you just depends on the growers.
PS: you two def lit the fire in this thread with the back and forth posts aha love it
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their quality isn't sub par or watered down if you compare similar products from other lines
AN just produces an extra 12 "additives" and tries to make new growers think they need them
Whether I should use bud candy or epsom is a different argument
but again, if we are going to purchase bottled nutrients these extra additives are useful
If you use them strain specifically it costs much less rather than just adding everything to all strains.
For instance, a specific cut I have likes extra mag early on so rather than adding a calmg supplement, I can add a mag supplement only.
Hey glow, Couple of questions/observations.
"Heterotroph An organism that cannot synthesize its own food and is dependent upon complex organic substances for nutrition"
Do chemical feeds qualify as complex organic sources of nutrition?
Are you not talking specifically about chemoautotrophs?
Chemoautotrophs use inorganic energy sources, such as hydrogen sulfide, elemental sulfur, ferrous iron, molecular hydrogen, and ammonia
How do the two differ in terms of their use of organic & inorganic nutrients? Is it proven that all heterotrophs can feed on inorganic elements such as those in chelated hydroponic feeds?
A question I've had for a few people now though is: What are you trying to achieve by cultivating this bacteria in hydroponic system?
Also, when you say it's a myth that chemical feeds will kill off beneficial bacteria and micro life, are you saying that the concentration of salts in a chemically fed medium has no effect on their numbers?