Amended with Mycorrhizae VS Not

[GrowbagUK]

Here is a good overview of mycorrhizae:
http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/content/59/5/1115.long

Other stuff I have found interesting:
Myco and phosphate-solubizing bacteria
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1389286/?tool=pubmed

Mycos and phosphate transport
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1540331/pdf/hw0016.pdf
http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/MPMI-20-9-1055
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17263776
- Mycos are definite aid in phosphate acquisition from soils BUT...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21143680
- There is evidence mycos are suppressed when the plant has adequate phosphorous

=> the mycos are of most benefit in nutrient poor soils so we can/should feed less
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18346111

This suggests that mycos can control the uptake of nutrients and will only be of most benfit when there is an adequate carbon supply from the plant
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21223336

Temperature and Myco spore colonization:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/wlkhw0ud73130rmx/

Mycos and drought
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19049985
- better colonization under drought conditions

I'm not so sure how effective mycos are with cannabis but I do believe they can be beneficial to organic growers once we fully understand how to get the most out of them.

 

[mg75]

I use Espoma Bio-Tone Starter-Plus. I get good rooting, and this is just the best picture I have on here, they get a lot better.

we also started amending our promix with the epsoma bio-tone starter plus. we picked it up at lowes for around ten bucks. i like the fact that it has organic nutrients in it to support the plant in the long run. pre-charged soiless has always done better with us. we re-use promix which i think benefits from amending it with a product such as the epsoma. a lot of the chain stores are starting to carry beneficial and beneficial friendly soil fertilizers. lots of organic granular as well.
we just picked up a bag of jobe's organics all purpose granular fertilizer which has a "biozome" formula. they list all of the beneficials on the bag. much cheaper than the plant success granular offering at the hydro stores. i believe that our plants are benefiting from the organic fertilizer and beneficials in the amendments.

+1 for epsoma

 

[GrowbagUK]

Epsoma propagule count for endomycorrhizae is very low at 2.64 per gram. Are you certain you can attribute your results to this product alone.

We really need some more research into how well the various products perform in a range of mediums and grow-styles.

Some champion veg growers are reporting success with single species inocculants (applied at 10x doseage early in the season) - less competition between mycos perhaps aids colonization and/or they have selected a species that is particularly suited to their crop?

Here is a study I just found. As with most things - the more you delve into a subject the more complex it becomes
http://e-collection.library.ethz.ch/eserv/eth:420/eth-420-02.pdf

Wish I had space and resources to conduct proper trials.

 

[magiccannabus]

Oh I make absolutely no claims. Just showing that I use it and I get very healthy rooting. My progressive potting technique is also a factor. I have noticed much more stable plants with it than without it though. I also notice I get better aerated compost tea results when I use it as a starter than with just manure, soil, or any other feedstock I have tried. I do not notice anywhere near as much of an improvement with just tossing it in the soil. Either way, I get less deficiencies and they seem to handle hardships better. Don't quote my experience as science by any means though.

 

[mg75]

i think that once you infect the root-zone, the microbes do the job and multiply. we amend the soil and also water with beneficials. one thing we do is feed carbs throughout the plant's life (sweet). i believe that an amended soil or soiless medium with granular organic nutrients does better than the one without.

 

[GrowbagUK]

I don't doubt that you are getting good results but I do question whether that is down to mycorrhizae, the organic ferts they are mixed with or the ACT you apply.

From what I understand, mycos don't flourish in ACT and far better results are obtained by applying direct to the roots. ACT are great for other beneficial microorganisms though

Mycos are distinct from many other beneficial microbes because they have a symbiotic relationship with their host plant. They obtain their carbs direct from the plant and provide nutrients in return (extracted from places the plant roots cannot penetrate). I dont think adding carbs to the feed is going to benefit the myco-plant relationship

 

[supermanlives]

i am gonna try a test too. the soil and ferts i have both have em added but i never saw any diff from regular soil. i tried plant success long ago. got a bag of some diff stuff.

 

[magiccannabus]

I add my inoculates to the soil mix and to the tea bag, so they are definitely getting root contact.

 

[Vampire]

wow lots a good info here thanks; ima using aurora coco (first time) and read that it contains its own innoculant agent so i didn't add any. Coco fiber is said to deter mites and bugs with clones along with its other benefits for an enhanced grow.

 

[Ise]

How many of you folks use mycogrow from fungiperfectidotcom, specifically the one for veggies that only contains endomycorrhizae, the only kind you should be using on cannabis? This is paul stamets company.

Peace
Ise

 

[EarthElf]

High

High

wow lots a good info here thanks

 

[SKAGITMAGIC]

My Anniversary

My Anniversary

I got busted for indoor cultivation 46 years ago tommorow, friggen front page news lol,, wasn;t funny then!!!! The thought of going to jail in Alameda County scares the shit out of me!! San Leandro Morning news 3/30/1966!!!

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

I got busted for indoor cultivation 46 years ago tommorow, friggen front page news lol,, wasn;t funny then!!!! The thought of going to jail in Alameda County scares the shit out of me!! San Leandro Morning news 3/30/1966!!!

That is friggin awesome man! A true survivor and you shut the fuck up.

"Lee would not say anything about where he got the seeds" lol. I know it's not awesome to get busted but man you were doin this in 66...that's phenomenal. I'd love a larger photo to print and hang on my wall of that article.

 

[Madjag]

Happy Anniversary

Happy Anniversary

1966 is early - you are probably one of the first growers in Cali or for that matter in the whole USA to hit the news in 1966. And I thought I was Old School buying my first J in 1967.

May you always be free.

Madjag

I got busted for indoor cultivation 46 years ago tommorow, friggen front page news lol,, wasn;t funny then!!!! The thought of going to jail in Alameda County scares the shit out of me!! San Leandro Morning news 3/30/1966!!!

 

[supermanlives]

well i added some to my soil mix for cloning. i also used some on some plants i am trying to reveg

 

[SKAGITMAGIC]

Thanks Madjag, I just got turned in for being over my limit, !!

 

[MrSterling]

Jeesus! That's quite a front page news story to have, especially in '66! Glad you're still growing!

 

[SKAGITMAGIC]

Got new Digs

Got new Digs

I mixin some new soil and getting back to work, I'm gonna go with a local company called HINDRIKUS, its all micro active and carry a full line of amendments.also Gonna do a 10 plant outdoor grow inside a o0ld costco garage frame, redone with clear plastic!! I moved back down to cali for a couple months, to much, to fast, I'm headed back home to Puget sound!!

 

[shiftgro]

Is that it?
What a great thread thanks everyone for your time and experiences.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Great thread... Thankz for the share..