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AirPots vs regular cups/pots

Phychotron

Member
nice read, I've been standing up for the airpots in another thread.

I think they're great, they take a little while to get used to filling and watering them, but once you get it down they are nice to have around. good roots, easy transplanting, rigid containers allow for easy movement, whereas bags have left me with a big crack across the top of the soil when moving them or setting them down on an uneven surface/over an edge... usually making a 'root ripping' sound. Cleanup is a breeze, a quick rinse then a little bit of soapy water and a nylon brush, whereas bags either need to be scrubbed or run through a washing machine, which i dont want to pay to use at the laundry mat for, nor if I owned a machine would i want to run plant fertilzers in the same one i wash my clothes with.

I use the 1L 'air cells' to veg clones from the aerocloner before moving them to larger pots. I use autopots mostly, but have a few 1.5gallon airpots hanging around for random plants. I keep those 2-3 feet, usually 2-3oz per plant. I usually go with sunshine #4, but just put a blackberry in the 1.5g with coco/perlite for the first time. I got a 3pack of mini blumats and stuck 2 in with it, hopefull it will keep up with the watering.

I've got 2 mother plants in an aircell that were 2' tall and almost died (leaves completely wilted) cause I couldn't keep up with watering it ever 15 hours. I was giving it water only for awhile every two days and then with some fertilizer and all of a sudden it shot up and needed to be watered twice a day. They both survived, one is going to be a mother, the other is a pheno that i wanted to get rid of and flower it in the aircell. I trimmed it back the other day, so i'm going to let it recover, and i'll throw a blumat mini in it and see how it does.


with bonzai you stunt the plants growth by cutting back it's pre existing root mass and leaving an undersized root mass to support the plant, with air cells it allows the roots to continuously grow, it just diverts root growth to another location when it reaches the edges. The roots in the airpots tend to be very fine, fairly even and dense, like dawn patrol posted above.

Oh, and those undersized bottoms, could you just wrap the airpot one hole tighter? I keep the bottom on the second ring up, first if i plan on bottom feeding.

If you have space concerns, its important to note that they have 2 sizes per diameter, check out the airpots page at rogue hydro you'll notice that there is a short and a tall for each color bottom. So you might want the taller 4.6g instead of the larger footprint 5.2g if you want to pack them in a little more, or if your getting the 5.2g you might opt for the taller 6.5g and not fill it up as much and have the option of going with more, since it's the same footprint.
 

budseyeveiw

Member
If you think about it from the plant's perspective, they're not that different. When the root is stopped from going deeper, the plant will branch more and stretch less..... Even with clones, if you trim the roots before transplant, evening them up, the plant will tend more toward bushiness than it would have. It's why the airpots work real well for growing sativas and hybrids indoors.


thats kind of what i think. a plant can not tell the difference wether its roots been cut or dried/ killed/whatever. but im thinking that it could possibly handy with mother so you wouldnt have to prune roots. but then thinking into it, the roots will surely after an extended time, still bunch up somewhere, i mean the holes are gonna be plugged up with roots at somepoint even if its by the pruned roots which have already grown through the holes if you get me.
 
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dramamine

thats kind of what i think. a plant can not tell the difference wether its roots been cut or dried/ killed/whatever. but im thinking that it could possibly handy with mother so you wouldnt have to prune roots. but then thinking into it, the roots will surely after an extended time, still bunch up somewhere, i mean the holes are gonna be plugged up with roots at somepoint even if its by the pruned roots which have already grown through the holes if you get me.


The deeper the roots can go, the taller the plant will tend to become. That's why people sometimes use small pots to control stretch and hasten bloom in sativas. So root-binding to control stretch....but with an airpot, the roots are trimmed instead of bound. It's a big difference and allows the roots to use the entire space within the pot, while still controlling height to a degree.

A mother can be fine for a very long time in a small airpot.
 

joedogsong

Member
Thanks for the comp. but you cant really compare with seed plants.

That was mentioned at the beginning of the thread and why I stated that I'm looking for trends.

If you look at the comparison of the 2 big sour bubbles they are identical clones from the same mother. Timing, nutes, media, all the same. Personally, I don't think the big airpot is doing all that much better than the smaller regular pot. The final comparison will be when it's all said and done.

What I see is that the roots don't bunch up but they get really thick as the root goes back to the stem. Many of the roots do not go out to the holes but actually avoid going out the hole to get pruned. I find them following the bumpy pot but not going out to get airpruned.

What I have started next is 14 air pots and 14 regular 1 gal pots with clones from the 2 Sour Bub's. Of course, pictures to follow.:artist:
 

Phychotron

Member
i've never had roots protrude out of the holes, just the bottoms. They are pruned on the inside of the holes, as the medium dries and pulls away from the container slightly it allows for more air flow. All the magic happens inside the pot and you get a dense mat of fine roots all over creation.
 

budseyeveiw

Member
i've never had roots protrude out of the holes, just the bottoms. They are pruned on the inside of the holes, as the medium dries and pulls away from the container slightly it allows for more air flow. All the magic happens inside the pot and you get a dense mat of fine roots all over creation.


interesting. they do sound good.
 

HellaFella420

Active member
Veteran
more people should use a wetting agent when watering,, really improves the porosity of the soil,,



Your not incorrect, just mebbe using the wrong terminology.


Porosity is related to soil structure and your not gonna be changing that with chemicals, its a function of the physical components of materials IN the soil.

Wetting agents just change surface tension and the CEC of the substrate.

(its been like 6 years since i got my cert in Organic Agriculture, I hope I'm remembering and relaying that correctly...!)
 

WaterDude

Member
Howdy Joe

Howdy Joe

Thanks for the side by side!! I heard about these and purchased some to test, normally I grow hydro for the prime reason I SUCK at growing with dirt in containers. The basic problem is over watering (I think) when I saw airpots I said BINGO!!!! This side by side is perfect and something I will be doing the difference for my test will be soil types specific to root pots. 5 pots each of 4 different types of soil all with the same variety, I don't like cloning because I really really like diversity but that does hamper empirical side by side testing to some degree (OH WELL). My test is really for me and whether I can get the hang of container soil growing. The other real test of yours that I see is how many peeps have opinions pro or con for products or styles that they've never tried, ya just got to love an open forum for its diversity! GROW ON BROTHER I'll be watching the thread for results good or bad.
 

roll it large

Coco-grower
Veteran
root porn 6ltr airpot
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few grams short of 7 zips from this plant grown in a 6ltr airpot

al never grow in a different pot again:biggrin:
 
Just my 2 cents but both the hard plastic air-prune pots and the smart fabric type pots have little to no positive effect on marijuana plants. Indoors. I just used both types of pots last grow, no gain in yield when compared to regular square or round pots.

I don't have photo or video documentation, but I will from now on. So next grow I will again use all four types of pots; regular round, regular square, smart and hard air-prune as I have all four types. I will choose two strains to run in a total of 6 pots and compare.

We could go into a whole different discussion here and talk about whether a larger root mass means a larger yield. In my experience a larger root mass DOES NOT mean a larger yield. I've had larger yields of the same strain with a smaller root mass then with a larger root mass, and vice versa. This tells me root masses are not the main factor in yield.
But let's not go into the more roots=more bud debate.

Other then experimentation OR as someone else mentioned here, EXTRA LONG vegetative grows, these air-prune or fabric pots have no positive effects in my opinion. Even the long-term veg grows can be dealt with by just using square pots.

Been there done that. But I guess for the record I'll be doing it again being words really mean nothing without proof.

Peace
 

joedogsong

Member
side by side update

side by side update

While this has never intended to be anything but an observational experience, casual observation shows that the longer the vegetative state, the more restricted the growth in a "regular" pot.

These are the same clones all along. Cut at the same time, feeding, soil, environmental conditions, up-potting at the same time. The pot is a 50 gallon tree pot and the airpot is 4 blue bottoms (20 liters each) hooked together.

We still have until late September to find actual yield, but you can tell from the picture the the airpot is out performing the regular pot in side growth and shorter nodal length, which will lead to higher yield. The height difference is way less than it looks due to the tree pot being buried deeper in the trench. Look at the top surfaces.

Both plants were assailed by dime sized hail this last weekend. I had the roof retracted and couldn't get to it in time. :tumbleweed:
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joedogsong

Member
Why yes, but not Home Depot. You can't see most of the companion planting but lots of aromatic herbology throughout the green house. Garlic, dill, rosemary, lemon balm, Mint lots and lots of different mint. There's a cool chocolate mint, lemon mint. Real easy to clone and spread around. There are claims that the organic soil benefits from a diversity of root systems. I've gone away from feeding the plants to nurturing the soil...
 
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chos3n

Member
Cool man just caught me off guard gave me a good laugh but I see the thought and reasoning behind it. Thanks for sharing
 
Very awesome thread I think I'm gonna have to get me some AirPots and see how they work :D thanks for doing a side by side too it's awesome! I would imagine that those girls are gonna be MONSTERS in full bloom.
 

BlamBlam

New member
(Snipped) ... There are claims that the organic soil benefits from a diversity of root systems. I've gone away from feeding the plants to nurturing the soil...

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Nice! I've recently started wondering if a diverse environment might help stave off pests and diseases that can wear away at a contained growing environment over time. I also like the idea that including several types of plants helps create a more natural environment where diversity is otherwise common place for any species of plant... Who knows?

That said, I can't help but wonder if those plants sharing the air-pot are introducing positive side effects... From a scientific perspective, I think this would be a case for going back to the drawing board.

(For what it's worth, I'm merely playing the devil's advocate there.)

I'm actually a huge fan of the air-pots... Instead of the Blumats, I use a wick system that helped me overcome the watering issues I initially bumped into. I used to swear by square pots; however, I've found the stems and overall stockiness of the plants does result in a slight increase in my yields... Sure, I could accomplish similar yields with square pots on a plant per plant basis, but they required more vegging, training and ultimately took up more of my overall footprint in the flower room. And in that plant per plant situation, the square pots required about 30% more media (5 gallon squares to the 3.4 gallon Air-Pots), where I was adding an extra 2 quarts of perlite to my mix; with the Air-Pots, I'm more than comfortable with the Sunshine Mix as is.

From a monetary stand point, I'd say the overall differences were so nominal that it hardly justified the high cost to convert. And for a lot of guys, I'm pretty sure there are plenty of different ways to spend money on improving their grows. Still, for me it was an interesting concept that made sense to me; that and I'm kind of a spoiling spendthrift father when it comes to my garden and the girls - in the end, it's not so much about the pay back as it is their comfort!
 

Weird Jimmy

Licensed Patient/Caregiver & All-Around Cool Ass B
ICMag Donor
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2 gallon Air Pot vs. 3 gallon nursery pot, 2 identical clones from opposite nodes, same mix, same everything...

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