5000 barrels a day of oil (210,000 gallons) leak off the coast of Louisiana

[Justin_Credible]

OK .. they took the cap off.

Anyone know what's up with that?

They took the cap off because it was a debacle from day one. Once they put that cap on and it did not seal it created more pressure, hence more oil coming out faster. So take the cap off and less oil per second is spewing into the ocean. Good Job BP!

 

[Amos Moses]

They most likely removed the cap because enough oil wasn't leaking into the Gulf to get Obama's "Cap and Tax" legislation approved. Also, the ban on drilling was overruled.

Obama and BP need that legislation passed before the November election....when they get ass-whooped!

Amos

 

[danut]

One bright flash, and it's over ..

 

[danut]

Hey!! It looks like it's slowing down!

Maybe that well is running out of oil!!

 

[Amos Moses]

They can stop that oil any time they wish to. They don't want to do it. They destroyed the gulf environment purposely and there should be a criminal investigation right now....but there is not.

How could they immediately stop it?

Quickly build a 4 inch thick stainless steel cylinder, large enough to hold 300 tons of concrete. Allow a center pipe in the middle, with a diameter large enough to fit over the existing well head.

Tow the cylinder to the location and fill it with concrete.

The middle pipe would have a valve that would be closed after it has been lowered around the well head. The weight of the cylinder would prevent any oil from escaping.

Now why wouldn't that work?

Amos

 

[hunt4genetics]

2 deaths reported at the clean up scene. 1 out at sea, one on the beach. does anyone have anymore details? BP a'int saying shhhhhhhhhh

 

[JacuzziSplot]

They can stop that oil any time they wish to. They don't want to do it. They destroyed the gulf environment purposely and there should be a criminal investigation right now....but there is not.

How could they immediately stop it?

Quickly build a 4 inch thick stainless steel cylinder, large enough to hold 300 tons of concrete. Allow a center pipe in the middle, with a diameter large enough to fit over the existing well head.

Tow the cylinder to the location and fill it with concrete.

The middle pipe would have a valve that would be closed after it has been lowered around the well head. The weight of the cylinder would prevent any oil from escaping.

Now why wouldn't that work?

Amos

sources? thats a half assed idea and the pressure is too great for the weight of the contraption to be significant. http://bittooth.blogspot.com/2010/06/deepwater-oil-spill-why-flow-rates-are.html

 

[Amos Moses]

sources? thats a half assed idea and the pressure is too great for the weight of the contraption to be significant. http://bittooth.blogspot.com/2010/06/deepwater-oil-spill-why-flow-rates-are.html

Prove me wrong....

Here's another way, create a solid steel cylinder with a tapered bottom that goes from needle point to the diameter of the inside of the pipe on the well head.

Have it be about 50 feet tall and top load it with 50 tons of concrete. Use stabilizers around it and drop it into the pipe that's gushing oil. Then cover it with more concrete.

There are hundreds of ways to stop this. They simply don't want to do it.

You still don't understand?

Amos

 

[JacuzziSplot]

okay the pipe is 21" in diameter at the top thats an area of about 346 square inches. The oil and gas are gushing out at 2000 pounds per square inch minimum. Thats a force of 700,000lbs and thats a real low estimate. So if something was built to stuff down the pipe it would need to weigh more than 700,000 pounds with a diameter of slightly less than 21 inches. That doesnt even take into acount bouncy issues which would increase the weight requirements to over a million pounds weight with a diameter less then 21 inches assuming a best case scenario oil pressure of 2,000psi

Edit: I did the math each foot of 21" diameter pipe is 2.4 cubic feet roughly. good high density concrete is 200lbs per cubic foot. So thats about 480 pounds per foot of plug to reach a million pounds the plug would need to be 2084 feet long

 

[MarquisBlack]

okay the pipe is 21" in diameter at the top thats an area of about 346 square inches. The oil and gas are gushing out at 2000 pounds per square inch minimum. Thats a force of 700,000lbs and thats a real low estimate. So if something was built to stuff down the pipe it would need to weigh more than 700,000 pounds with a diameter of slightly less than 21 inches. That doesnt even take into acount bouncy issues which would increase the weight requirements to over a million pounds weight with a diameter less then 21 inches assuming a best case scenario oil pressure of 2,000psi

Edit: I did the math each foot of 21" diameter pipe is 2.4 cubic feet roughly. good high density concrete is 200lbs per cubic foot. So thats about 480 pounds per foot of plug to reach a million pounds the plug would need to be 2084 feet long

A 150' tall lead cylinder.

 

[Amos Moses]

okay the pipe is 21" in diameter at the top thats an area of about 346 square inches. The oil and gas are gushing out at 2000 pounds per square inch minimum. Thats a force of 700,000lbs and thats a real low estimate. So if something was built to stuff down the pipe it would need to weigh more than 700,000 pounds with a diameter of slightly less than 21 inches. That doesnt even take into acount bouncy issues which would increase the weight requirements to over a million pounds weight with a diameter less then 21 inches assuming a best case scenario oil pressure of 2,000psi

Edit: I did the math each foot of 21" diameter pipe is 2.4 cubic feet roughly. good high density concrete is 200lbs per cubic foot. So thats about 480 pounds per foot of plug to reach a million pounds the plug would need to be 2084 feet long

Read what I said again. It would be tapered on the bottom and have stabilizers to guide it in. It would not have to be 2084 feet long. Where did you get that?

The cylinderical plug would be 50 feet tall, securely attached to the bottom of a large concrete filled object that weighs whatever you wish. It can be much wider than the steel or lead plug. Actually, I like the lead idea.

The needle nose of the plug would allow it to be lowered into the gushing oil that would spread outwards from the plug. The plug, if it were lead could have a hollow center, that once the plug is lowered and forced into the pipe, you could then jam another tapered steel rod into it to seal the lead against the well pipe.

There are so many ways to do this it's incredible. And it would be quick and inexpensive. They just don't want to do it.

Amos

 

[Insomniac]

There are rumors that the well is leaking down hole from the BOP.

Just like a garden hose with holes in it.. If you plug your thumb in the end the other leaks become greater.

Let's not put anymore pressure on the strata holding this entire well.
Bad enough that the BOP is leaning and putting stress on the ocean floor.

 

[Justin_Credible]

There are rumors that the well is leaking down hole from the BOP.

Just like a garden hose with holes in it.. If you plug your thumb in the end the other leaks become greater.

Let's not put anymore pressure on the strata holding this entire well.
Bad enough that the BOP is leaning and putting stress on the ocean floor.

Really? 1st I have heard of this...so let me get this straight, there were already holes in the pipe elsewhere and now if they plug the top hole it will leak elsewhere? That is JUST_incredible....

 

[JacuzziSplot]

Read what I said again. It would be tapered on the bottom and have stabilizers to guide it in. It would not have to be 2084 feet long. Where did you get that?

The cylinderical plug would be 50 feet tall, securely attached to the bottom of a large concrete filled object that weighs whatever you wish. It can be much wider than the steel or lead plug. Actually, I like the lead idea.

The needle nose of the plug would allow it to be lowered into the gushing oil that would spread outwards from the plug. The plug, if it were lead could have a hollow center, that once the plug is lowered and forced into the pipe, you could then jam another tapered steel rod into it to seal the lead against the well pipe.

There are so many ways to do this it's incredible. And it would be quick and inexpensive. They just don't want to do it.

Amos

you need a million pounds of force acting on the plug to defeat the force of the oil and gas at 2000psi period.

 

[JacuzziSplot]

lead is 6x as dense so about 350 feet long on a lead plug. Its supposed to be capped with about 5,000feet of drilling mud about 75lbs a cubic foot. Thats 180lbs per foot of pipe. 900,000lbs for 5,000 feet.

Edit:They had trouble with high pressure gas pockets defeating the 900,000lbs of force of the drilling mud, Then the idiots at BP convinced everyone to switch to sea water to solve the problem of the pressure being so high. The sea water is much less dense and could not contain the pressure of the oil and gas.

Federal drilling records and well reports obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and BP’s internal documents, including more than 50,000 pages of company e-mail messages, inspection reports, engineering studies and other company records obtained by The Times from Congressional investigators, shed new light on the extent and timing of problems with the blowout preventer and the casing long before the explosion.

Kendra Barkoff, a spokeswoman for the Interior Department, declined to answer questions about the casings, the blowout preventer and regulators’ oversight of the rig because those matters are part of a continuing investigation.

The documents show that in March, after problems on the rig that included drilling mud falling into the formation, sudden gas releases known as “kicks” and a pipe falling into the well, BP officials informed federal regulators that they were struggling with a loss of “well control.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30rig.html?pagewanted=all

 

[Molson]

Correcto. It's like trying to plug a pressure washer with your thumb.

 

[White-rhino]

President caught on film - kicking ass

 

[elmanito]

Tesla was amazing, and there are a lot of mysteries around his discoveries and missing papers that bear closer examination. So please, yes, continue to support and bring attention to this incredible genius.

Just don't perpetuate misunderstandings about his work.

If you want to talk further about Tesla, or my crackpot theories, we should move it over to the Tesla thread, and end our hijacking of this thread.

That would be fine if we could start a thread about Tesla, but another thing what i can say that there were other scientists in the 1920-1940s in Germany who were dealing with these theories and also invented like gasoline free cars.Even the Nazi's were practising with these kind of techniques.

Namaste

 

[hoosierdaddy]

Didn't go back and look, but just wandering if you fluid dynamic engineers were figuring for the 1 mile water column when estimating PSI from the pipe? The head of that must be used in the calculation to have a proper estimation of force at exit.

 

[elmanito]

OMG Raining oil in Louisiana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un8co1d4zb4&feature=player_embedded

Further info for non-believers

http://jalopnik.com/5570961/its-raining-oil-in-louisiana

Namaste