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Old 01-07-2015, 04:09 PM #561
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I don't think the daredevil analogy works to justify this. Daredevils usually are aware of the danger they're putting themselves in, and open-blasting in a home, or motel, or apartment, is rarely a situation where only one person could get hurt. The actions of an individual rarely just affect the individual. Even if you have one guy blasting alone in his house in the woods, if it blows up the fire department which other taxpayers or volunteers support has to come out to put it out.

I have a hard time articulating this so apologies if this seems offensive - many here in the United States born at a certain time were made to fetishize these ideas of liberty and freedom, and I don't think most people really understand what they mean. They just associate it with that feel-good "'MERICA! DON'T TREAD ON ME!" attitude. The tail is wagging the dog right now; instead of the discussion being centered on the action itself- dangerous open blasting, some of y'all want to justify it for the sake of upholding some John Locke style natural rights of an individual. We're all greatly interconnected and I don't think it's realistic to make strawman arguments about freedom when the evidence shows that the vast majority of these explosions hurt other people and cause damage to the property of others.
We are all greatly connected and interconnected, additionally the dare devil analogy works just fine for the individual rights argument.

To bring up motels and apartments is the disingenuous straw-man in the room. Those places by their nature are rented property of others.

Blowing up your own home is probably less common than burning down your own home from smoking cigs or having a kitchen fire. So your argument about the firemen needing to get paid fails.

I don't open blast and I don't sanction infringement on liberty. New rules created by the same old prohibitionists are laughable.

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FRESNO, Calif. (KFSN) --
Four people are being treated for burns after an explosion in Madera.

The blast blew the wall off the side of a mobile home on Cleveland Avenue near Tulare Street Friday afternoon. Madera police say it was caused by a failed attempt to make a form of hash called butane honey oil.

The four people accused of making the drug were set on fire during the explosion. They were all taken to the hospital, but their exact conditions have not been released.

Police say explosions from this type of operation are becoming extremely common, and they're asking neighbors to report any suspicious activity.
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BANGOR — A slight change in Maine’s medical marijuana laws earlier this year has sparked a new trend in this sudden growth industry: the manufacture and legal sale of highly concentrated liquid marijuana, better known as “honey oil.”
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A concentrate derived from marijuana, also referred to as honey oil.

“A little dab’ll do ya, that’s for sure,” said Ryan, a Bangor medical marijuana patient, about the potent substance, which can be smoked or vaporized and inhaled. One hit of the marijuana concentrate feels equivalent to one marijuana cigarette, he said, speaking to the BDN on condition his last name not be published.

Known as “honey oil,” “hash oil,” “dabs,” “earwax” or “shatter,” among other names, homemade marijuana concentrates have caught on quickly because of the popularity and availability of e-cigarettes and vaporizer pens, which offer an easy, discreet way to use the drug.

Yet the rapid spreading of concentrates is a concern for law enforcement, as the potency of marijuana oil can be dangerous, especially for first-time users, and some ways of creating concentrates have led to deadly explosions, according to the National Drug Threat Assessment Summary 2014.

Recent explosions — i ncluding one in Rockland in November — have involved the production of cannabis concentrate with butane.

“Like (methamphetamine) labs, the production of the hash oil using this process can be extremely hazardous due to the chance of fire or explosion,” said Peter Arno, Maine Drug Enforcement Agency northern commander. “The (butane honey oil) process produces a hash oil which can have an extremely high THC content … If/when we run into one of these types of extraction labs, MDEA’s lab team will respond in a similar fashion to meth labs.”

Concern about marijuana concentrate is not limited to law enforcement.

Christopher Ruhlin, a medical marijuana patient and patient advocate who owns Herbal Tea & Tobacco in downtown Bangor, and Paul McCarrier, a former spokesman for Caregivers of Maine, said the concentrates are much stronger than leaf marijuana and new users should take note.

Patients should discuss the option with their doctors, Ruhlin said.

“Because it is more potent, there is more of a public health issue,” said McCarrier, who is now president of the Legalize Maine public action committee, which is seeking to make recreational use of marijuana legal statewide.

Law change

An amendment to the Maine Medical Use of Marijuana Act that allows the use and sale of concentrated marijuana went into effect in August.

Maine voters first approved medical marijuana in 1999, which allowed patients to grow their own supply or select a caregiver to grow it for them. In 2009, the law was expanded to include more permitted medical conditions and to allow patients to buy from eight nonprofit, government-sanctioned clinics and marijuana cultivation centers.

Maine’s medical marijuana law was amended again in 2011, eliminating the need for patients to register with the state, and again in 2013, adding post-traumatic stress disorder, inflammatory bowel disease and other illnesses to the list of conditions for which a physician may prescribe medical marijuana.

Earlier this year, physician was replaced with “medical provider” to allow nurse practitioners to prescribe the medication, and the definition of prepared marijuana was changed to include dried leaves and flowers of the marijuana plant and certain “byproducts,” such as tinctures and ointments, that don’t require “further processing.”

What this language means, said Kenneth J. Albert, director of the Division of Licensing and Regulatory Services at the Department of Health and Human Services, is that outside ingredients can be added to dried marijuana, just like for food products.

Adding ingredients to create concentrated marijuana is not authorized by the law. But, according to Albert, “cannabis may be boiled in a solvent to form a viscous liquid that may be strained and evaporated to yield an oil, or liquid cannabis. This is not considered ‘further processing’ as contemplated within the law.”

There are no general rules about concentrates, said Albert, because regulation depends entirely on how concentrates are produced. However, butane is not authorized in the production of medical marijuana products or byproducts, he said.

“Given the associated and inherent dangers in both the use and production of (butane honey oil), the department does not recognize it within the (scope) of medical marijuana law or rule,” he said.

Striking oil

There are a variety of ways to make cannabis concentrates, some without volatile solvents.

A newly formed company in the Bangor area, Taffy Factory LLC, is creating marijuana concentrates using ice and water, not solvents.

“We just started noncommercial production,” said one owner, Chris, who spoke to the BDN on the condition of only using his first name.

Taffy Factory uses an ice-and-water closed-loop extraction system to break down marijuana plants, and then uses low, steady heat to evaporate the water, which leaves behind a greenish powdery substance.

The process strips the marijuana plants of tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, the ingredient that relieves pain and causes users to get high, as well as cannabichromene, or CBC; and cannabidiol, or CBD, which reduce anxiety and produce a calming effect.

Chris said he got into the business of concentrates because they are “much healthier for patients. They get their medicine in a much smaller dose — it’s one hit. They’re done.”

Remedy Compassion Center in Auburn, one of Maine’s eight nonprofit dispensaries, has purchased a $100,000 Apex carbon dioxide critical extraction machine to make concentrate they call “Honey Oil,” which has been for sale since Aug. 2.

The amber substance is made by applying pressure, low temperatures and CO2 to marijuana plants.

“It works effectively to strip the components off the plants and creates the oil,” said Remedy Compassion founder Tim Smale. “It basically drips out the other end (of the machine) and the plant matter is thrown away.”

“We have to test it so we know what level of THC, CBC and CBD there is so we have a measure of their potency,” Smale said.

Each batch will have different benefits for patients, he said. For example, “an indica-dominant strain or sativa-dominant strain will provide good pain relief,” he said. Batches high in cannabichromene and cannabidiol are good for nausea and inflammation.

Medical marijuana patients who buy from caregivers pay about $250 an ounce and about $380 an ounce from dispensaries, and concentrates cost between $25 and $50 a gram depending on potency. A typical dose of concentrate is one-tenth of a gram and is equivalent to a 1-gram marijuana cigarette.

Smale is a member of the American Herbal Products Association, a national cannabis committee that makes recommendations to regulators about cultivation, packaging and processing. The group is working on rules for manufacturing concentrates.

It appears the concentrate business could go mainstream.

“In the next six months we’ll be providing some recommendations for the commercial side for regulators,” said Smale.

Individual insurance policies that cover medical marijuana also should cover concentrates.

“Marijuana is marijuana is marijuana,” said Ruhlin, owner of the Bangor store and patient advocate.

‘Miracle compound’

The rise of concentrates comes at a time of shifting regulations around medical marijuana at the federal and state level.

Just recently, congressional leaders in Washington passed a provision — baked into an omnibus spending bill — that requires the federal government to respect state sovereignty over medical marijuana.


In Maine, however, the Department of Public Safety said it will seek a law enabling it to test marijuana users for OUI. And the state’s division of licensing said medical professionals soon will be required to certify medical pot patients using a state online registration form.

Patients and advocates hope that concentrated marijuana may resolve concerns over medicinal use of the drug.

Ben, another Bangor medical marijuana patient, said some concentrates are made with reduced mind-altering components for people “who are not looking to get high, but want the pain relief.”

“It’s a miracle compound,” Ben said.
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Hash lab explodes in Stuart, dozens displaced | VIDEO
10:46 a.m. Tuesday, Dec. 30, 2014 | Filed in: Crime


Deputy honored for rescuing three kids in fire


A lab dedicated to extracting chemicals from marijuana exploded in Stuart early Tuesday morning, according to city police.

Police received a 911 call saying that an apartment in the Villa Bella Central Park Townhouses community was on fire, according to police spokesman Brian Bossio.
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The fire was caused by an explosion of butane hash oil, a volatile chemical extracted from marijuana.

Bossio said 35 people were evacuated and were allowed to return to their homes about five hours later. Nobody was injured.

Police are still investigating the incident, Bossio said.
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WOW, I must say I am SOOO happy I spent the last 4 hours powering through this long and exhausing thread. This thread has changed my life.

Let me start out by saying, I am fully convinced that I will never blow errls again! Got rid of all tane blowing equipment. I can honestly say that i have Never broke the #1 rule and blew tane in my house. Heck na! When I started out blowing the stuff I learned by watching youtube videos and the ones I watch clearly stated that you could blow yourself up. Given that I was a pyro as a kid and loved to make co2 bombs and pipe bombs when I went into the desert I learned from a young age that you could blow the shit out of yourself. When I heard them on the youtube video it was instantly clear to me to not allow myself to be apart of a 3000 degree fireball.

I always blue the errls outside and never had a problem. But after reading the articles of people outside blowing up and how terrible being burned is, im done. I will take my trim to some close looped professionals. I know of some in the area. Speaking of. I am from around Portland, Oregon and a lot of those explosions happened near me!!!

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I live in city about 100 miles south of Denver. About a month ago a guy burned down his house less than a mile away trying to make oil. What I find strange is that there is no mention of it in any news. Makes me wonder how many crappy neighborhoods, like this one go unreported in mainstream news. I guess poor people have been burning their houses down in drug related incidents for years now. From what I heard he didnt get any manufacturing charges, but arson and endangering children. Every week this year I have searched hash oil explosions/fires. There is almost always a new one.
I know of people who blew all the windows out of there house from blowing tane and the cops didn't even get called! Blew up their fridge too.

The same people continued to make tane indoors and get this, the tane accumulated in their coffee pot, when they put on a pot of coffee the coffee maker blew up!

I know other people who have the insides of their house torn apart from blowing tane who also didnt get the cops called. Spot burns all up and over the entire room from the paint burning off. They still live there. I recognize the burn spots on peoples skin from now on. Tane burn scars are for ever noticeable like track marks on heroin addicts.

Thanks you for this Knowledge everyone! Its a true life changer!
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In regards to canceling this thread. Do not. What should be considered is a refinement and re-organization. Consider creating a yearly BHO Disaster thread so people can easily choose to read about disasters by year. Also, having a worst of the worst BHO disaster thread that compiles the worst incidents to date wouldn't be a bad idea.

The story of the man in Oregon who blew him and his friend up and his friend ended up dying 14 days later from the burns truly touched my heart. The guy and his friend were gonna have a good day making/blazing BHO which ended up turning into the equivalent of a war zone for them like the Normandy Landing.
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There was no fire or explosion but this is of interest to those with a closed system.

British man charged with manufacturing hash oil

By MARTHA BELLISLE

Associated PressJanuary 9, 2015 Updated 17 hours ago

SEATTLE — A British man who was running a medical marijuana operation in Puyallup faces federal charges of manufacturing hash oil.

Andre Lempriere, who was in the U.S. illegally, also was charged in federal court with illegally possessing a dozen firearms.

Lempriere was initially charged in state court in October, but federal officials moved his case to the federal system this week. Emily Langlie, spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office, said the move was part of their initiative to crackdown on illegal hash oil production, which has caused a rash of explosions and fires. His state charges will be dismissed, she said.

But Lempriere's lawyer, Jay Berneburg, said federal prosecutors were "forum shopping." He said Lempriere's hash oil production was a "closed-loop system" and was safe. He also said it was part of his medical marijuana operation and was legal under state law.

Only one of the original six state charges would have stuck — that he was in the country illegally, if they had not moved the case, Berneburg said. The other five claimed he violated Washington's Controlled Substances Act, but his operation was legal "so on the state-side, they couldn't prosecute him," Berneburg said.

A complaint filed in U.S. District Court charges Lempriere with one count of endangering human life while manufacturing a controlled substance, maintaining a drug-involved premises, manufacturing hash oil and illegally possessing firearms.

A Drug Enforcement Administration agent said in an affidavit supporting the complaint cited concerns about numerous recent explosions during the production of hash oil, also called Butane Honey Oil, or BHO. During the process, the gas butane is used to extract the tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC — the active ingredient in marijuana.

"The result is a concentrated oily or waxy substance with very high amounts of THC, which is increasingly popular with marijuana users," the agent said. BHO can be consumed by vaporizing it or be added to food.

The Puyallup police received a tip in September about a possible hash oil operation within city limits. An investigation led them to Lempriere's businesses: Medical Releaf Organics, which was a storefront medical marijuana dispensary, and Sinful Glass Corporation.

Detectives learned that Lempriere had applied to the state Liquor Control Board in May 2014 for a license to manufacture and process marijuana, but no license was issued. Officials determined that Lempriere was instead operating a hash-oil extraction operation at the site. When an undercover agent went to his store, he was told that they make both hash oil and edibles "in house," the affidavit said.

The detective bought Dutch Masters trail mix, with 3.2 grams of marijuana; Dutch Masters Rasta Krispy, with 104 mg of THS; and a Dutch Masters gluten-free fudge brownie, with 3.2 grams of marijuana. They obtained a search warrant and found $8,500 in cash, a dozen firearms ranging from pistols to rifles and an extraction lab setup. He was arrested on Oct. 29 and remains in custody.
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But Lempriere's lawyer, Jay Berneburg, said federal prosecutors were "forum shopping." He said Lempriere's hash oil production was a "closed-loop system" and was safe. He also said it was part of his medical marijuana operation and was legal under state law.

Only one of the original six state charges would have stuck — that he was in the country illegally, if they had not moved the case, Berneburg said. The other five claimed he violated Washington's Controlled Substances Act, but his operation was legal "so on the state-side, they couldn't prosecute him," Berneburg said.
Ouch!!!! State legal and being fucked with...

Get those guns AWAY from your operation.

Anyone else notice that NO Americans had their cases taken FEDERAL?

Lucky me I was born in the land of the unfree, unjust, and inequitable.

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EDITORIAL: City Council should ban home hash oil extraction

The Gazette editorial • Published: January 9, 2015 • 12

City Fire Marshall Brett Lacey doesn't want more needless structure fires, so he plans to propose an ordinance that will ban extraction of marijuana hashish oil in residences. The City Council should assist him and expedite the process. Other jurisdictions should work with their fire officials to do the same, making it a high order of business.
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Hashish, a sludgy black psychoactive marijuana byproduct, is typically extracted in a process that involves a gas torch.

State and local law enforcement and fire officials say amateur home extraction is causing residential fires all over Colorado, as the solvent that forms the hash oil glop sometimes explodes.

"We know of 26 explosions caused by this in the last year," said outgoing Colorado Attorney General John Suthers, a Colorado Springs mayoral candidate, in a conversation with The Gazette.

Suthers' agency filed a brief supporting a criminal case against Eugene Christensen, a Mesa County resident charged with arson, reckless endangerment and manufacture of marijuana concentrate for a fire he is believed to have started while making hashish.

Suthers, in his role as attorney general, argues state law forbids residential hash oil extraction. His detractors claim Colorado Amendment 64, which legalized recreational marijuana sales and use, also legalized extraction of hash oil.

Final determination of whether voters intended to protect residential hash oil production will be ironed out in the courts. Regardless, it's hard to argue that any federal or state constitutional provision, regardless of wording and comma placement, protects nonessential activities that result in a high rate of structure fires.

"One could argue a right to extract it, but not by any means that jeopardizes the public health, safety and welfare of the neighborhood," Suthers said. "The whole stated purpose of Amendment 64 
is the safe regulation of marijuana use. This is obviously not safe, and I think the courts will go along with us on that."

Lacey appreciates Suthers' interpretation of state law but said a local ordinance is also needed to protect the community in the event state law fails to do so.

"I have full intentions of proceeding because what I care about is the risk of people blowing up themselves, their kids and their neighbors," Lacey told The Gazette. "We have had too many residential fires related to hash oil."

City records do not specify how many fires have been caused by the process, but even one would be too many.

Lacey's proposal is common sense. Even some of the state's most ardent supporters of legalized pot want to see a stop to the hash fires. Christian Sederberg, one of Amendment 64's authors, told the Denver Post he understands the concern and agrees home hash oil extraction should be stopped.

Coloradans voted themselves the right to produce, buy, sell and consume marijuana. That is not the primary issue with Lacey and Suthers. Their concern is one of an obvious threat to the community's health, safety and welfare. All rights are subject to reasonable restrictions, especially when lives are at stake. The City Council should quickly try to reduce this needless public safety menace by working with Lacey and passing a common-sense law.
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