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Old 07-16-2012, 05:25 PM   #16
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All excellent soil recipes that can be used and recycled forever.
I will definitely support making your own compost and EWC...as my compost is superior over ANY commercial brand. Not only do you get a superior end result,but you also pick up the local diversity of insects,bacteria's,and fungi.

I push my beginning soil mix coming from a noob's point of view...often they just don't get it or don't have the resources to compost or make their own castings....they look for amendments they can just go and purchase somewhere...anywhere really.

I can personally verify Coots mix as well. I received a gift of a plant that was some kind of monster in a smart pot full one of his mixes. The plant produced over 3000 seed with nothing but an EWC topdress in late flower..

I've pix of my own grows in 3 year old recycled soil that I can post also.
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"Aloe vera" juice - a must have from my experience
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"Aloe vera" juice - a must have from my experience
I can personally attest to an aloe foliar spray being one of the things that changed the health of my plants in a matter of hours

Some things I've not mentioned that I have incorporated into the recycling/re-amending...

Dried and pulverized Horsetail @ 2 to 4 cups per cubic foot of soil

Dried and pulverized Comfrey @ 2 to 4 cups per cubic foot of soil

Sand...yes sand is critical for proper drainage and water retention.

Glacial rock dust....can work like a sand,but contains far more minerals than regular sand.

Azomite...montmorillonite clay....sort of like Bentonite

Pyrophyllite clay

When building soil with sands and clay it is important to understand soil types in order to have a medium that can support the functions of the micro-organisms and the plants.

Here is a typical soil chart.....what kind of soil do you have?

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Its funny you say this... Once upon a time I had a bunch of clones ready for transplant, but I had no soil! I remembered I had a trashcan full of old compost out back and proceeded to use straight compost for transplant. A couple organic teas and a harvest later I had pulled off my most trouble free grow ever!

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Compost is king!!! I have grown plants in just compost alone just to see if it worked..it does,yet some composts may not be an ideal medium for indoor container gardening.

Drainage and aeration can become problems,especially for noobs who haven't yet mastered watering skills.

Noobs often over-water .....and underwater once they've been told they are over watering.

Soil should never dry out completely,and the moisture needs to be evenly distributed throughout the medium. When watering make sure that it doesn't just run right trough the pot. It needs to be absorbed.

Understanding container and plant size is also pretty crucial for watering indoor container plants..Verdant Green has some posts about container and plant size.

Balance and discipline in watering must be obtained if you're going to grow some cannabis indoors in containers using living soil.

I like Von's description of watering he has often posted ...he's nailed it.
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On the Bentonite and Pyrophyllite clay, a good source are pottery supply stores. The ones that cater to the purists that mix their own glazes, etc. The main one in PDX sells Bentonite for about the same price as Azomite ($19.00) and the Pyrophyllite is in the same price area.

Anyway, there are some interesting materials to consider using at these stores.

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On the Bentonite and Pyrophyllite clay, a good source are pottery supply stores. The ones that cater to the purists that mix their own glazes, etc. The main one in PDX sells Bentonite for about the same price as Azomite ($19.00) and the Pyrophyllite is in the same price area.

Anyway, there are some interesting materials to consider using at these stores.

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Absolutely!!!...there is NO need to buy a tiny plastic container from General Hydroponics for some crazy ass out of this world price when it can be sourced like this.

Why are we using clay's a noob might ask?????
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Why are we using clay's a noob might ask?????
They're still mulling over the benefits of Superthrive or something equally worthless and benign.

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I remember when I thought Superthrive was organic and was actually something good for cannabis plants...a leftover of the late 70's and 80's mythological based cannabis gardening....I guess I could say the mythological based cannabis gardening of the last 30 or so years really.

Besides the obvious benefits of moisture retention clay in a living soil provides,the particles in clay soil are negatively charged...they attract positively charged particles...Cal,Mag,etc.

I am no scientist,nor do I claim to be smarter than the next Joe when it comes to any of this. You can Google/Wiki any of this and if you are intelligent enough to discern what the difference between BS and fact are...you're 'winning'.
My knowledge is based upon over two decades of actual hands on experience cropping cannabis and a bit of standard horticultural college level education over 20 years ago. I've learned more from Coot and MM than anyone in school.
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Soluble Potash - 3%

Without a doubt the best grow store scam - bar none. Nothing even comes close.

Exporters like AliBaba.com (Yahoo has a huge stake in this company) offer barrels of Soluble Potash @ 51% and a single will cost about $500.00 (FOB Tacoma) and by the time you get up to a full container the price will drop in half.

So if you take a single barrel and dilute it down to 3% you now have 17 barrels of Soluble Potash - just under $30.00 and if we divide that by 55 (number of gallons) we're around $.54 per gallon.

Now look at each and every bottle at the grow store and look at the labels - Soluble Potash 3% and in a couple of cases that's it. $.55 per gallon (landed cost)

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Soluble Potash - 3%

Without a doubt the best grow store scam - bar none. Nothing even comes close.

Exporters like AliBaba.com (Yahoo has a huge stake in this company) offer barrels of Soluble Potash @ 51% and a single will cost about $500.00 (FOB Tacoma) and by the time you get up to a full container the price will drop in half.

So if you take a single barrel and dilute it down to 3% you now have 17 barrels of Soluble Potash - just under $30.00 and if we divide that by 55 (number of gallons) we're around $.54 per gallon.

Now look at each and every bottle at the grow store and look at the labels - Soluble Potash 3% and in a couple of cases that's it. $.55 per gallon (landed cost)

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What would be a good source of potassium to incorporate in an organic living soil a noob might ask???

Sul-po-mag..aka Langbeinite

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...rofile=default
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I will add my favorite foliar feed routine. I take a handfull of alfalfa meal and soak it in water for 24-48 hours, then strain and dilute in one gallon of water. I add a tsp or so of liquid silica, and spray at lights out. I can almost guarantee new growth in two days.

Alfalfa meal costs me $12 for 50lb. As always organic is better but either way it is good stuff. I also use it in my compost, as a soil amendment, and in teas. Here is a blurb on alfalfa meal.....


Alfalfa Meal

Alfalfa provides many nutritional benefits not only for plant use, but for soil organisms as well. One very important ingredient is tricontanol, a powerful plant growth regulator.

Orchid and rose growers make an alfalfa tea and spray it directly on as a foliar fertilizer. Alfalfa is very high in vitamins, plus N-P-K-Ca, Mg, and other valuable minerals. It also includes sugars, starches, proteins, fiber and 16 amino acids. Approximate analysis is 3-1-2.

Sprinkle lightly over garden and water, or use about a handful (depending on the size) around each rose, tree, or shrub. Alfalfa meal and hay used for mulch contain vitamin A, folic acid, trace minerals and the growth hormone “tricontanol.” Use at 25 pounds per 1,000 square feet or 400-800 pounds per acre.

Alfalfa helps plants create larger flowers and increases the tolerance to cold. Make alfalfa tea by soaking 1 cup of alfalfa meal per 5 gallon of water.

Good for all flowering plants. Research has shown that using more is not better. At recommended rates alfalfa worked wonders on roses but it could be overused causing adverse effects.

Alfalfa and Irises - Mixing Alfalfa and Iris
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Alfalfa Pellets
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I use either alfalfa pellets or the sweepings from the hay storage area I get from the local feed store. I *think* have a box of alfalfa meal somewhere, but I can't beat the free alfalfa with a stick because, being sweepings, it's high in flowers and leaves (the stuff horses tend to pick out first).
 


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Here's a product from England - Comfrey Pellets

1 litre - L10.90 (British Pound sign was intended)
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All the benefits of comfrey leaves - NPK, trace elements, minerals, vitamins and plant hormones now available in a dried pellet form. These can be used to make your own comfrey liquid or applied directly into the soil or compost where they will release nutrients over the whole season.

To make liquid, take 200g and steep in 1 litre of water for 3 days. Filter the solution and then dilute 1 in 25 for watering onto plants.

1 litre pack. Apply 150g per sq metre of soil for use on vegetables, potatoes and flowers.
I'd buy it if it were available
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Here is a humus, humates, humic acid link I use and like, even though it's from Texas......

http://www.calciumproducts.com/artic...tit_Humate.pdf
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