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Old 07-16-2012, 04:57 PM #11
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I think it is important to reintegrate the part Cootz touched on in another thread. When a lot of us simply say compost, thermo compost and earth worm castings, we do not mean store bought off the shelf materials. This is where we win in this game, and it all starts before a cutting or seedling hits the soil. Properly made ewc/compost equals some work, and takes some time. But it is time well spent IMHO.

Our organic grows are a direct result of our compost quality, no other way to put it. So I feel it is where you want to spend your time, efforts and resources. When you make great compost, the actual grow is almost a non event. Things just chug long when those microbes are happy........scrappy
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I think it is important to reintegrate the part Cootz touched on in another thread. When a lot of us simply say compost, thermo compost and earth worm castings, we do not mean store bought off the shelf materials. This is where we win in this game, and it all starts before a cutting or seedling hits the soil. Properly made ewc/compost equals some work, and takes some time. But it is time well spent IMHO.

Our organic grows are a direct result of our compost quality, no other way to put it. So I feel it is where you want to spend your time, efforts and resources. When you make great compost, the actual grow is almost a non event. Things just chug long when those microbes are happy........scrappy
Thank you for that clarification - humus sources are not equal or even close

Commercial thermal compost operations are there to reduce biomass and nothing more.

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This thread is GOLD as well!!! Thanks guys!

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Old 07-16-2012, 05:22 PM #15
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I think it is important to reintegrate the part Cootz touched on in another thread. When a lot of us simply say compost, thermo compost and earth worm castings, we do not mean store bought off the shelf materials. This is where we win in this game, and it all starts before a cutting or seedling hits the soil. Properly made ewc/compost equals some work, and takes some time. But it is time well spent IMHO.

Our organic grows are a direct result of our compost quality, no other way to put it. So I feel it is where you want to spend your time, efforts and resources. When you make great compost, the actual grow is almost a non event. Things just chug long when those microbes are happy........scrappy
Its funny you say this... Once upon a time I had a bunch of clones ready for transplant, but I had no soil! I remembered I had a trashcan full of old compost out back and proceeded to use straight compost for transplant. A couple organic teas and a harvest later I had pulled off my most trouble free grow ever!

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All excellent soil recipes that can be used and recycled forever.
I will definitely support making your own compost and EWC...as my compost is superior over ANY commercial brand. Not only do you get a superior end result,but you also pick up the local diversity of insects,bacteria's,and fungi.

I push my beginning soil mix coming from a noob's point of view...often they just don't get it or don't have the resources to compost or make their own castings....they look for amendments they can just go and purchase somewhere...anywhere really.

I can personally verify Coots mix as well. I received a gift of a plant that was some kind of monster in a smart pot full one of his mixes. The plant produced over 3000 seed with nothing but an EWC topdress in late flower..

I've pix of my own grows in 3 year old recycled soil that I can post also.
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"Aloe vera" juice - a must have from my experience
I can personally attest to an aloe foliar spray being one of the things that changed the health of my plants in a matter of hours

Some things I've not mentioned that I have incorporated into the recycling/re-amending...

Dried and pulverized Horsetail @ 2 to 4 cups per cubic foot of soil

Dried and pulverized Comfrey @ 2 to 4 cups per cubic foot of soil

Sand...yes sand is critical for proper drainage and water retention.

Glacial rock dust....can work like a sand,but contains far more minerals than regular sand.

Azomite...montmorillonite clay....sort of like Bentonite

Pyrophyllite clay

When building soil with sands and clay it is important to understand soil types in order to have a medium that can support the functions of the micro-organisms and the plants.

Here is a typical soil chart.....what kind of soil do you have?

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Its funny you say this... Once upon a time I had a bunch of clones ready for transplant, but I had no soil! I remembered I had a trashcan full of old compost out back and proceeded to use straight compost for transplant. A couple organic teas and a harvest later I had pulled off my most trouble free grow ever!

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Compost is king!!! I have grown plants in just compost alone just to see if it worked..it does,yet some composts may not be an ideal medium for indoor container gardening.

Drainage and aeration can become problems,especially for noobs who haven't yet mastered watering skills.

Noobs often over-water .....and underwater once they've been told they are over watering.

Soil should never dry out completely,and the moisture needs to be evenly distributed throughout the medium. When watering make sure that it doesn't just run right trough the pot. It needs to be absorbed.

Understanding container and plant size is also pretty crucial for watering indoor container plants..Verdant Green has some posts about container and plant size.

Balance and discipline in watering must be obtained if you're going to grow some cannabis indoors in containers using living soil.

I like Von's description of watering he has often posted ...he's nailed it.
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