ICMAG Administration endorses The Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010

[Hydrosun]

See...either you can't comprehend shit, are super high or just want to poke because....I never said that. COMMERCIAL were talking about COMMERCIAL grows. Did I say I don't think people should grow in residential? Dude...c'mon now

I just hit the bong to make sure I am close enough to supper high but, I know you are talking commercial, I am talking about the ICMAGer at home who uses more that 25sq', not a separate building or a commercial farm.

You did say people shouldn't get permitted to grow in residential areas, and many of the grows I know of are more than 25sq' and in homes.

 

[vta]

I just hit the bong to make sure I am close enough to supper high but, I know you are talking commercial, I am talking about the ICMAGer at home who uses more that 25sq', not a separate building or a commercial farm.

You did say people shouldn't get permitted to grow in residential areas, and many of the grows I know of are more than 25sq' and in homes.

Again Hydro...I said "commercial" business. I don't want a Richard Lee 100,000 square foot building next door to me. Your talking about a 'guy' that wants to get a license or permit to grow in his house. Well your not thinking this all the way through. Because that 'guy' is 1, not who this law was meant for{that would be the 'recreational' user} 2, a commercial operation {you know...proper power,fire safety..and shit like that..you know real fukin world shit not your common cab or converted garage for Gods sake}

So what's left for them...{just to be clear, so I dont lose you and you twist my shit again..were talking about the non-medical grower that grows more than 5x5}...well it's real simple and it's real world. Since it's non-medical then the pot is sold on the black market. They can do the smart thing and get a card and sell to a club. Or they continue as they are and they face the same fate they currently face now. You seem to forget one thing....and it's the most important fact of the whole enchilada...This law is about the recreational pot smoker. You want to smoke pot? Are you over 21? Yes Yes..no problem. Well even let you grow enough for yourself. You know what...that can be a pain, so well allow 'professionals' to grow it in a controlled environment for ya...shoot well even allow cities to open hash bars if they want...why not!

 

[vta]

btw....every prop goes through the state of California's Legislative Analyst’s Office's for legal analysis. They always include a Yes/No Statement...here is 19's

YES/NO STATEMENT

A YES vote on this measure means: Individuals age 21 or older could, under state law, possess and cultivate limited amounts of marijuana for personal use. In addition, the state and local governments could authorize, regulate, and tax commercial marijuana-related activities under certain conditions. These activities would remain illegal under federal law.

A NO vote on this measure means: The possession and cultivation of marijuana for personal use and commercial marijuana-related activities would remain illegal under state law, unless allowed under the state’s existing medical marijuana law.

 

[GanjaAL]

And if you wanted to end the arrests how would you go about it?
Prop 19 is not perfect but it sure is a step in the right direction.
We have to start if we want to change the laws, Prop 19 is that start.

I am wondering if you also voted NO on 215? Because arrests will not go away nor the release of prisoners of war will come from prop 215! Why would you vote YES on 215?


-SamS

At the time I was serving my country and marijuana was not an option for me. Got out and was a hard core concervitive bible thumper. Then when the pain came so did the pharma.... bad deal for my liver. So a friend told me about mmj... now I am a mmj patient.

Now knowing what I know now... yes I would have voted for it as it is to relieve the pain for the sick. Right now... I am not against rec smoking whatsoever as I see it as a preventive medicine in a sense... Prop 19 is a law I do not approve of and nore will I ever. However along with others that are saying no... we will be pushing for Jack Herer's bill. Much better than prop 19.

So how are you going to win hard core conservitive states and the bible belt states???? Not with prop 19. MMJ laws are the only hope for that side of the fense... and insults and personal attacks are not helping either. Makes me push even harder for NO votes as all I have is time until my back gets fixed. If these people on here represent the yes vote... I want nothing to do with it and it may in fact mess it up for the rest of us.

Hope that helps.

 

[localhero]

i think i found an answer to the whole, "what if they limitted the height of your grow space" thing in case anyone else hasnt seen this:

under definitions:

(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);

they are saying your grow space will only be limited by square footage, not ft cubed. so i think thats strong enough language to overturn any rogue counties attempt at limiting you to 1 ft of height.

i still think 5x5 is total bogus.

 

[GanjaAL]

i still think 5x5 is total bogus.

It does not matter what you think sir... counties, towns and cities will do what they want and limit as they see fit. Just tonight my local town banned any and all sales and dispensories. Prop19 gives them that power and it will not be up to debate when prop19 passes.

Also I am not sure if a town like this will likely agree to increasing grow space for the home grower.

 

[vta]

It does not matter what you think sir... counties, towns and cities will do what they want and limit as they see fit. Just tonight my local town banned any and all sales and dispensories. Prop19 gives them that power and it will not be up to debate when prop19 passes.

Also I am not sure if a town like this will likely agree to increasing grow space for the home grower.

25 square feet is better than zero square feet.

 

[GanjaAL]

Actually since I have a rec, I am only limited by the people in a collective or by the need for personal use. I have alot of friends who are going to be getting there rec soon as they see the heavy resrictions that prop19 puts on people. They were waiting to see what the town council was going to do before they casted their vote in nov and now they have decided on NO and will be getting their rec in order to be able to use their maijuana as they see fit.

So much for prop19 in my neck of the woods. Alot of them like to share different stains and such so they carry a little more than an oz on them at a time... hence why they do not want to be confined to age limits as some are 18, also the on person limits as they share different strains and the fact that they could have larger grows if needed.

 

[localhero]

a few more things the definitions section of 19 clears up:

(a) only the active amount of the cannabis in an edible cannabis product shall be included;
how the hell will they be able figure that out? whatever, seems hard enough to not be used seriously by law enforcement, imagine trying to convince a jury that a lab analysis of .002% thc content in a cookie weighs 5 ounces

(b) living and harvested cannabis plants shall be assessed by square footage, not by weight in determining the amounts set forth in section 11300(a);

so your cut hanging plants or dead trash/composted plants will never be assesed by weight, i dunno if id compost my leftovers in a shitty county, they might count it as part of your sq ft

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going through the definitions, its kind of a glaring omission to not define what "space" means. that would have made alot of pot smoking parents atleast know what they can and cant do, rather than guess.

my guess is that eventually legislature will handle that ommission, and probably they will take from existing second hand smoke laws.

imagine if some form of child advocacy group gets involved? what about the children? oh any smoking room in the house must be detached from the central ac unit or some smoke may seep into the common area, damaging the children! oh the lawsuits filed by whacky neighbors claiming that said neighbors garage leaked the distinct scent of marijuana smoke, and that somehow that is threatening the health and wellbeing of their own children. your honor, my children! they were exposed!

second thought! thats probably why they left out what "space" means

 

[localhero]

ganja, are you not in cali? they cant overwrite 215. wait nvm banning dispensaries is not a 215 covered deal. not allowing safe access to meds is though. so im sure they have a case.

also, i think ive found a simple sollution to the whole square ft bulshit goin on now for restricting med grows. if they wanna play that game, why cant we? have your doc set forth how much canopy space he has determined you need in order to properly supply your med requirement. is that too simple? are people already doin this?

 

[vta]

I have alot of friends who are going to be getting there rec soon as they see the heavy resrictions that prop19 puts on people. They were waiting to see what the town council was going to do before they casted their vote in nov and now they have decided on NO and will be getting their rec in order to be able to use their maijuana as they see fit.

So much for prop19 in my neck of the woods.

That's too bad Al I mean for the people in your neck of the woods that don't use 215. Everyday folk. Just like you and me only they don't have a qualifying reason for 215 or don't want to scam the legal system. We'll just call then the recreational grower. You see these guys would like to grow pot for themselves, they want to have the right..the same one you enjoy..to carry pot with them wherever they go..you know just in case, they want to be able to go to the store and buy some pot. Prop 19 does all of this.

Here is the kicker....from what you tell us...your "friends" and yourself included, are going to vote no because they want to grow more than 25 square feet. That's fine, that they want to grow more...and that they are going medical to ensure their safety...those are all fine and I have no problem with...what I have a problem with is the fact that while your "friends" and YOU are fine and have nothing to worry about...are going to make the effort to go out and actually vote against a law that will help so many of "my" kind of "friends". I would take it so far as to call your punk ass out. Your about making money on the black market and 19 will hurt you. I have zero respect for your presentation of a valid "no" vote.

Good day Sir

 

[vta]

have your doc set forth how much canopy space he has determined you need in order to properly supply your med requirement. is that too simple? are people already doin this?

For 6 years my Dr. had on my rec that I could grow as much as I needed. And recommended that I ingest at least 2 ounces a week. That later changed to "may grow 99 plants"

 

[Hammerhead]

If my doc says I need 50 plants to treat my condition then I can grow 50 plants. I think some comercial growers are doing this. They keep ther 10 plants and sale the rest.

 

[localhero]

hahah same here, my doc says i can grow 90 plants, and wrote in; concentrates permitted.

concentrates thing is a big deal, a friend of mine has a case that the da can opt to pick up after he got pulled over with a bunch of hash jars. cop said, if your rec doesnt say you can have concentrates, we have to take you to jail. so they booked him and released him.

point is, if your county says you can only have 100 sq ft of canopy, well go ahead have your 99 as long as it fits nicely in 100 ft. if your doc said 99 and 2000 sq ft of canopy and concentrates permitted.. seems that would be better.

 

[Hammerhead]

are concentrates Illegal? I did not know that if they are. I use OiL most of the time. Im a med user I thought all parts of the plant hash oil budder kief are ok to use make.

 

[localhero]

ive heard it is, all i can go by is what is happening in my area. and if the police say, have concentrates permitted on your rec or we take you to jail, im getting it on my rec.

 

[Anti]

So all you guys calling for us all to be legal, do you pay federal income tax on 100% of your gross revenue?

I have a job. I pay income taxes. Then I purchase the things I need to grow with what is left. Then I don't sell any of my produce.

If you don't wanna play ball legally you still have two choices:

#1) Get a job.

#2) Keep doing your illegit thing.

 

[Guest 88950]

... we will be pushing for Jack Herer's bill. Much better than prop 19...So how are you going to win hard core conservitive states and the bible belt states???? Not with prop 19. MMJ laws are the only hope for that side of the fense...If these people on here represent the yes vote... I want nothing to do with it and it may in fact mess it up for the rest of us.

Hope that helps.

how far has Jacks bill gotten in the past?

you dont know what will win the bible belt states b/c your not from here. Prop 215 has opened many eyes to Medical Cannabis and now in Fla i can argue a Medical Necessity defence in court where before it would be Direct Contempt of Court for mentioning that the Cannabis was for a medical need. all because of Prop215 and with the passing of prop19 my state and other bible belt states will have a difficult time Denying Cannabis as medicine using the argument that its a dangerous addictive drug w/ no medicinal value. how could it be too dangerous to be used by the sick when its safe enough to be Regulated for recreational use?


how does the YES vote mess it up for you? your covered by prop215 right?


i know since i responded to you ill probably get a neg rep but ill survive.

btw, Hydrosun i didnt make it 2 days and im not for censorship but the "Mute" function would be nice, some rhetoric deserves to be muted.

 

[Batboy]

Just tonight my local town banned any and all sales and dispensories. Prop19 gives them that power and it will not be up to debate when prop19 passes.

Also I am not sure if a town like this will likely agree to increasing grow space for the home grower.

I'm missing something here: your town just banned mmj sales and dispensories, something that I assume they have the right to do, and you are somehow applying this to Prop19? If they can do it now, and they can decide to not permit it after Prop19, it's a zero sum gain -- nothing to see here, move on. . .

You are saying that commercial mmj is essentially banned in your town now, and Prop19 does not legalize commercial mmj or mj in any towns that don't want it, therefore Prop19 is bad. That's bullshit because you have still gained under Prop19 and not lost anything. Here's the real difference: your town may elect to not permit sales and taxing of mj after Prop19 passes, but you will still be able to legally grow and possess without a mmj rec. Your elected officials will have to watch other communities benefit from the tax revenues of legal mj sales, and then they will have to answer to their constituents as to why foregoing those revenues is the right thing for your town. EVERYTHING will be up for debate after Prop19 passes, except limiting possession or cultivation lower than the Prop19 limits.

 

[Batboy]

If this thread does nothing else, it exposes Prop19 opposers for who they are:

1) Complete prohibitionists (who probably aren't frequenting ICMag),
2) non-personal use growers and dealers that don't want to see their livelihoods disappear when they can no longer sell $70 eighths on the black market (ding ding!), or
3) genuine pie in the sky dreamer hippies who won't vote for anything short of complete legalization, no tax, no limits, no enforcement (no way in hell anything like that will pass in our lifetimes).