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Old 08-08-2018, 10:33 PM #31
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Boys !!!! Don't cha know...we all suck.


Some want to climb the ladder of wealth...others want to do little work...'just exist' and expect the 'Gov' to help with FREE health care, welfare, food stamps etc...

But who are we to judge ???

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Waddup dude....so, what about the educated, hard working Americans who believe health care should be provided, people in need should be helped, and no one should go hungry in a wealthy nation? What's wrong with us?
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Waddup dude....so, what about the educated, hard working Americans who believe health care should be provided, people in need should be helped, and no one should go hungry in a wealthy nation? What's wrong with us?
I'm all for some social systems here in USA. Social Security, Medicare for the elderly, Vets, the lame and for impoverished children.
I also think fondly of food programs for children.

Health care for all ? No thank you ! People that don't make enough money to supply their own needs...either need a second job, or a better one....maybe a better education.
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Sorry Man...not buying it. You are what you make yourself to be. No excuses.

Bad luck ?...doesn't mean I have to pick up the tab.


No other country in the world has as many millionaires.

Not making it ? Take a class or two...
don't care what you buy. i AM what i want to be. not asking you to pick up shit. no other country has the natural resources AND educational opportunities that we do, so we SHOULD have more millionaires. i am making it, and i don't need your help. already been through school and have my degree. not everyone is as fortunate nor works as hard. go talk down to someone that is actually below you...
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Waddup dude....so, what about the educated, hard working Americans who believe health care should be provided, people in need should be helped, and no one should go hungry in a wealthy nation? What's wrong with us?
we are the only first-world industrialized nation in the entire fucking world without universal health care. what is wrong with us? wait, we both KNOW what it is. and it is not US.
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Old 08-09-2018, 02:24 AM #35
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Whoa, VTA, you're sounding a little blue there.


I can't see how healthcare for all is an issue. In NZ here, we've got healthcare for all, but it isn't free, it comes from our taxes and is paid into a government branch known as ACC (Accident Compensation Company). However, if you can afford it, there is private healthcare companies on offer too. This system has it's negatives as well, but all in all I feel like it's a huge improvement on the American system, which I grew up in. As a positive example, I ride a motorcycle and a couple years ago was run over by an asshole in a BMW. I had to have major surgery to install a rod in my tibia and screw it in place (it's still there). This was free for me and my employer didn't have to pay a thing for it, it was covered by ACC, as was 80% of my salary for the time I was off work. However, all vehicles are required to be registered here for which you pay a little bit to do, depending on how long a period you can afford with the max being a year. This is much more expensive for bikes as according to the government they end up costing more to ACC, so my yearly registration is roughly $500, which is marked as an ACC levy. I groan about having to pay it, but then I think back to my time at the hospital and how well the surgery went and how easy it all was, I'm not bothered to pay it. Now there are always people who are going to abuse the system, but that's unavoidable in any situation, people are shady no matter what's on offer. I see it like yin and yang, it all balances out in the end so while we pay a little more in taxes, we actually see something from that I don't see why America couldn't have the same kind of system.
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don't care what you buy. i AM what i want to be. not asking you to pick up shit. no other country has the natural resources AND educational opportunities that we do, so we SHOULD have more millionaires. i am making it, and i don't need your help. already been through school and have my degree. not everyone is as fortunate nor works as hard. go talk down to someone that is actually below you...
Good for you ! Living the Dream.

I agree...we need more millionaires.

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Naw. We are are equal. I was dirt poor, living in a car once...once.
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we are the only first-world industrialized nation in the entire fucking world without universal health care. what is wrong with us? wait, we both KNOW what it is. and it is not US.
Everywhere it exists...it's a nightmare.

NHS ??? Hope your baby doesn't need "unapproved" measures. And if a doctor in a foreign land can provide the care the baby needs...forget about it. They wont even let you take your own baby to another doctor.

Canada...My buddy jacked his ACL...4 months later he had surgery. MRI was done at 3 months. Good stuff.

Now they let doctors decide if a person should be euthanized. Read a story last week about a person with dementia that was "put down"...happens everyday, except in this case, the doctors made familiy members restrain the poor soul.


No thanks...I want to buy my "insurance" from the private sector. Where they "compete" for my business. Gov run HC...Fuck that !
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Everywhere it exists...it's a nightmare.

NHS ??? Hope your baby doesn't need "unapproved" measures. And if a doctor in a foreign land can provide the care the baby needs...forget about it. They wont even let you take your own baby to another doctor.
i love how the right has a single anecdotal story they parade around all the time

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Canada...My buddy jacked his ACL...4 months later he had surgery. MRI was done at 3 months. Good stuff.
and yet universal health care polls extraordinarily well in Canada and in every other country that has it. if what you say is true 100% of the time and not just some one off anecdotal condition, wouldn't even the conservatives in these countries be against universal health care? because they're not.

wait times did increase in canada for surgery. largely for elective procedures. but either way, i'd rather wait and get the surgery i need than to possibly die in the US without itbecause i can't afford it. which is pretty common for Americans these days. 50% of US workers make $30k or less... something like 1 in 6 Americans cannot afford an out of pocket $1000 medical fee.

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Now they let doctors decide if a person should be euthanized. Read a story last week about a person with dementia that was "put down"...happens everyday, except in this case, the doctors made familiy members restrain the poor soul.
"Dutch authorities are investigating whether doctors may have committed crimes in five euthanasia cases, including the deaths of two women with advanced Alzheimer’s disease."

again your position is based on a single anecdotal story that you claim happens everyday, yet it doesn't.


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No thanks...I want to buy my "insurance" from the private sector. Where they "compete" for my business. Gov run HC...Fuck that !
the US health care market is an oligopoly. there is no competition nor is there a free market.

medicare (which is government run health care) is not only one of the most popular social programs in the history of the US, but it is more efficient than our private system, and more cost effective.

for example;

operating costs for private health care is nearly 18 cents of every dollar spent in the medical market. compared with 2 or 3 cents of every dollar spent on operating costs for medicare.

so not only would medicare for all cover every man woman and child, but it would be cheaper on employers as well as every day taxpayers without affecting the quality of care.


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I am no commie and favor less government when possible, but see socialized medicine as the future and it is gonna happen. It already is socialized but in a chaotic, inefficient manner. Pretend free market.

Wait times for surgeries vs worrying about the lack of money you have to pay for it? I will wait. If it was so bad in Canada they would have junked it some time ago. They come over to the US for some stuff but overall it is better there imo.

Will it make a debt problem with lack of funds to cover it? (as if that is not already happening.) Maybe, but we are not going back to a no money no doctor policy. Once the people are given stuff, that is that. They expect it.

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