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Pure ZHO extraction solvent
- Thread starter SkyHighLer
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So far no response to my request for MSDS. If I don't receive one soon, I will send them a copy of the federal regulation stating that they must do so and the court records of those who thought that it didn't apply to them.
Their reluctance to do so thus far, makes me wonder why.
Their reluctance to do so thus far, makes me wonder why.
J
jackgastche
There is a requirement that you must release an MSDS before bringing a product to market or announcing any plans to officially launch it for public consumption? I realize it says they are planning B2B sales but there is a difference between planning and doing.
J
jackgastche
Meant to type this in the same reply but can't edit now or send PMs, so my apologies for double posting, but could I get a link or copy of that federal regulation? Could help me quite a bit.
New Home page at the Pure ZHO website,
"Early Beginnings
Other than aqueous, one of the oldest methods of cleaning was degreasing with organic solvents. This process is generally called vapor degreasing, even though vapor-only cleaning is the most elemental level of that genre.
An early expert in the degreasing industry, Robert O. “Lefty” Grunditz, used to begin presentations with the statement that vapor degreasing was a misnomer. He said that vapor never cleaned anything until the warm vapor condensed on the cooler part and had dissolved and flushed the soil away.
A good example of that process is a demonstration of the way that rain develops. Holding a cool plate over a stream kettle produced condensation when the steam contacted the plate and rain happened.
The type of parts to be degreased and the procedures to do so have changed drastically over the years. There are many new people in various industries who may not be aware of this evolution and may be able to better understand some of their present degreasing problems and their solutions by learning the history of vapor degreasing. An education about the origins may clarify the “best practices” nature of solvent degreasing as it is today.
In the 1930s, G.S. Blakeslee & Company entered a new phase of the cleaning/degreasing business by purchasing basic vapor degreasing patents from Germany and introduced a new organic solvent, trichloroethylene.
Solvent Evolution
A brief look at the solvent evolution may be helpful here. Trichloroethylene was the first extensively used chemical in the early years. Perchlorethylene and methylene chloride followed.
The lower boiling precision solvents such as chlorofluorocarbons and the trichlor substitute trichloroethane held center state until environmental regulations changed the picture again. Now the number and variety of chemicals vying for attention is enormous.
HIGH PERFORMANCE
PURE ZHO
Our flagship product, Pure ZHO Degreaser, is a HaloAlklane based, phosphate-free, non-toxic, non-corrosive, non-caustic, and non-flammable sub-medical grade degreaser. By manipulating C-F bond of HaloAlklane Z Air discovered a compressed gas that is fully vanishing by complete evaporation and leaves no trace of any chemical compounds to the product it is degreasing.
Degreaser with such low Boiling Point (-57 C) helps complete evaporation while keeping high density (3.79 kg/M3 at 15 C), Pure ZHO will penetrate to all areas to remove any oil residue from the surface it is applied. Pure ZHO, due to its very low surface tension can penetrate the narrowest grooves and incisions to remove any impurities. The unique molecular structure of Pure ZHO guarantees compatibility with plant matters, and most plastics and metal surfaces. As an alternative to petroleum based products, Pure ZHO will provide higher performance and better safety for users with no adverse side effects to humans, animals, and plants.
Pure ZHO is liquefied gas that fully vanishes by complete evaporation, and non-flammable and non-toxic, suitable for substituting in place of chlorinated or petroleum based solvent degreaser and it can be used on medical, mechanical maintenance (e.g. equipment degreasing, part cleaning, tool degreasing, component washing, etc).
ORGANIC MZ 12X
Our second product, Organic MZ 12X is designed to provide heavier duty degreasing and it is formulated from Organic gas that is produced by nature. While it is still FLAMMABLE, its explosion point is much lower than that of a petroleum based degreaser. Additionally, its fully vanishing CEP; “Complete Evaporating Point” is even lower than that of Pure ZHO and contains zero heavy metal, much like Pure ZHO.
Because Organic MZ 12X is natural gas refined 12 times, engineered to be stronger than Pure ZHO, it will remove any grease or oil particles from surfaces even more thoroughly. However, because of characteristic differences from its sister product, Pure ZHO (which locks oil substance with its low temperature liquefied gas) Organic MZ 12X will dissolve ALL oily substances from the surfaces and grooves.
In comparison, Organic MZ 12X will remove more greases and oily substance then Pure ZHO, but it is left as FLAMMABLE gas in order to preserve its characteristics and Organic origin.
Organic MZ 12X is biodegradable, safe to environment, harmless to any living human, animals, or plants and it will leave degreased surface odor free, color free, residue free, and heavy metal free and absolutely non-toxic.
We recommend all our products to be used with common caution
We recommend all our products to be used with common caution:
Use it in a well-ventilated area,
Avoid any oral consumption,
Avoid direct contact to human or animal skin due to its extremely low boiling point
Leave degreased surface over night before using it to carry any medical or food products."
http://purezho.com/
"Early Beginnings
Other than aqueous, one of the oldest methods of cleaning was degreasing with organic solvents. This process is generally called vapor degreasing, even though vapor-only cleaning is the most elemental level of that genre.
An early expert in the degreasing industry, Robert O. “Lefty” Grunditz, used to begin presentations with the statement that vapor degreasing was a misnomer. He said that vapor never cleaned anything until the warm vapor condensed on the cooler part and had dissolved and flushed the soil away.
A good example of that process is a demonstration of the way that rain develops. Holding a cool plate over a stream kettle produced condensation when the steam contacted the plate and rain happened.
The type of parts to be degreased and the procedures to do so have changed drastically over the years. There are many new people in various industries who may not be aware of this evolution and may be able to better understand some of their present degreasing problems and their solutions by learning the history of vapor degreasing. An education about the origins may clarify the “best practices” nature of solvent degreasing as it is today.
In the 1930s, G.S. Blakeslee & Company entered a new phase of the cleaning/degreasing business by purchasing basic vapor degreasing patents from Germany and introduced a new organic solvent, trichloroethylene.
Solvent Evolution
A brief look at the solvent evolution may be helpful here. Trichloroethylene was the first extensively used chemical in the early years. Perchlorethylene and methylene chloride followed.
The lower boiling precision solvents such as chlorofluorocarbons and the trichlor substitute trichloroethane held center state until environmental regulations changed the picture again. Now the number and variety of chemicals vying for attention is enormous.
HIGH PERFORMANCE
PURE ZHO
Our flagship product, Pure ZHO Degreaser, is a HaloAlklane based, phosphate-free, non-toxic, non-corrosive, non-caustic, and non-flammable sub-medical grade degreaser. By manipulating C-F bond of HaloAlklane Z Air discovered a compressed gas that is fully vanishing by complete evaporation and leaves no trace of any chemical compounds to the product it is degreasing.
Degreaser with such low Boiling Point (-57 C) helps complete evaporation while keeping high density (3.79 kg/M3 at 15 C), Pure ZHO will penetrate to all areas to remove any oil residue from the surface it is applied. Pure ZHO, due to its very low surface tension can penetrate the narrowest grooves and incisions to remove any impurities. The unique molecular structure of Pure ZHO guarantees compatibility with plant matters, and most plastics and metal surfaces. As an alternative to petroleum based products, Pure ZHO will provide higher performance and better safety for users with no adverse side effects to humans, animals, and plants.
Pure ZHO is liquefied gas that fully vanishes by complete evaporation, and non-flammable and non-toxic, suitable for substituting in place of chlorinated or petroleum based solvent degreaser and it can be used on medical, mechanical maintenance (e.g. equipment degreasing, part cleaning, tool degreasing, component washing, etc).
ORGANIC MZ 12X
Our second product, Organic MZ 12X is designed to provide heavier duty degreasing and it is formulated from Organic gas that is produced by nature. While it is still FLAMMABLE, its explosion point is much lower than that of a petroleum based degreaser. Additionally, its fully vanishing CEP; “Complete Evaporating Point” is even lower than that of Pure ZHO and contains zero heavy metal, much like Pure ZHO.
Because Organic MZ 12X is natural gas refined 12 times, engineered to be stronger than Pure ZHO, it will remove any grease or oil particles from surfaces even more thoroughly. However, because of characteristic differences from its sister product, Pure ZHO (which locks oil substance with its low temperature liquefied gas) Organic MZ 12X will dissolve ALL oily substances from the surfaces and grooves.
In comparison, Organic MZ 12X will remove more greases and oily substance then Pure ZHO, but it is left as FLAMMABLE gas in order to preserve its characteristics and Organic origin.
Organic MZ 12X is biodegradable, safe to environment, harmless to any living human, animals, or plants and it will leave degreased surface odor free, color free, residue free, and heavy metal free and absolutely non-toxic.
We recommend all our products to be used with common caution
We recommend all our products to be used with common caution:
Use it in a well-ventilated area,
Avoid any oral consumption,
Avoid direct contact to human or animal skin due to its extremely low boiling point
Leave degreased surface over night before using it to carry any medical or food products."
http://purezho.com/
Information about MSDS
Information about MSDS
Overview
A Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) is required under the U.S. OSHA Hazard Communication Standard. Most developed countries have similar regulations and requirements.* The MSDS is a detailed informational document prepared by the manufacturer or importer of a hazardous chemical.* It describes the physical and chemical properties of the product. MSDS’s contain useful information such as flash point, toxicity, procedures for spills and leaks, and storage guidelines. Information included in a Material Safety Data Sheet aids in the selection of safe products, helps you understand the potential health and physical hazards of a chemical and describes how to respond effectively to exposure situations. Although there is an effort currently underway to standardizes MSDS’s the quality of individual MSDS’s vary. A MSDS may be useful but it can not substitute for prudent practices and comprehensive risk management. To prepare an MSDS in compliance with the Health and Safety in Employment Act 1992 for New Zea land, click here.
Summary of MSDS Requirements
The requirements for MSDSs are found in paragraph (g) of 29 CFR 1910.1200 (See below for the full text of the regulation). MSDSs must be developed for hazardous chemicals used in the workplace, and must list the hazardous chemicals that are found in a product in quantities of 1% or greater, or 0.1% or greater if the chemical is a carcinogen. The MSDS does not have to list the amount that the hazardous chemical occurs in the product. Specifically.
The URL is faulty so go to google. google: regulation pertaining to MSDS
Information about MSDS
Overview
A Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) is required under the U.S. OSHA Hazard Communication Standard. Most developed countries have similar regulations and requirements.* The MSDS is a detailed informational document prepared by the manufacturer or importer of a hazardous chemical.* It describes the physical and chemical properties of the product. MSDS’s contain useful information such as flash point, toxicity, procedures for spills and leaks, and storage guidelines. Information included in a Material Safety Data Sheet aids in the selection of safe products, helps you understand the potential health and physical hazards of a chemical and describes how to respond effectively to exposure situations. Although there is an effort currently underway to standardizes MSDS’s the quality of individual MSDS’s vary. A MSDS may be useful but it can not substitute for prudent practices and comprehensive risk management. To prepare an MSDS in compliance with the Health and Safety in Employment Act 1992 for New Zea land, click here.
Summary of MSDS Requirements
The requirements for MSDSs are found in paragraph (g) of 29 CFR 1910.1200 (See below for the full text of the regulation). MSDSs must be developed for hazardous chemicals used in the workplace, and must list the hazardous chemicals that are found in a product in quantities of 1% or greater, or 0.1% or greater if the chemical is a carcinogen. The MSDS does not have to list the amount that the hazardous chemical occurs in the product. Specifically.
The URL is faulty so go to google. google: regulation pertaining to MSDS
J
jackgastche
Ok, well i'm kind of slow and may need this pointed out to me explicitly because I can't find where they are breaking any laws in their current state based on the links provided to me.
I'm not pro ZHO or against ZHO, im just trying to understand why everybody is reacting this way towards a product that is not available to anyone yet and has no set deadline of when it will be made available.
I'm not pro ZHO or against ZHO, im just trying to understand why everybody is reacting this way towards a product that is not available to anyone yet and has no set deadline of when it will be made available.
Momerath
Active member
I think everyone is putting this much scrutiny on Pure ZHO because it is obvious what they are marketing it for (extraction purposes), and with that comes very real health concerns and safety issues. Nobody wants to ingest a mystery chemical that can very well KILL or SERIOUSLY INJURE themselves, and these guys are responding to that scrutiny by being even more mysterious, misleading us, and changing the intended purpose of their product (now its a "degreaser"?). Very unprofessional.
It seems, to many of us, that this is a foreign enterprise whose sole intent is to profit off of us, extraction enthusiests. I for one take my health very seriously (that's why I am using extracts in the first place, instead of inhaling combusted plant matter), so when someone wants to sell me a product to be used IN MY MEDS, and I ask for an MSDS to know what I am working with/ingesting, and they refuse, well that just sets off warning lights in my head.
Like dad always said; "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..."
I am with SkyHighLer, if they wanna sell me a few cans I will gladly run a few columns and submit the resulting extract for analysis to one of a number of labs. But since they won't yet, guess we gotta wait and speculate
P.S. I am sure it does make a great degreaser if you ever need to clean your oven or car parts, check out what it did to that sharpie! Hehehe
It seems, to many of us, that this is a foreign enterprise whose sole intent is to profit off of us, extraction enthusiests. I for one take my health very seriously (that's why I am using extracts in the first place, instead of inhaling combusted plant matter), so when someone wants to sell me a product to be used IN MY MEDS, and I ask for an MSDS to know what I am working with/ingesting, and they refuse, well that just sets off warning lights in my head.
Like dad always said; "If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..."
I am with SkyHighLer, if they wanna sell me a few cans I will gladly run a few columns and submit the resulting extract for analysis to one of a number of labs. But since they won't yet, guess we gotta wait and speculate
P.S. I am sure it does make a great degreaser if you ever need to clean your oven or car parts, check out what it did to that sharpie! Hehehe
Bobbito Blaze
Member
I'm not sure what it is but was told when burning R-22 freon it Creates Fosgean gas not sure on the spelling. And don't 134a have oil in it
They say December,
"emailed them peeps, this is what i got
Dear Toby,
Thank you so much for your inquiry. Yes we are for real and very excited about our product. Unfortunately, our product won't be available until beginning of December, at which point please check our website and we should have our products ready for sale.
As of now MSRP will be around $12.00/can. For wholesalers and distributors, the price will be negotiable subject to quantity of their orders.
Sincerely,
PureZho Staff"
http://www.rollitup.org/concentrates-extracts/742416-pure-zho-4.html#post9750245
"skceo 8 days ago
Hi!
This is Dr.Z from Zair. It is not lack of ethics or code but rather guarding our fomula until we are ready to release to the public. And Jack Daniel it was can intended to fill up a wheel cleaning duster that we had to borrow trying to made samples in short time not 134A like you claim. 134A cannot extract anything without introducing heat to the process and it is toxic when heated. We do appreciate the interest and even wrong speculation like yours but MSDS will be posted before public release and until then we hope the community can be little more patient to see what really is. It is not marketing tactic but rather protecting a product from copycats and waiting for actual delivery of product to our shores."
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2013/1...keting_by_non-flammable_solvent_maker_zho.php
Sometimes you just have to get caught up on your e-mail. My bad:
Dear Graywolf,
Thank you so much for your interest in our product. We are scheduled to have our products in for sale approximately end of December or mid January,
at which point you will be able to purchase our products through our website. If you are a wholesaler/distributor we are looking for someone
in different regions as demand for our product has increased significantly. If this is something that interests you please email us for a possible meeting.
We look forward to hearing back from you.
Sincerely,
Staff at PureZho
P.S. MSDS and pricing will be available when our products are ready for sale.
Dear Graywolf,
Thank you so much for your interest in our product. We are scheduled to have our products in for sale approximately end of December or mid January,
at which point you will be able to purchase our products through our website. If you are a wholesaler/distributor we are looking for someone
in different regions as demand for our product has increased significantly. If this is something that interests you please email us for a possible meeting.
We look forward to hearing back from you.
Sincerely,
Staff at PureZho
P.S. MSDS and pricing will be available when our products are ready for sale.
It does have to include those components of health concern, but not the proprietary formulas.
I don't care about the formula, as much as what is in it.
"Pricing
PURE ZHO is a revolutionary product that is safe yet powerful. It provides safest and highest quality yield. MZ 12X is organic gas that is engineered to provide more powerful performance.
Our products are priced at affordable rates to meet our customer’s needs. We have promotional pricing available only on our website so give PURE ZHO and MZ 12X a try today.
PURE ZHO: *$8.99/can
plus shipping & handling (sales tax applies in WA State)
MZ 12X: * $7.99/can
plus shipping & handling (sales tax applies in WA State)
*The promotion sales is limited time only"
http://purezho.com/pricing/
AND STILL NO MSDS, or any other evidence to support their assertions of safety.
PURE ZHO is a revolutionary product that is safe yet powerful. It provides safest and highest quality yield. MZ 12X is organic gas that is engineered to provide more powerful performance.
Our products are priced at affordable rates to meet our customer’s needs. We have promotional pricing available only on our website so give PURE ZHO and MZ 12X a try today.
PURE ZHO: *$8.99/can
plus shipping & handling (sales tax applies in WA State)
MZ 12X: * $7.99/can
plus shipping & handling (sales tax applies in WA State)
*The promotion sales is limited time only"
http://purezho.com/pricing/
AND STILL NO MSDS, or any other evidence to support their assertions of safety.
METHYL MERCAPTIAN FREE COMPUTER DUSTER
2-13-14
Greetings Folks!
We have some exciting news. We, at Z Air Inc. developed yet another great product called MZ 12X. MZ 12X is an organic gas that is engineered to be stronger than PureZho. While MZ 12X is flammable it is NOT explosive like butane.
Like any other compressed gas caution should be taken when using MZ 12X. We are confident that you will not be disappointed.
While we are working with potential distributors in different regions we are launching a special web promotion, so be sure to check out our website for more info. Launching of this product is scheduled to be on or before Feb 20th.
Also check out our YouTube video at :
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mz12x&sm=1
Once again we thank you for all your continuous support and enthusiasm. Have a great week and email us with any questions/comments.
Sincerely,
Staff at Z Air, Inc.
2-14-14
Ladies/Gentlemen:
For me to use your product, or indeed to even take you seriously, you must provide me with MSDS's sheets, which are also required by law.
I've requested those, as have others, but thus far to no avail.
Please supply me with those documents, if you plan to continue to sell your product in the US, because I will draw your failure to do so to the attention of the proper authorities.
Graywolf
PS: Nothing personal. That law is there for a reason, and if you care to research court cases of those who thought they didn't have to comply, you will find that they uniformly lost.
2-20-14
MSDS is listed on our website.
Thank you.
2-21-14
Thank you!
That also puts things in perspective, although your MSDS doesn't reflect it.
Methylene Chloride MSDS sheets by others show it to be a Class 2-B carcinogen. Perhaps you might update your MSDS sheet to include that data?
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9926060
Peace, Graywolf
Greetings Folks!
We have some exciting news. We, at Z Air Inc. developed yet another great product called MZ 12X. MZ 12X is an organic gas that is engineered to be stronger than PureZho. While MZ 12X is flammable it is NOT explosive like butane.
Like any other compressed gas caution should be taken when using MZ 12X. We are confident that you will not be disappointed.
While we are working with potential distributors in different regions we are launching a special web promotion, so be sure to check out our website for more info. Launching of this product is scheduled to be on or before Feb 20th.
Also check out our YouTube video at :
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mz12x&sm=1
Once again we thank you for all your continuous support and enthusiasm. Have a great week and email us with any questions/comments.
Sincerely,
Staff at Z Air, Inc.
2-14-14
Ladies/Gentlemen:
For me to use your product, or indeed to even take you seriously, you must provide me with MSDS's sheets, which are also required by law.
I've requested those, as have others, but thus far to no avail.
Please supply me with those documents, if you plan to continue to sell your product in the US, because I will draw your failure to do so to the attention of the proper authorities.
Graywolf
PS: Nothing personal. That law is there for a reason, and if you care to research court cases of those who thought they didn't have to comply, you will find that they uniformly lost.
2-20-14
MSDS is listed on our website.
Thank you.
2-21-14
Thank you!
That also puts things in perspective, although your MSDS doesn't reflect it.
Methylene Chloride MSDS sheets by others show it to be a Class 2-B carcinogen. Perhaps you might update your MSDS sheet to include that data?
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9926060
Peace, Graywolf
