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Old 01-23-2016, 07:49 PM #31
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We stressed our plant when we brought them inside. If your plant is showing intersex traits from something then that is your decision for selection.

Grafting is a good solution if you would like to preserve something and have low plant numbers. Of course your roots can only support so much, that is up to the grower to control. Particularly if you are using the grafted plant for clone production.
Too many branches? Cut some other ones you dont need off. Of course we are completely forgetting that root mass grows larger to compensate for larger biomass up top?

If a few cuts ruins your plants you have bad genetics, certainly nothing like the stress of a deer stopping by too munch half of its biomass for lunch heh.

In cannabis graft attempts the most common cause of failure is not lining up the tissues correctly and not trimming leaf mass of the scion back appropriately to avoid wilt.
If they wilt check your tissue is lined up properly, spray the scion with water and trim back leaf mass, repeat until they stay perky.
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increased stress can cause a "perfect flower"...which is the science name for "hermy".
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Actually cannabis can have both perfect and imperfect male flowers....
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in a plant with intersex prone genes... thats on the growers/breeder selection. If a plant shows intersex traits from grafting it would probably do the same to a broken branch, nute stress, drought or any other strong stress factor.

Every plant grown indoors is under increased stress by default.

Are we saying that some plants will only intersex when put under graft stress?
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Think a graft hurt more than this?

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The thing is cannabis is an annual plant technically. Most grafting is done with dicot perennial woody types, mainly fruits, to increase productivity and to procure the crop that would otherwise not be possible commercially due to problems with hardiness, disease, etc. if the cultivar was grown as a whole. There are very few commercial fruit crops where grafting is not being used ie grapes, apples, peaches, etc. There are also a lot of ornamentals that are also grafted.

I’m not sure I see an advantage of grafting with cannabis other than, as mentioned before, maintaining multiple varieties on one plant as a mother for reasons such as plant counts. But then again to me the whole plant count thing is ridiculous.

Why not breed for better outcomes with weed and when found then use clones. If you want a stronger rootstock, breed for it. If you want to increase yield, breed for it. You want better structure, breed for it. I guess I make this argument because, other than revegging, what do you do with a grafted cannabis plant after it flowers, even if it does slightly increase yield or whatever.
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A plant is not a human lets not try to compare the two, Imagine the horror of the stress when you chop 50 clones off of a mom... Why arent they all showing intersex and the mom dieing and showing intersex?

If you are trying to say stress is the reason grafting would be bad for cannabis because it will cause intersex you are simply off base because any stress can cause intersex in a plant with weak genes in that regard and grafting causes no worse stress than all the ungodly shit we do to our plants starting by bringing them inside to grow, hell forcing your plant to grow a root ball is stessful and unnatural and guess what? Shitty plants will intersex from any stress. Your position seems skewed for some reason. I would question your plant selection skills and your science at this point.

Any stress can cause plants with weak sexual identity to show intersex....

In short if you graft a plant and it shows intersex you got a weak ass plant... and it will intersex under any other severe stress as well...
Good test for selection if you think it is so horrible of a stressor but sadly most cant be bothered to stress test for sex traits anyway.
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If grafting is the end all be all of stressors as you imply then graft your plants and if they dont intersex you got a winner! Adding even more value to the technique.
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Perfect = male and female both
Imperfect means male or female alone

This is something for ALL plants.
Like I said....you are over your head.....

OUr plants normally have only male or female flowers....

Cannabis has two types of hermies....

We call them balls and nanners....

The balls type has separate male and female flowers on the same plant....

the nanners type has female flowers....but it also has perfect flowers which means it has individual flowers with both male and female parts......

How old are you??????
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^yeah, true

Also, they are trying to take grafted vegetable principles and say the same benefits would happen with grafted cannabis

What about time lost for the graft to heal and start growing again?

Sure grafting cannabis can be done but it really isn't worth the cost for the minimum possible benefits (because no one has proved grafting GSC on Big Bud roots will make the GSC scion produce bigger buds), it would be easier to just plant more GSC or allow the GSC to grow larger before forcing flowering.
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^yeah, they are trying to take grafted vegetable principles and say the same benefits would happen with grafted cannabis

What about time lost for the graft to heal and start growing again?

Sure grafting cannabis can be done but it really isn't worth the cost for the minimum possible benefits (because no one has proved grafting GSC on Big Bud roots will make the GSC scion produce bigger buds), it would be easier to just plant more GSC.
Personally I think that idea has as much chance grafting plants from different families.....
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