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Gypsy Nirvana

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'a political activist and a chemical engineer' - maybe a chemical activist and a political engineer also?

Ahh - so this is one of the famous Coke (spelt Koch) brothers - I have heard tell a thing or two about this character - and the dynasty he represented.
 
M

moose eater

... and who worked hard & long to have the power of money (continue to) replace the concept of 'one person, one vote.'
 
M

moose eater

I think it was already a concept well-rooted and in place, even among the Founders of this Nation, hippie (*looking at who was initially able to vote, the general socioeconomic make-up of the Sons of Liberty, in contrast to the Commoners at that time, etc.). But it's also something that at times, we battled with the ethics of, pronounced concepts such as the one I referenced ('1 person, 1 vote'), and, sometimes more than others, actually seemed to be making our way in the right/more equitable direction.

In my opinion, we've entered a phase of political and social evolution that was the basis for why many of the Founders opposed corporations, and challenged their existence at several points in history.

In my observations, the DoD and Wall St. now instruct leadership in the Country (and other places) as to what 'the agenda' is, rather than Congress and the White House instructing those entities. The Globalists and war profiteers essentially now run the Country (and parts of the world), and only answer to their Oligarchy and, to a lesser degree, their shareholders.

That said, I think turning this 'ship' around is going to be ugly, if it can be done at all. We will need to see a new period of selflessness where sacrifices to the cause of real equity and justice are involved.
 

Gry

Well-known member
Don't care for the family a bit, but they have assembled
the most effective faction I aware of.
 
M

moose eater

Coupla' eye-catchers during the perusal of news via social media this morning;

FBI data indicates for the third year in a row, cannabis arrests are up, despite the trend toward legalization moving across or through the USA.

I considered this, and thought, maybe it's not just a matter of 'The Empire Strikes Back,' but what we saw in Alaska in the mid-1970s, through the early 1980s, which was that once quasi-legalization or legalization/decriminalization took effect, some folks abandoned more respectful boundaries, and despite having quasi-legal weed in specific settings, let their proverbial hair down in a sort of reaction to the lessening of consequences, setting themselves up for numerous outcomes, that included (sometimes, but rarely back then) continued arrests for pushing the envelope, and what later came to be re-criminalization, via the unconstitutional State vote in 1990 (which took us about 11 years of nonsense to turn back around), as folks 'on the fence' became more incensed at those who became more and more brazen with their cultivation or use, rather than keeping it more private, which was what the law emphasized back then.

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The second tidbit was more local to Alaska. Seems a mental health therapist in the Anchorage area (an LCSW <licensed clinical social worker; one of 2 licenses I carried once upon a time>) who worked, in part or mostly, with sexually abused kids, has been charged by the Feds with child pornography crimes..

Don't know the guy, and he may or may not be guilty. But a former State legislator and activist I know and have worked political action gigs with, once pointed out that the presence of a zip file on your computer, that you may not even be aware of its presence, and may have been sent by a nefarious ill-intending 'other,' is technically sufficient grounds under today's laws to get such charges.

If the guy is guilty, and worse yet, if he preyed on his under-age clients (indications in the charging docs are that the children in the images were under the age of 12), then he needs the full measure of the law to be leveled upon him.

If it's a set-up, then the 'doers' need to be apprehended, and should serve what ever time the alleged perpetrator was in-line for receiving.

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In even MORE local news than that, the heat fan (maybe the resistor) has failed on the vehicle I was subsidizing the repairs on for my older son, and my younger son's vehicle seems to have had a back-fire sufficient to blow out a valve cover gasket (where, in theory, there shouldn't be any compression from combustion at all), leading me to believe that he has a stuck valve and likely a destroyed valve guide... at a minimum...

Vehicle repairs; when it rains it pours, and I'm, starting to get an attitude about it... :moon:
 
X

xavier7995

I could see it leading to a crackdown. I shake my head at the weedtard shit around denver.
 
M

moose eater

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/cri...0HP5TPsfF7lLJhcsyKXEMwfobs1YM3KeryW-5iGwMuzE8

Seems that the child porn bust involving the MH LCSW in Anchorage wasn't the only issue the Feds had spider-webs strung for. There appears to have been a child porn sting going on, using craigslist, and now a fellow who used to be the guy in charge of juvenile prisons in Alaska has plead guilty to possessing child porn, as well as solicitation, involving children.

In dialogue on-line with a UC FBI person, who had posted the ad that snagged the former head of juvenile justice in Alaska, when asked about whether the former head of juvie prisons had ever engaged in this sort of behavior, he reportedly stated it was "not unfamiliar territory."

Makes me wonder how many of the juvenile males and females whose welfare he was ultimately responsible for, were victimized by this guy.

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Oh, and the reported rape stats in Alaska have such crimes increasing by 11% in the last year, if I read that (separate) report correctly.

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So what was that whole shtick about humans being made in God's image?? I wanna' hear all about that again.. One more time..
 
M

Mr D

We really need to lower those drug prices...


This is the story of a medical drug, a famous drug company, trust, betrayal, and mass murder.

After 30 years, the truth is confirmed—Eli Lilly, the maker of Prozac, secretly paid off plaintiffs in a court case.

The plaintiffs were families of victims killed by a man who went violently crazy after taking Prozac.

The mass shooting took place in 1989, in Kentucky. I covered the case in 1999, by which time the Lilly payoff was an open secret among some lawyers, doctors, and reporters.

But NOW we have confessions from the plaintiffs who took Lilly’s money. In the trial, Eli Lilly was exonerated, absolved of any blame for murders by the jury.

Ahrp.org: “The Louisville Courier Journal reports that thirty years after Joseph Wesbecker went on a deadly shooting rampage in Louisville Kentucky, on September 14, 1989, the families and survivors of his actions have finally come forward to tell the truth. They were plaintiffs in a lawsuit against Eli Lilly because they had reason to believe that Prozac, manufactured by Lilly, had been the trigger that propelled Wesbecker on his violent rampage. Eli Lilly had paid these plaintiffs $20 million in hush money to conceal damaging evidence about Lilly’s culpability in marketing defective, deadly drugs from the jury in the Wesbecker- Eli Lilly trial.”

The Louisville Courier Journal: “On the eve of the jury’s verdict, which absolved Lilly of liability, the company made the secret payment without telling the judge overseeing the case. In exchange for the payment, the plaintiffs – eight estates and 11 survivors – agreed to withhold damaging evidence about the arthritis drug Oraflex that Lilly withdrew from the market. Lilly [had previously] pleaded guilty to 25 criminal misdemeanor counts for failing to report adverse reactions that patients suffered from the drug [Oraflex], and the drug company feared that the Prozac jury would be more inclined to rule against the drugmaker [on Prozac] if it learned of it.”

In other words, the court, which was willing to hear evidence about Lilly’s Oraflex cover-up, never did hear that evidence, which would have alerted the jury that Eli Lilly had a track record of concealing damning truths about its drugs.

AHRP: “Circuit Judge John Potter, the judge in the [Prozac] case, suspected that Lilly bribed plaintiffs and their lawyers before the jury verdict. He uncovered evidence of bribery, and fought Eli Lilly for years but failed to obtain [proof of] the terms of the [Prozac payoff] deal. Lilly succeeded in keeping its criminal action from a judicial proceeding. As is Eli Lilly’s norm and practice; it trashed the judge for his pursuit of the truth.”

The Louisville Courier Journal: “The drugmaker that produces Prozac, the antidepressant that Joseph Wesbecker’s victims blamed for his deadly shooting rampage 30 years ago at Standard Gravure, secretly paid the victims $20 million [in 1994] to help ensure a verdict exonerating the drug company. Indianapolis-based Eli Lilly vigorously shielded the payment for more than two decades, defying a Louisville judge who fought to reveal it because he said it swayed the jury’s verdict.”

“Wesbecker began taking Prozac about a month before his murderous spree that killed eight and wounded 12 in the print shop attached to the Courier Journal. All but one of the victims sued Eli Lilly, the company that manufactured the popular but controversial drug.”

“On Sept. 14, 1989, Wesbecker, a pressman who had been placed on long-term disability leave for severe mental illness, entered Standard Gravure around 8:30 a.m., carrying a bag full of weapons, including a semiautomatic rifle. Over the next 30 minutes, Wesbecker walked through the building, firing more than 40 rounds at those he encountered before shooting himself in the [head] with a handgun. It is the worst mass shooting in Kentucky’s history.”

You need to understand that a diagnosis of “severe mental illness” is a far cry from “killing eight people and wounding 12 people.” The two factors are not automatically connected as cause and effect. If they were, we would see a dozen mass murders every day. That said, according to press reports, Wesbecker did have thoughts about committing violence before he was started on Prozac, and even made threats to commit murder. But he didn’t kill anyone until after taking Prozac. And the charge against Prozac was: it was the chemical trigger that pushed Wesbecker over the edge from thought into horrific action. (In that regard, see the brief collection of studies I cite below.) In any event, no argument about motivations for murder justifies Eli Lilly’s $20 million bribe to the plaintiffs. Lilly wanted an absolute slam dunk in the Wesbecker trial, to protect itself from many other law suits where, no doubt, the role of Prozac in suicide and murder was more vivid.

You also need to understand the status of Prozac in the years leading up to the rigged 1994 trial in Kentucky that falsely exonerated Eli Lilly. I’m talking about media coverage, psychiatric literature, the court system, and the mindset of the public. Prozac was precariously perched on a ledge. Would it gain universal acceptance? Would it be exposed as a gross danger? At the time of the Kentucky court case, there were roughly 100 other law suits against the drug heading toward trial. The outcome of the Kentucky Wesbecker case would send a powerful signal to lawyers and plaintiffs about the odds of winning judgments against Eli Lilly and Prozac. If Lilly were exonerated in Kentucky (and it was, through payoffs), lawyers in other such cases would back off. They would see little point in trying to prove Prozac was a grave danger.

Here is some background about Prozac in those years. It illustrates how great the threat was to Eli Lilly’s blockbuster antidepressant then—and, by comparison, how little any concern is allowed into the public arena now.

On February 7th, 1991, Amy Marcus’ Wall Street Journal article on the drug carried the headline, “Murder Trials Introduce Prozac Defense.” She wrote, “A spate of murder trials in which defendants claim they became violent when they took the antidepressant Prozac are imposing new problems for the drug’s maker, Eli Lilly and Co.”

Also on February 7, 1991, the New York Times ran a Prozac piece headlined, “Suicidal Behavior Tied Again to Drug: Does Antidepressant Prompt Violence?”

In his landmark book, Toxic Psychiatry, Dr. Breggin mentions that the Donahue show (Feb. 28, 1991) “put together a group of individuals who had become compulsively self-destructive and murderous after taking Prozac and the clamorous telephone and audience response confirmed the problem.”

Breggin also cites a troubling study from the February 1990 American Journal of Psychiatry (Teicher et al, v.147:207-210) which reports on “six depressed patients, previously free of recent suicidal ideation, who developed intense, violent suicidal preoccupations after 2-7 weeks of fluoxetine [Prozac] treatment. The suicidal preoccupations lasted from three days to three months after termination of the treatment. The report estimates that 3.5 percent of Prozac users were at risk. While denying the validity of the study, Dista Products, a division of Eli Lilly, put out a brochure for doctors dated August 31, 1990, stating that it was adding ‘suicidal ideation’ to the adverse events section of its Prozac product information.”

An earlier study, from the September 1989 Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, by Joseph Lipiniski, Jr., indicates that, in five examined cases, people on Prozac developed what is called akathisia. Symptoms include intense anxiety, inability to sleep, the “jerking of extremities,” and “bicycling in bed or just turning around and around.” Breggin comments that akathisia “may also contribute to the drug’s tendency to cause self-destructive or violent tendencies … Akathisia can become the equivalent of biochemical torture and could possibly tip someone over the edge into self-destructive or violent behavior … The June 1990 Health Newsletter, produced by the Public Citizen Research Group, reports, ‘Akathisia, or symptoms of restlessness, constant pacing, and purposeless movements of the feet and legs, may occur in 10-25 percent of patients on Prozac.’”

There are other studies: “Emergence of self-destructive phenomena in children and adolescents during fluoxetine [Prozac] treatment,” published in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (1991, vol.30), written by RA King, RA Riddle, et al. It reports self-destructive phenomena in 14% (6/42) of children and adolescents (10-17 years old) who had treatment with fluoxetine (Prozac) for obsessive-compulsive disorder.

July, 1991. Journal of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. Hisako Koizumi, MD, describes a thirteen-year-old boy who was on Prozac: “full of energy,” “hyperactive,” “clown-like.” All this devolved into sudden violent actions which were “totally unlike him.”

September, 1991. The Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. Author Laurence Jerome reports the case of a ten-year old who moves with his family to a new location. Becoming depressed, the boy is put on Prozac by a doctor. The boy is then “hyperactive, agitated … irritable.” He makes a “somewhat grandiose assessment of his own abilities.” Then he calls a stranger on the phone and says he is going to kill him. The Prozac is stopped, and the symptoms disappear.

(What is true about Prozac is true about Paxil or Zoloft or any of the other SSRI antidepressants. And be warned: suddenly withdrawing from any psychiatric drug can be extremely dangerous to the patient. Gradual withdrawal must be done under the supervision of a professional who understands exactly what he/she is doing.)

So—A drug company, Eli Lilly; a drug, Prozac; mass murder; trust; betrayal.

A final piece of the truth now comes to light in the Wesbecker case.
 

h.h.

Active member
Veteran
If the money went to the colleges and the colleges did the research, prices would drop.
In our free market society, we can’t just demand they lower prices.
We could have fewer regulations resulting in more death.
What’s a good conservative to do? Pay through the nose.
 

h.h.

Active member
Veteran
https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/cri...0HP5TPsfF7lLJhcsyKXEMwfobs1YM3KeryW-5iGwMuzE8

Seems that the child porn bust involving the MH LCSW in Anchorage wasn't the only issue the Feds had spider-webs strung for. There appears to have been a child porn sting going on, using craigslist, and now a fellow who used to be the guy in charge of juvenile prisons in Alaska has plead guilty to possessing child porn, as well as solicitation, involving children.

In dialogue on-line with a UC FBI person, who had posted the ad that snagged the former head of juvenile justice in Alaska, when asked about whether the former head of juvie prisons had ever engaged in this sort of behavior, he reportedly stated it was "not unfamiliar territory."

Makes me wonder how many of the juvenile males and females whose welfare he was ultimately responsible for, were victimized by this guy.

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Oh, and the reported rape stats in Alaska have such crimes increasing by 11% in the last year, if I read that (separate) report correctly.

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So what was that whole shtick about humans being made in God's image?? I wanna' hear all about that again.. One more time..

Sick SOB.

Put him in with Epstein.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
>> So—A drug company, Eli Lilly; a drug, Prozac; mass murder; trust; betrayal.

A final piece of the truth now comes to light in the Wesbecker case.



But you can trust the $4 Trillion American Death Care industry.

Really, you can. /sarc
 
M

moose eater

We really need to lower those drug prices...

About 1992 or 1993 (maybe), I had a number of clients, ranging from adolescents to early middle-aged adults, (several altogether) who had reported strange intensification of generalized stress, which left some feeling like there was an impending, unexplained explosion or implosion (mostly emotionally) about to take place.

I informed our consulting psychiatrist for our clinic about this observation, and his reply was that there was no evidence of such data in the research re. the SSRIs in question, to indicate any such phenomenon.

What wasn't known was that the researchers (working for the manufacturers of such drugs) had buried relative data.

Years later, after life experiences left me severely impacted, I tried SSRIs for a very brief period, and experienced much the same results as the limited group of clients I referenced above. My choice, after a brief period, was to cease taking them, and instead deal with the circumstantial or situational depression that too many deaths bring.


My exact words, to my wife, as well as a physician, were that, "If this is the answer to depression, I think I'd rather deal with the depression. When folks drop like flies around us over time, we're supposed to be affected."

NOTE: SSRIs DO benefit a great many persons; more than they harm, from what I have witnessed & read.

BUT: if you read a Physicians' Desk Reference, page after page of FDA approved drugs often carry several pages each of what are known potential side-effects, sometimes quite horrible, or even lethal. When the companies involved BURY that data, knowingly, THAT should result in severe prison sentences, and large cash compensation to any victims, both direct AND indirect.

The blow to the chops is added when considering the mark-up on Rx drugs, often up into the 10,000 to 100,000 % mark-up, in MANY categories of drugs, then consider that many of these drugs, to one extent or another, were researched and developed with U.S. Tax Dollars, by way of grants.

In other words, WE are often paying for the research, which isn't even always revealed in full illumination or truth, and we're gouged on top of all of that, after financially sponsoring the R&D end of it.

If I haven't made my opinion of Big Pharma implicitly clear in this post, feel free to ask.:biggrin:
 
M

moose eater

Sick SOB.

Put him in with Epstein.

I have 2 nephews and a niece from my deceased sister, for whom I rejected the proposal by another quasi-State entity to take them when they were being removed, for several valid reasons, but which later caused me, and still causes me some degree of regret.

The 2 nephews (one in particular) went through the foster care and adoptive process in another State (not Alaska), and both were subjected to the production of child pornography.

The State the children were removed from is a State that has greater rights for mentally ill or challenged parents than most states, but my sister had burned out her options.

The premise that children are better off in foster care, juvenile justice facilities, or adoptive families is often more incorrect than many know. There's a GREAT deal of abuse that takes place in such settings; not all, but many/some.

The trauma on a kid who is already displaced, and uncertain about their future, followed by betrayal to what ever degree by family, to then have the State or their adjuncts commit what is sometimes even greater abuse, leaves many struggling to trust anyone ever again.
 
M

Mr D

About 1992 or 1993 (maybe), I had a number of clients, ranging from adolescents to early middle-aged adults, (several altogether) who had reported strange intensification of generalized stress, which left some feeling like there was an impending, unexplained explosion or implosion (mostly emotionally) about to take place.

I informed our consulting psychiatrist for our clinic about this observation, and his reply was that there was no evidence of such data in the research re. the SSRIs in question, to indicate any such phenomenon.

What wasn't known was that the researchers (working for the manufacturers of such drugs) had buried relative data.

Years later, after life experiences left me severely impacted, I tried SSRIs for a very brief period, and experienced much the same results as the limited group of clients I referenced above. My choice, after a brief period, was to cease taking them, and instead deal with the circumstantial or situational depression that too many deaths bring.


My exact words, to my wife, as well as a physician, were that, "If this is the answer to depression, I think I'd rather deal with the depression. When folks drop like flies around us over time, we're supposed to be affected."

NOTE: SSRIs DO benefit a great many persons; more than they harm, from what I have witnessed & read.

BUT: if you read a Physicians' Desk Reference, page after page of FDA approved drugs often carry several pages each of what are known potential side-effects, sometimes quite horrible, or even lethal. When the companies involved BURY that data, knowingly, THAT should result inn prison sentences, and cash compensation of great amount to any victims.

The blow to the chops is added when considering the mark-up on Rx drugs, often up into the 10,000 to 100,000 % mark-up, in MANY categories of drugs, then consider that most/many of these drugs, to one extent or another, were researched and developed with U.S. Tax Dollars, by way of grants.

In other words, WE are often paying for the research, which isn't even always revealed in full illumination or truth, and we're gouged on top of all of that, after financially sponsoring the R&D end of it.

If I haven't made my opinion of Big Pharma implicitly clear in this post, feel free to ask.:biggrin:

SSRI's are pseudo science any perceived benefit is from the placebo effect. It's been proven time and time again in double blind placebo studies. I know some people swear by them but that doesn't mean they work.

The American diet is very high in Omega 6 fatty acids which causes a whole host of physical and mental problems. Increase your Omega 3 intake and get back your Omegas in balance, depression and anxiety will melt away.

Multi Billions in profits and all I hear about is we spend money on research. Yes they do spend millions on research....which results in Billions in profits.

10 or 15 years ago a CEO of one of the big drug companies said in an interview that 80% of prescription drugs don't work and the 20% that do only work on some people.

Adverse reactions from prescription drugs used in accordance with the label kill more people than guns and a whole lot of other things. Between adverse Prescription drug interactions and medical mistakes 200,000 a people a year die.
 

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