Trumps United Nations speech

Cannavore · Sep 26, 2018

OldSchoolGrow said:
What does buying goods from another country have to do with being a globalist? I have clothes that are made from other countries, I am a globalist now? Come on.......

the guy who constantly talks about america first has all of his goods made outside of america. i thought the trump crowd is always yelling about how globalization is shipping jobs out of the country? trump has outsourced more jobs in his first year in office than obama did lol. so not only is he a globalist, he's a fake populist too.

Trading weapons is a globalist thing now?

selling weapons for business favors is american imperialism 101

I think you are confusing a global business man with a globalist.

globalism = imperialism= neoliberalism its all the same thing. trump's no different.

When Trump gets up and tell the United Nations to bug off because the USA is a sovereign nation, that is all you really need to know.

it tells me that he's a moron. our sovereignty is not under threat and he's only alienating allies in the process.

The fact that Trump is pulling away from things like

the Paris agreement

which is retarded

Iran nuclear deal

again retarded

UN human rights council

pretty sure the saudis were either on or led this council, so it's obviously a joke

OPEC

we should be getting off fossil fuels. odd though how oil was at record low prices just a couple years ago.....

socialism should tell you something

socialism is the opposite of globalism. but i wouldnt expect trump or any of his morons to know this. my new favorite line from trump is "the democrats want to raid medicare for socialism"

news flash, the US is a mixed economy of capitalism and socialism and it has been for a very long time.

second news flash, venezuela is not a socialist country.

the president of the free world doesn't know entry level political science definitions.

oldhaole · Sep 26, 2018

OldSchoolGrow said:
How about this policy, anybody have a problem with this one?

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC)
“OPEC and OPEC nations, are, as usual, ripping off the rest of the world, and I don’t like it. Nobody should like it. We defend many of these nations for nothing, and then they take advantage of us by giving us high oil prices. Not good. We want them to stop raising prices, we want them to start lowering prices, and they must contribute substantially to military protection from now on. We are not going to put up with it — these horrible prices — much longer.”

Now that the USA is the largest producer of oil in the world, we can now actually do something about OPEC. Good job America!

Here's a perfect example of why the world laughs at the orange idiot. In 2016 oil was $40-$50 a barrel. 2017 it was $50-$60, 2018 it climbed to $75. Trump would like you to believe that it's all OPEC's fault.

But it's not. In 2017 OPEC cut production by less than 1% of worldwide consumption. The US added 2% to the worldwide supply through increased production. Nevertheless the price of oil has almost doubled under Trump's reign. The main reason the price of crude oil has increased is global demand. But there are other reasons why.

For instance Trump has thrown out mileage requirements so that todays cars can use more gas. But more importantly Trump has sanctions on both Venezuela and Iran. That's 7% of the world's production of oil held hostage by the King of Stupid. Not OPEC. That's where your price increase comes from.

I'm sure the leaders and dignitaries there are fairly intelligent people. They remember George W Bush's invasion of Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, you know, all the lies, it isn't like we have a great reputation in that area. They are well aware that Trump doesn't give a shit when American bombs are dropped by Saudi Arabia on a busload of children in Yemen.

Now let's talk about the UN. It's done far more good than bad. Without "globalism" as Trump sees it South Korea would not exist. The ability to come together to solve the worlds problems is not a bad thing, even if you gotta pay for most of it and everyone there hates your guts. Your gonna have to deal with crap like the ICC, which no US president has ever suggested we would be open to. But Trump needs a boogieman, so he points to it like it's gonna happen tomorrow and only he can stop it. But then again, some countries have extradition treaties with others, US included, so in effect some bit of globalism already exists, and the world has not ground to a stop.

So yes, they laughed. That's what polite people do when they are getting lied to.

OldSchoolGrow · Sep 26, 2018

Cannavore said:
second news flash, venezuela is not a socialist country.

Lots of what you said is pure rubbish, but this takes the cake, thanks. :laughing:

OldSchoolGrow · Sep 26, 2018

oldhaole said:
Here's a perfect example of why the world laughs at the orange idiot. In 2016 oil was $40-$50 a barrel. 2017 it was $50-$60, 2018 it climbed to $75. Trump would like you to believe that it's all OPEC's fault.

But it's not. In 2017 OPEC cut production by less than 1% of worldwide consumption. The US added 2% to the worldwide supply through increased production. Nevertheless the price of oil has almost doubled under Trump's reign. The main reason the price of crude oil has increased is global demand. But there are other reasons why.

For instance Trump has thrown out mileage requirements so that todays cars can use more gas. But more importantly Trump has sanctions on both Venezuela and Iran. That's 7% of the world's production of oil held hostage by the King of Stupid. Not OPEC. That's where your price increase comes from.

I'm sure the leaders and dignitaries there are fairly intelligent people. They remember George W Bush's invasion of Iraq, weapons of mass destruction, you know, all the lies, it isn't like we have a great reputation in that area. They are well aware that Trump doesn't give a shit when American bombs are dropped by Saudi Arabia on a busload of children in Yemen.

Now let's talk about the UN. It's done far more good than bad. Without "globalism" as Trump sees it South Korea would not exist. The ability to come together to solve the worlds problems is not a bad thing, even if you gotta pay for most of it and everyone there hates your guts. Your gonna have to deal with crap like the ICC, which no US president has ever suggested we would be open to. But Trump needs a boogieman, so he points to it like it's gonna happen tomorrow and only he can stop it. But then again, some countries have extradition treaties with others, US included, so in effect some bit of globalism already exists, and the world has not ground to a stop.

So yes, they laughed. That's what polite people do when they are getting lied to.

edit

I notice you didn't list any other years of gas prices..... Every other year you didn't list, the prices were much higher than current levels. Who's fault was that? Obama?

Kind of a mute point, are you really arguing that oil prices should be dictated by other countries, when the USA is the worlds largest producer? That is what OPEC does.

Cannavore · Sep 26, 2018

OldSchoolGrow said:
Lots of what you said is pure rubbish, but this takes the cake, thanks.

without even getting into the CIA's involvement in Latin America since their inception overthrowing leaders and establishing coup's, propping up right wing militaristic groups and dictators, or the fact that Venezuela's entire economy is based around the export of a single commodity.......

their economy is 70+% privately owned

that's not socialism by the very definition of the word.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

socialism means public ownership.

The US beer brewery New Belgium Brewery is more socialist than Venezuela as the company is 100% entirely worker run and worker owned business. lol. no gods no masters.

OldSchoolGrow · Sep 26, 2018

Cannavore said:
without even getting into the CIA's involvement in Latin America since their inception overthrowing leaders and establishing coup's, propping up right wing militaristic groups and dictators, or the fact that Venezuela's entire economy is based around the export of a single commodity.......

their economy is 70+% privately owned

that's not socialism by the very definition of the word.

so·cial·ism
ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

socialism means public ownership.

The US beer brewery New Belgium Brewery is more socialist than Venezuela as the company is 100% entirely worker run and worker owned business. lol. no gods no masters.

Did you have to channel Alex Jones on that one? :laughing:

Da Nile isn't just a river in Africa

Guest · Sep 26, 2018

armedoldhippy said:
there ARE a few facts in his speech. he is right about Venezuela. but the folks he keeps hoping will move here, instead of people from shithole countries in Africa and Middle East? you know, Norway, Sweden & other white majority nations? they are ALL semi-socialist at bare minimum, and they do not WANT to live here. failures? not hardly... but lots of bullshit, and blowing of hot air up his own ass. if he could keep his mouth shut, he would lift off & fly away like the guy in the Wizard of Oz in the balloon. but, he is physically incapable of keeping his mouth shut, even to save his own sorry ass.

You mention small countries like Norway and Sweden and some of the other Nordic countries in that region are pretty much socialist states. And it works to a degree for them. Why? Because compared to a country like the US its a micro economy and doesnt have the millions of slugs on welfare or illegal immigrants overloading the resources of the country. It works in those small countries because pretty much all of the citizens contribute to the economy and well being of the country. Not being welfare slobs or criminals or any of the other reasons that drag down the social services that were/are meant to be temporary or for tax paying citizens. Not mule-generational families that can barely speak english or will attempt to get an education and become productive members of society. You know the type Im talking about, bernie supporters and bammy free phone types.

The truth sucks for liberals when it comes to economics.

OldSchoolGrow · Sep 26, 2018

stewart169 said:
You mention small countries like Norway and Sweden and some of the other Nordic countries in that region are pretty much socialist states. And it works to a degree for them. Why? Because compared to a country like the US its a micro economy and doesnt have the millions of slugs on welfare or illegal immigrants overloading the resources of the country. It works in those small countries because pretty much all of the citizens contribute to the economy and well being of the country. Not being welfare slobs or criminals or any of the other reasons that drag down the social services that were/are meant to be temporary or for tax paying citizens. Not mule-generational families that can barely speak english or will attempt to get an education and become productive members of society. You know the type Im talking about, bernie supporters and bammy free phone types.

The truth sucks for liberals when it comes to economics.

Not to mention those countries are currently running from socialism. As their cultural base widens, the socialist ways are deteriorating.

Cannavore · Sep 26, 2018

stewart169 said:
You mention small countries like Norway and Sweden and some of the other Nordic countries in that region are pretty much socialist states. And it works to a degree for them. Why? Because compared to a country like the US its a micro economy

that doesn't stop people from comparing the agenda of bernie sanders with that of venezuela though does it? haha

and doesnt have the millions of slugs on welfare or illegal immigrants overloading the resources of the country.

i thought sweden and those countries were being overrun with refugees lol which one is it? can't have it both ways.

also those economies are welfare states, so yes, those countries are on welfare lol even moreso than the US.

the US does not have illegal immigrants overloading the resources of the country either. and illegals are not eligible for welfare.

Not being welfare slobs or criminals or any of the other reasons that drag down the social services that were/are meant to be temporary or for tax paying citizens.

did you know most people on welfare in the US are working? hell, something like 40% of HOMELESS people in the US have employment. welfare exists because of capitalisms downfalls not the other way around. 50% of the US workforce makes $30,000/yr or less.

Not mule-generational families that can barely speak english or will attempt to get an education and become productive members of society. You know the type Im talking about, bernie supporters and bammy free phone types.

rhetoric not based in reality

The truth sucks for liberals when it comes to economics.

the poorest states in the country that use the most welfare are all red states.

the economy historically does better under democrats than republicans.

OldSchoolGrow · Sep 26, 2018

Cannavore said:
the economy historically does better under democrats than republicans.

Do Dems run the economy better? Nope.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4d55b2c4f46b

Cannavore · Sep 26, 2018

OldSchoolGrow said:
Not to mention those countries are currently running from socialism. As their cultural base widens, the socialist ways are deteriorating.

those countries are not socialist. bernie sanders is not a socialist

AGAIN

socialism means public ownership of the economy. Scandinavia has mixed economies of regulated capitalism and socialism, just like the US. the difference is we in the US have unfettered capitalism and less socialism in the areas where we need it (health care), and an excess of socialism where we dont (military).

advocating for a return to a more even distribution of regulated capitalism does not make someone or a country, socialist. these are welfare states, or social democracies. bernie sanders' policies align with social democracy.

Cannavore · Sep 26, 2018

OldSchoolGrow said:
Did you have to channel Alex Jones on that one?

Da Nile isn't just a river in Africa

the CIA's involvement in latin america (and elsewhere in the world) is declassified established fact.

Cannavore · Sep 26, 2018

OldSchoolGrow said:

the president has little do to with the economy but since you guys like to keep bringing it up

oldhaole · Sep 26, 2018

you made a mistake...again

you made a mistake...again

OldSchoolGrow said:
edit

I notice you didn't list any other years of gas prices..... Every other year you didn't list, the prices were much higher than current levels. Who's fault was that? Obama?

Kind of a mute point, are you really arguing that oil prices should be dictated by other countries, when the USA is the worlds largest producer? That is what OPEC does.

That'd disingenuous. Nowhere above am I saying that. Try again.

Oil prices are mostly supply and demand. No country sets a price, the world does. OPEC does not set a price. Never did. They work by cutting or increasing production.

Obama did not curtail world supply by manufacturing a crisis with Iran, far from it, he came to agreement with them further increasing supply, thus prices fell on his watch. When Trump curtails 7% of available supply, for him to blame OPEC for the disruption is just plain bullshit. OPEC has little to do with why the price of gas has doubled up under Trump.

Trump and his policies are why the price of gas has gone up.

That's what I'm saying.

Stoner4Life · Sep 26, 2018

I heard that not only does trump have ALL of his fashion line made overseas, but he personally prefers to hire foreign workers, sexy/alluring gals for his Mar a Lago digs to be more specific.......

He has virtually shut out hiring American workers as his staff there.

to say that I don't respect the man would be an understatement.

OldSchoolGrow · Sep 26, 2018

Cannavore said:
the president has little do to with the economy but since you guys like to keep bringing it up

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figures with zero context means zero.......

Do democrats run the economy better, nope
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4d55b2c4f46b

Cannavore · Sep 26, 2018

OldSchoolGrow said:
Do Dems run the economy better? Nope.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4d55b2c4f46b

from your own article, which is my entire point.

"since the late 1940s, the economy has consistently performed better under Democratic presidents than under Republican ones. The gap is huge. From 1949 to 2013 — a period when the White House was roughly split between parties — the economy grew at an average annual rate of 3.33 percent, but growth under Democratic presidents averaged 4.35 percent and under Republicans, 2.54 percent. Jobs, stocks and living standards all advanced faster under Democrats."

i agree with their overall claim though. presidents dont impact the economy that greatly. but that doesn't stop the trumptards from using it as proof of how great he is.

OldSchoolGrow · Sep 26, 2018

Stoner4Life said:
I heard that not only does trump have ALL of his fashion line made overseas, but he personally prefers to hire foreign workers, sexy/alluring gals to be more specific.......

to say that I don't respect the man would be an understatement.

I thought he hated minorities and was racist.... Now he buys everything and hires everybody from overseas? You guys can't keep your hysteria strait.......

Gypsy Nirvana · Sep 26, 2018

Seems like the best business is done in a war economy, looking at those figures - Truman WW2 - Kennedy/Johnson Vietnam - Reagan War on Drugs/Contra's, Grenada - Bush Wars in Middle East etc

Cannavore said:
the president has little do to with the economy but since you guys like to keep bringing it up

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OldSchoolGrow · Sep 26, 2018

Cannavore said:
from your own article, which is my entire point.

"since the late 1940s, the economy has consistently performed better under Democratic presidents than under Republican ones. The gap is huge. From 1949 to 2013 — a period when the White House was roughly split between parties — the economy grew at an average annual rate of 3.33 percent, but growth under Democratic presidents averaged 4.35 percent and under Republicans, 2.54 percent. Jobs, stocks and living standards all advanced faster under Democrats."

i agree with their overall claim though. presidents dont impact the economy that greatly. but that doesn't stop the trumptards from using it as proof of how great he is.

Nobody claimed Trump is great for this... YOu were saying how not great he is because of this.... Then you admit it's not the presidents fault that gas goes up or down, after saying it was Trumps fault because he outlawed Venesula oil...... Not sure where you are going with all this.....

I find it funny, you take the one part of the article that backs your side. However you leave the context of what that was saying, and the other twenty paragraphs showing why that statement was false..... cherry picking.

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