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Old 11-15-2013, 04:02 AM #21
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My only goal is to help.

I have had these symptoms too my friends.

I truly fucking wish I didn't... I love weed. The smell, the tastes, the lifestyle (I had dreads down to my ass), growing the beautiful mama marijuana is so rewarding...

I am told that I grow it really well. Check my albums.

My whole life revolves around the good herb.

Sux that it seems to be making me sick.

It honestly makes me want to cry if I think about it.
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Old 11-15-2013, 04:18 AM #22
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@ Rulatone

The reason the synthetics cause the same problems, and are quite a bit more pronounced, is that they are FULL AGONISTS for CB1 & CB2.

Δ9-THC (and the other phytocannabinoids) are only PARTIAL AGONISTS.

I think you may understand this concept even if some others without your background don't.

Basically the synthetics fully stimulate the cannbinoid receptors in the brain - and instantly.

Cannabis and its extracts only partially stimulate them, and it takes time for the effects to be felt.

Please, everyone - do not EVER fuck with the synthetics. They are dangerous as fuck and one of the hardest things in the world to kick.
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Old 11-15-2013, 05:17 AM #23
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I can also speak from some level of experience. I grow organically with no pesticides including aza. Recently I've been running low so I went to the local dispensary to re supply. After dealing with stomach cramps for a few days I decided to go back to using my own meds and the symptoms immediately disappeared. I use a vaporizer for carefully titrated doses, so over consumption couldn't be a possibility.

I've never used synthetic cannabinoids, so can't offer any input in that area. Although I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, maybe it's possible that Azadirachtin is being used in the manufacturing process to make cannabis appear harmful. You never know these days.
Is it possible that azadirachtin products are being used to grow the herbs that the spice chems are being sprayed on?

Really... 'cause the number of growers ingesting huge amounts of cannabis has been pretty large in Cali for almost 2 decades and only in the last decade have we seen Hyperemesis becoming an issue.

Considering that these doctors don't know anything about pesticides and that the 'cannabis' of these heavy users is not being tested... (for pesticide or cannabinoid profiles) I'd say there's still a huge question mark out there.

The facts are that it's definitely happening... and when you slip into a hot bath and have that massive tension and pain ease off... you really know you're in a world of hurt.

I'm betting that if it is indeed strictly cannabinoid related (and that azadirachtin just happens to create 'similar' issues) that there's going to be a link between almost no CBD in the cannabis being used by all these folks.

Time will tell.

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Cannabinoids are causing cannabinoid hypermemis period.

There is no neem sprayed on synthetic cannabinoids. I used to smoke them PURE, just like dabs. No base plant material, pure chem.

I ordered it directly form the chemical supply house, at 99.5%+ purity.

Should I post pictures of the bags of chem to prove it?

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Jeez people - stop looking at weed with rose-colored glasses.
Sure, it has many beneficial properties.

But chronic abuse can cause major health issues.

Just because you don't experience it, doesn't mean other don't.

If someone with a bee allergy complains about getting sick and needing help after getting stung, I don't say "it's all in your mind" because I don't have the same allergy.
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There probably is such a thing, lotsa people have problems with alchohol etc but a "serious burden to the healthcare system"? Gimme a break. Reefer madness. Republican brainwashing.
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Cannabinoids are causing cannabinoid hypermemis period.

There is no neem sprayed on synthetic cannabinoids. I used to smoke them PURE, just like dabs. No base plant material, pure chem.

I ordered it directly form the chemical supply house, at 99.5%+ purity.

Should I post pictures of the bags of chem to prove it?
That's interesting...

So I'm going to stick with my theory that it's the HUGE amounts of THC and/or THC 'like' compounds... WITHOUT CBD... that are causing the issue.

I'm looking forward to what happens when someone having this issue is given a massive dose of CBD. I'm guessing it'll reverse the effects.

Nice to know that the Azadirachtin issue is just similar. Just as big of a problem (maybe bigger) but not the same.

Prohibition for $800 Bob...

The aza problem is a direct result of prohibition and so is the problem of cannabis strains with almost no CBD in them.

You watch... balanced cannabinoid profiles are going to turn out to be the healthiest choice for people in the long run. I'm actually kinda waiting for these people treating their kids with 24% CBD and almost no THC strains to also experience some weird issues with their kids.

Nature is about balance... you push things too far in one direction and she will slap you silly with a crowbar.

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Cannabinoids are causing cannabinoid hypermemis period.

There is no neem sprayed on synthetic cannabinoids. I used to smoke them PURE, just like dabs. No base plant material, pure chem.

I ordered it directly form the chemical supply house, at 99.5%+ purity.

Should I post pictures of the bags of chem to prove it?

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Jeez people - stop looking at weed with rose-colored glasses.
Sure, it has many beneficial properties.

But chronic abuse can cause major health issues.

Just because you don't experience it, doesn't mean other don't.

If someone with a bee allergy complains about getting sick and needing help after getting stung, I don't say "it's all in your mind" because I don't have the same allergy.
Sorry I didn't mean to pull the conspiracy card, I just thought it was strange that the both symptoms are so similar.
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Cannabinoids are causing cannabinoid hypermemis period.

There is no neem sprayed on synthetic cannabinoids. I used to smoke them PURE, just like dabs. No base plant material, pure chem.

I ordered it directly form the chemical supply house, at 99.5%+ purity.

Should I post pictures of the bags of chem to prove it?

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Jeez people - stop looking at weed with rose-colored glasses.
Sure, it has many beneficial properties.

But chronic abuse can cause major health issues.

Just because you don't experience it, doesn't mean other don't.

If someone with a bee allergy complains about getting sick and needing help after getting stung, I don't say "it's all in your mind" because I don't have the same allergy.
Just lost cred there........pure chem huh......spicehead.
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Im going with some fert. Or aza as being the culprit. As i only burn my own herb an when in a blue moon i get a dispo 1/8 its 8 outta 10 times im gettn sick from it. Imho.
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my garden is 100% organic, and I don't use neem or its extracts. I almost exclusively smoke my meds. I sometimes have CH.

Saying that cannabis can't lead to hyperemesis because you don't think so is like me saying I don't think arthritis exists, I just needed a piece of my shoulder cut out because it got really sore.... Lol

Its chemistry and physiology.
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